University School vs Homestead Game Thread (11AM ESPNU)

[fincane]

I used Coley as an example of being a killer. Two different things. I've seen nothing from TODAY'S game that shows Ermon Lane comes close to that mindset.

No one is saying he isn't talented, though he doesn't pop in and out of his cuts to the level he was billed. He's not this other-wordly talent that stands 3 cuts above the competition. That doesn't mean he won't do very well in college. It means I think you and Pete fell in love with this guy too early.

Check back with me in three years. I still believe he will be an absolute star in college.

Homestead can't get him the ball because the OL is overmatched. If he switched uniforms (or commitments), we'd all be singing a different tune. I agree that he's not elite in-and-out of his breaks. That's his biggest weakness and the reason why Stacey Coley is the better player. But he is phenomenal at everything else and has proven it over the course of his career.

You keep talking about the rest of his team but the other two WRs have made big plays with the same OL protecting the QB. He isn't having a good day. He appears disinterested. If he was a Miami commit, I'd want him pulled so he would stop making the school look bad.

 

[passitback]

Lane doesn't look very impressive today, doesn't jump off the screen at you.

Waters looked better at this stage of their career, and is also rumored to be the better player of the two.

Shhhhhhh.

 

[DMoney]

This. After watching many of these prospects play, it only reinforces my thoughts of "Thank God Ariz and the rest of the Canesinsight reporting staff arent Canes coaches. Trust our coaching staff and their evals...not these information collectors.

Like when our staff was wishy-washy on Amari Cooper?

Don't trust them and don't trust me. Trust your own eyes.

 

[LuCane]

I used Coley as an example of being a killer. Two different things. I've seen nothing from TODAY'S game that shows Ermon Lane comes close to that mindset.

No one is saying he isn't talented, though he doesn't pop in and out of his cuts to the level he was billed. He's not this other-wordly talent that stands 3 cuts above the competition. That doesn't mean he won't do very well in college. It means I think you and Pete fell in love with this guy too early.

Check back with me in three years. I still believe he will be an absolute star in college.

Homestead can't get him the ball because the OL is overmatched. If he switched uniforms (or commitments), we'd all be singing a different tune. I agree that he's not elite in-and-out of his breaks. That's his biggest weakness and the reason why Stacey Coley is the better player. But he is phenomenal at everything else and has proven it over the course of his career.

I won't need to check back with you at all because I haven't said he isn't talented or that he won't be a "star." You guys billed him as this superhuman talent. Based on previous reviews, I was straight up expecting something different.

 

[Plzwork4]

I used Coley as an example of being a killer. Two different things. I've seen nothing from TODAY'S game that shows Ermon Lane comes close to that mindset.

No one is saying he isn't talented, though he doesn't pop in and out of his cuts to the level he was billed. He's not this other-wordly talent that stands 3 cuts above the competition. That doesn't mean he won't do very well in college. It means I think you and Pete fell in love with this guy too early.

Check back with me in three years. I still believe he will be an absolute star in college.

Homestead can't get him the ball because the OL is overmatched. If he switched uniforms (or commitments), we'd all be singing a different tune. I agree that he's not elite in-and-out of his breaks. That's his biggest weakness and the reason why Stacey Coley is the better player. But he is phenomenal at everything else and has proven it over the course of his career.

Ive seen him 3 times now and he hasn't shown me he is elite by any means...Twice was before he committed to UF.

I wont be upset if he sticks with them.

 

[motorcitycane]

An elite player, ranked second at his position in the country, should easily dominate in this game. Lane has done anything but dominate. He just strikes me as a major project from a mental standpoint. This guy may be talented, but he's far from a huge loss. I'd rather have Dixon, Langham, or Rudolph.

But did Dixon dominate yesterday against central? No because of multiple factors. Same thing lane is dealing with today. Your reasoning doesn't hold true. It's one thing to think the latter are better prospects, another thing to have faulty reasoning.

