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Urban Meyer on Miami Job

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PanamaCityCanes said:
Georgia's roster has 88 kids from Georgia and 42 kids from other states right now. But you're trying to make the point that Georgia talent isn't going to Georgia? You're not an investigative reporter, apparently.
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So, Georgia has 130 on roster? That includes maybe 45 walk-ons? Walk-ons are most likely to be from instate because of tuition which walk-ons have to pay out-of-pocket.
 
Kyle Liburd said:
Urban talked about UGA, USC, etc. being better jobs because of their in state talent. If the talent isn't going to UGA, then his point does not make much sense. I know Georgia has good football players. But UGA offers more Florida players than Georgia players because Florida has more talent than any other state. Georgia gave out 64 Florida offers compared to 31 Georgia offers this cycle
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That is bad math.

you may offer more OOS kids for a bunch of reasons, but three obvious ones are that (a) they're not going to commit quickly, so the offer is a placeholder; (b) your likely win % on getting commitments will be much lower, so it’s a numbers game; and (c) if you take a commitment and change your mind later, the consequences of backing off are lower.
 
Ethnicsands said:
Help me understand what point you’re making here, and how it is responsive to his comments.
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It’s pretty simple. Florida teams have won 11 titles in the past 36 years, including titles in each of the last four decades. No other state is close. There is a reason. Florida produces the best players.

Meyer’s comment suggests it is hard to win with Florida players because they are less developed. Every piece of evidence over the past four decades says otherwise, including two of the titles on Urban’s resume.

Nobody disputes Florida high school coaches are less skilled/paid than their counterparts. We are talking about players. The players that NFL execs get paid a lot of money to draft every year.
 
WhatTheHell said:
"The Florida kids are really raw and tough to win with."

*Cut to this scene but it's Dabo, Saban, Kirby, Urban, Oregeron and all college coaches fighting to be the first in Dade and Broward every recruiting cycle.*

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They have the dudes (and budget) to coach them though. If we’re not willing to spend on a quality staff then we’ll never be able to develop properly.
 
This is somewhat correct and somewhat incorrect. He's incorrect when discussing the speed positions. If I am looking for WRs or RBs, Florida talent is the best in America. Why? because, in the words of Jimmy Johnson, you can't teach speed. Where Urban is correct is when you go to recruit non-speed based positions that call for more mental processing, fundamentals, and technique: OL, DT, LB, QB, TE, and to a certain extent, CB (although Florida speed is certainly helpful in this position), Florida athletes tend to struggle, of course there are exceptions to every rule (Bridgewater, Lamar Jackson, and Patrick Peterson). That said, listening to him was insightful as devout follower of the program in terms of how elite coaches see Miami and why we had to take pu$$ies like Manny, Golden, and Shannon here as opposed to attracting big time coaches. Once Manny craps the bed next year (and he will) this program has to show it is committed to excellence by paying top dollar for elite coaching. You need coaches that can get the talent and can also develop and maximize the potential of their athletes.
 
Awsi Dooger said:
You could tell Meyer wanted more advanced kids when Ohio State started recruiting Bishop Gorman heavily. That is probably the most advanced high school program in the country. The Buckeyes got the jump. Ohio State stuck their receivers coach and ace recruiter on the Bishop Gorman beat. I doubt it's much of a coincidence that our best true freshman recently was from Bishop Gorman

Las Vegas is not fixated on national titles. That is one huge difference between when I talked sports there as opposed to online forums or fan conversation in general elsewhere. I guess the people who operate out of that city see thousands of games per year in all sports combined, so there is greater understanding of the random nature.
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You guys will say anything. Ohio State has TWO Bishop Gorman enrollees this DECADE: Haskell Garrett and Tate Martell. They have four STA enrollees this decade. How much more advanced is Haskell Garrett that he only has 19 tackles in his past two seasons? We have more Bishop Gorman kids than they do. One could argue the two Bosa brothers were the most impactful players for OSU this decade. From 2010-2018 OSU's Florida haul included south Florida standouts Joey Bosa, Nick Bosa, Johnnie Dixon, James Louis, Torrance Gibson, Trevon Grimes, Damon Arnette, and plenty of Florida kids like Nicholas Petit-Frere, James Clark, Shaun Wade, Brian Snead and a few IMG kids. Urban is doing what he always does: saying one thing and doing the complete opposite.