While Dixon didn't dominate he did flash the ability by abusing Deatrick repeatedly. What ability has Lane shown you today except the play where he burned Quincy Wilson and was over thrown. I'm never going to judge a player off of 1 game but Dixon made you take notice of him yesterday. I'll re-evaluate all of our commits and targets after their respective seasons.

Right now I'm trusting the staff. Yeah Lane and Scarlett haven't had great games but that doesn't mean they won't over the course of the season. They just haven't been impressive TODAY. Also speaking of commits I read our boy Gray balled out Friday Night for Carol City. Also read that he didn't start the first half due to some academic issues from the herald.

 

[cane33]

I used Coley as an example of being a killer. Two different things. I've seen nothing from TODAY'S game that shows Ermon Lane comes close to that mindset.

No one is saying he isn't talented, though he doesn't pop in and out of his cuts to the level he was billed. He's not this other-wordly talent that stands 3 cuts above the competition. That doesn't mean he won't do very well in college. It means I think you and Pete fell in love with this guy too early.

Check back with me in three years. I still believe he will be an absolute star in college.

Homestead can't get him the ball because the OL is overmatched. If he switched uniforms (or commitments), we'd all be singing a different tune. I agree that he's not elite in-and-out of his breaks. That's his biggest weakness and the reason why Stacey Coley is the better player. But he is phenomenal at everything else and has proven it over the course of his career.

The other WRs on his team are doing just fine. QB is on pace to throw for 300.

So there are two possibilities here....either he's hurt/taking the day off, or Quincy Wilson just has him locked down.

 

[2Focusd804]

An elite player, ranked second at his position in the country, should easily dominate in this game. Lane has done anything but dominate. He just strikes me as a major project from a mental standpoint. This guy may be talented, but he's far from a huge loss. I'd rather have Dixon, Langham, or Rudolph.

But did Dixon dominate yesterday against central? No because of multiple factors. Same thing lane is dealing with today. Your reasoning doesn't hold true. It's one thing to think the latter are better prospects, another thing to have faulty reasoning.

Not true with Dixon, he didn't dominate stats wise but he was beating dudes every play. caused holding and PI calls and was wide open even with QB not throwing the ball anywhere around him

 

[can4life]

I'm glade this game is on nat TV now Miami fans could shut up about lane and move on just like the staff has... And I don't think lane teammates like him to much that's the vibe I'm getting

 

[blackvern]

Agreed I remember LUke said he was the best WR ever out of Dade...WHen I saw him.. I didnt see it...doesnt mean he wont be great in colelge

 

[dycane]

I predict White does not end up at Auburn. Guy is an ok high school QB, nothing more. Auburn bit on the 7-on-7 bs.

 

[DMoney]

I used Coley as an example of being a killer. Two different things. I've seen nothing from TODAY'S game that shows Ermon Lane comes close to that mindset.

No one is saying he isn't talented, though he doesn't pop in and out of his cuts to the level he was billed. He's not this other-wordly talent that stands 3 cuts above the competition. That doesn't mean he won't do very well in college. It means I think you and Pete fell in love with this guy too early.

Check back with me in three years. I still believe he will be an absolute star in college.

Homestead can't get him the ball because the OL is overmatched. If he switched uniforms (or commitments), we'd all be singing a different tune. I agree that he's not elite in-and-out of his breaks. That's his biggest weakness and the reason why Stacey Coley is the better player. But he is phenomenal at everything else and has proven it over the course of his career.

I won't need to check back with you at all because I haven't said he isn't talented or that he won't be a "star." You guys billed him as this superhuman talent. Based on previous reviews, I was straight up expecting something different.

So Lane can turn out to be a star and we still fell in love with him too early? That's moving the goalpost to Antartica.

I billed him as the fourth best player in South Florida on the thread that is stickied to the top. Let's see if he lives up to that billing. After his ridiculous sophomore film and performance against Northwestern, I thought he had a chance to be the best player in the state. I've since downgraded him a little the more I have watched him, as you can see by that ranking. But I have no doubt that he will be a star if he stays healthy.

 

[skyman]

I used Coley as an example of being a killer. Two different things. I've seen nothing from TODAY'S game that shows Ermon Lane comes close to that mindset.

No one is saying he isn't talented, though he doesn't pop in and out of his cuts to the level he was billed. He's not this other-wordly talent that stands 3 cuts above the competition. That doesn't mean he won't do very well in college. It means I think you and Pete fell in love with this guy too early.

Check back with me in three years. I still believe he will be an absolute star in college.

Homestead can't get him the ball because the OL is overmatched. If he switched uniforms (or commitments), we'd all be singing a different tune. I agree that he's not elite in-and-out of his breaks. That's his biggest weakness and the reason why Stacey Coley is the better player. But he is phenomenal at everything else and has proven it over the course of his career.

I won't need to check back with you at all because I haven't said he isn't talented or that he won't be a "star." You guys billed him as this superhuman talent. Based on previous reviews, I was straight up expecting something different.

Thats a GREAT out. LOL.

 

[bransuperpower]

Ermon Lane is talented. He's the type who needs to be in the right culture, though. If he wants to make the big money later on, he has to grow as a player physically and be pushed mentally (behavior). It's actually in his best interest to go to a structured environment like Miami or Alabama. There are guys, like Stacy Coley or Artie Burns, who seem to be natural born killers. There are other guys who need to be in the right environment in order to max out their talent.

Strongly disagree. You used Stacy Coley as an example, but Coley's antics were 100X worse in high school. He often lashed out at his own team and took plays off out of frustration.

I left today's game at halftime and missed a chunk of the third, but I've seen Lane play a ton and he is a competitor. Unlike many receivers, he plays the entire game (WR, defense, ST) and does so willingly.

What you saw today is what he deals with every Friday. He doesn't need to be pushed, he just needs some help around him. When he goes to college and only needs to worry about doing his own job, his talent will show.

I used Coley as an example of being a killer. Two different things. I've seen nothing from TODAY'S game that shows Ermon Lane comes close to that mindset.

No one is saying he isn't talented, though he doesn't pop in and out of his cuts to the level he was billed. He's not this other-wordly talent that stands 3 cuts above the competition. That doesn't mean he won't do very well in college. It means I think you and Pete fell in love with this guy too early - at least based on last year's reviews of this superhuman talent.

This. After watching many of these prospects play, it only reinforces my thoughts of "Thank God Ariz and the rest of the Canesinsight reporting staff arent Canes coaches. Trust our coaching staff and their evals...not these information collectors.

dude this a free board with just as much info as the people who pay for it, and AL isnt perfect either so your point isnt made he hasnt proven any of his evaluation to be correct all he had was the 2012 class so if i was you i wouldnt be quick to diss

 

[Plzwork4]

This. After watching many of these prospects play, it only reinforces my thoughts of "Thank God Ariz and the rest of the Canesinsight reporting staff arent Canes coaches. Trust our coaching staff and their evals...not these information collectors.

Amari was offered by the staff. I never heard about them being wishy washy...could be wrong tho. Everyone misses at times. And honestly D, you are typically spot on with your evals for the most part IMO. I just think you pumped Lane up a little more than he shouldve been for whatever reason. Im sure he looked sick in the games that you saw him.

I honestly would be concerned if we would be in a situation where we would have to put all our eggs in the Lane basket.
Like when our staff was wishy-washy on Amari Cooper?

Don't trust them and don't trust me. Trust your own eyes.

From what I remember, the staff absolutely wanted Cooper. I could be wrong though...and everyone misses. To be honest D, you are correct far more often than wrong. I just think that you pumped Lane up a little more than he needed to be for whatever reason. I'm sure the times that you saw him he was amazing.

I would be very concerned if the staff was in a situation where they had to put all their eggs in the Lane basket.