The icing on the cake of your post is assuming because they aren't fixated on national titles they are developing better players.

STA players in college > Bishop Gorman players in college
STA players in the NFL > Bishop Gorman players in the NFL

Dudes will talk about anything except the results to shade south Florida and Florida players. South Florida had 5 first rounders in 2019 that included a mix of public (Baker, Bush) and private school players (Burns, Bosa, and Brown's last 2 years). What they lack in "discipline" they make up for in toughness, playmaking, motor, and everything else 100x over. And it's impossible to suggest that their toughness doesn't come from the pressure the coaches put on them since Optimist. I'll take the "undisciplined" players who are tough as nails and want to win over the maxed out Haskell Garrett's every day of the week.
 
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DMoney said:
It’s pretty simple. Florida teams have won 11 titles in the past 36 years, including titles in each of the last four decades. No other state is close. There is a reason. Florida produces the best players.

Meyer’s comment suggests it is hard to win with Florida players because they are less developed. Every piece of evidence over the past four decades says otherwise, including two of the titles on Urban’s resume.

Nobody disputes Florida high school coaches are less skilled/paid than their counterparts. We are talking about players. The players that NFL execs get paid a lot of money to draft every year.
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Man you are difficult to discuss UM football with because you force everything through your narrative filter. He didn’t even say all you project on him. And there is nothing inconsistent about Florida BOTH producing great players and those players being relatively poorly coached in HS.

Best or not best is a function of how you define it. LA and AL do just fine on a per capita basis.

The real challenge is what Texas highlights. Texas produces plenty of talent, and they have great facilities. So why don’t they win? Probably two things, in addition to general coaching. Culture, and math. They have their pick of too big a pool too early on, and as a result have never prioritized or gotten good at evaluations. And relatedly, their culture isn’t conducive to winning and they have never been able to fix it. They take the best TX kids as rising juniors. Too early. Too entitled. No bueno.

It’s evals and culture at UM, too. I have been yelling at the sky about evals since Coker. But Meyer has a point on skill and culture. You guys all take a few comments and try to turn it into a your view vs his view debate. Nothing he said should be remotely surprising. We have evaluated very poorly for a long while. Our program was built (and rebuilt) by guys whose eval skills were unparalleled. You consistently say you think it’s easy to win at Miami if a coach is just okay. And so you are consistently surprised by our dismal results.

Meanwhile, the world ain’t waiting for us to get our act together. And life ain’t fair. Alabama’s support resources dwarf ours. You don’t think that matters?
 
DMoney said:
It’s pretty simple. Florida teams have won 11 titles in the past 36 years, including titles in each of the last four decades. No other state is close. There is a reason. Florida produces the best players.

Meyer’s comment suggests it is hard to win with Florida players because they are less developed. Every piece of evidence over the past four decades says otherwise, including two of the titles on Urban’s resume.

Nobody disputes Florida high school coaches are less skilled/paid than their counterparts. We are talking about players. The players that NFL execs get paid a lot of money to draft every year.
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is it really hard to understand that he’s not saying that the players down here aren’t talented. He’s saying they are normally more raw, and need more time to develop and coached up compared to some other areas. Not one time did he say that south Florida isn’t Uber talented. Yes it’s a handful of players every year that walk on the field and are ready to play from day 1. But most kids need to be developed and we have sucked at that.
 
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Ethnicsands said:
Man you are difficult to discuss UM football with because you force everything through your narrative filter. He didn’t even say all you project on him. And there is nothing inconsistent about Florida BOTH producing great players and those players being relatively poorly coached in HS.

Best or not best is a function of how you define it. LA and AL do just fine on a per capita basis.

The real challenge is what Texas highlights. Texas produces plenty of talent, and they have great facilities. So why don’t they win? Probably two things, in addition to general coaching. Culture, and math. They have their pick of too big a pool too early on, and as a result have never prioritized or gotten good at evaluations. And relatedly, their culture isn’t conducive to winning and they have never been able to fix it. They take the best TX kids as rising juniors. Too early. Too entitled. No bueno.

It’s evals and culture at UM, too. I have been yelling at the sky about evals since Coker. But Meyer has a point on skill and culture. You guys all take a few comments and try to turn it into a your view vs his view debate. Nothing he said should be remotely surprising. We have evaluated very poorly for a long while. Our program was built (and rebuilt) by guys whose eval skills were unparalleled. You consistently say you think it’s easy to win at Miami if a coach is just okay. And so you are consistently surprised by our dismal results.

Meanwhile, the world ain’t waiting for us to get our act together. And life ain’t fair. Alabama’s support resources dwarf ours. You don’t think that matters?
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i agree. He’s in love with Florida players and feel it’s no discrepancies. Never mind a coach who got millions to coach and recruit down here said it.
 
Meyer is FOS. Miami, FSU and UF are keeping less players in state. Especially the ELITE top 15-20 players. That has been the main issue. There’s a report out on this. More elite FL players overall are heading out of state. That’s the issue.

Why? Because the product has sucked. If all three schools were playing elite ball, the players would stay, and the “job” would ultimately be as appealing as ever due to the wins.

IF Pete Carrol were to step foot in Coral Gables today, hire a staff like he did initially at USC, he would CRUSH the world. The product would drive demand.

The job hasn’t changed. Our coaches just haven’t been as good as Jimmy J or Pete Carrol. When Pete was at USC, he was crushing the SEC. The only thing that has changed is the coaching.
 
Or suck the guys **** who basically said Al had a better job at Temple - because he simply doesn’t care for Miami.
 
Noliaboi said:
is it really hard to understand that he’s not saying that the players down here aren’t talented. He’s saying they are normally more raw, and need more time to develop and coached up compared to some other areas. Not one time did he say that south Florida isn’t Uber talented. Yes it’s a handful of players every year that walk on the field and are ready to play from day 1. But most kids need to be developed and we have sucked at that.
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Given D$’s focus on coaching (and yes, our coaching has been terrible), youd think he would agree with meyer. If local kids are relatively less coached up before getting here, then bad coaching at UM would be a real isse. And it has been!
 
MrMachete said:
Meyer is FOS. Miami, FSU and UF are keeping less players in state. Especially the ELITE top 15-20 players. That has been the main issue. There’s a report out on this. More elite FL players overall are heading out of state. That’s the issue.

Why? Because the product has sucked. If all three schools were playing elite ball, the players would stay, and the “job” would ultimately be as appealing as ever due to the wins.

IF Pete Carrol were to step foot in Coral Gables today, hire a staff like he did initially at USC, he would CRUSH the world. The product would drive demand.

The job hasn’t changed. Our coaches just haven’t been as good as Jimmy J or Pete Carrol. When Pete was at USC, he was crushing the SEC. The only thing that has changed is the coaching.
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Jimmy J and Pete C are two of the best coaches in their generation. If we are waiting for them to come around again, it gone be a while.
 
PanamaCityCanes said:
False narrative. This isn't 1998 anymore. The top teams aren't spending all that much time in south Florida.
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Couldn‘t be more wrong. The state is being raided more than it ever has. Fact. Especially the top FL players.
 
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Ethnicsands said:
Jimmy J and Pete C are two of the best coaches in their generation. If we are waiting for them to come around again, it gone be a while.
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Just an example. The Miami Hurricanes and the USC Trojans have both produced NC winning coaches, SUPER BOWL winning coaches, and players to compliment all of the above.

What other “Great Job” has done that? We’ve won 5 ships with 4 different coaches. One was a first time HC by the name of Larry Coker. The Miami job is a great job. BEST back yard in the country. We just need the right coach.
 
nuprin said:
Correct, I didn’t want to get into all that lol. It’s not the first time he’s left either. He left to coach Valdosta back in the early 2000’s as well. It’s funny they are in the championship game this year tho...
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Could you please change your custom title beneath your username to, "Little, Yellow, Different"
 
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