 

[dycane]

wow now lane is a project lmao come on you cant be serious

I said he's a project upstairs. He's aloof. His conditioning seems suspect. His route running leaves a lot to be desired. He's talking sh*t when his team is struggling to stay in the game. All that relates to his head/heart, not his natural physical skills, which are undeniable. Fact is, many on this board have said Lane is the best SoFla WR prospect since AJ. That's laughable.

 

[User-4525]

An elite player, ranked second at his position in the country, should easily dominate in this game. Lane has done anything but dominate. He just strikes me as a major project from a mental standpoint. This guy may be talented, but he's far from a huge loss. I'd rather have Dixon, Langham, or Rudolph.

But did Dixon dominate yesterday against central? No because of multiple factors. Same thing lane is dealing with today. Your reasoning doesn't hold true. It's one thing to think the latter are better prospects, another thing to have faulty reasoning.

While Dixon didn't dominate he did flash the ability by abusing Deatrick repeatedly. What ability has Lane shown you today except the play where he burned Quincy Wilson and was over thrown. I'm never going to judge a player off of 1 game but Dixon made you take notice of him yesterday. I'll re-evaluate all of our commits and targets after their respective seasons.

Right now I'm trusting the staff. Yeah Lane and Scarlett haven't had great games but that doesn't mean they won't over the course of the season. They just haven't been impressive TODAY. Also speaking of commits I read our boy Gray balled out Friday Night for Carol City. Also read that he didn't start the first half due to some academic issues from the herald.

Bold contradicts itself, & I agree with italicized/underlined

 

[motorcitycane]

Isn't Univerisity School supposed to be really good?

Not very impressed at all.

They are the No.24 ranked HS team in the Nation.

 

[String911]

When was this 10.6 100 that Scarlett ran? Man, that kid is muscled. What kind of nutrition and weight program do that have at U School? A lot of these kids are very developed physically.

 

[Plzwork4]

Ermon Lane is talented. He's the type who needs to be in the right culture, though. If he wants to make the big money later on, he has to grow as a player physically and be pushed mentally (behavior). It's actually in his best interest to go to a structured environment like Miami or Alabama. There are guys, like Stacy Coley or Artie Burns, who seem to be natural born killers. There are other guys who need to be in the right environment in order to max out their talent.

Strongly disagree. You used Stacy Coley as an example, but Coley's antics were 100X worse in high school. He often lashed out at his own team and took plays off out of frustration.

I left today's game at halftime and missed a chunk of the third, but I've seen Lane play a ton and he is a competitor. Unlike many receivers, he plays the entire game (WR, defense, ST) and does so willingly.

What you saw today is what he deals with every Friday. He doesn't need to be pushed, he just needs some help around him. When he goes to college and only needs to worry about doing his own job, his talent will show.

I used Coley as an example of being a killer. Two different things. I've seen nothing from TODAY'S game that shows Ermon Lane comes close to that mindset.

No one is saying he isn't talented, though he doesn't pop in and out of his cuts to the level he was billed. He's not this other-wordly talent that stands 3 cuts above the competition. That doesn't mean he won't do very well in college. It means I think you and Pete fell in love with this guy too early - at least based on last year's reviews of this superhuman talent.

This. After watching many of these prospects play, it only reinforces my thoughts of "Thank God Ariz and the rest of the Canesinsight reporting staff arent Canes coaches. Trust our coaching staff and their evals...not these information collectors.

dude this a free board with just as much info as the people who pay for it, and AL isnt perfect either so your point isnt made he hasnt proven any of his evaluation to be correct all he had was the 2012 class so if i was you i wouldnt be quick to diss

Oh my bad, I forgot that they were above criticism.

After re-reading my initial post, it was a bit too harsh. I do value the CI staff's opinions...and I absolutely love D's rankings at the top. No one else puts in that kind of work.

One thing that has been rubbing me the wrong way, and probably the reason why I came out so harsh, is Ariz's biases toward certain players and coaches. That has started to get to me a bit.