UM's New DC Manny Diaz Talking Past Defenses

[CanesAreAble]

At 1:06:23 in the Arky game is why the whole TFL thing is absurd. So they stop Collins on 2 and 5 for a loss. Put one more in the TFL column.

But then on third down they give up a 20 yard pass to a wide open TE, en route to another TD. On that play, Manny brings his "signature" zone blitz, with the LBs spot dropping underneath, and they allow the TE to complete the play as they stand around staring at the QB covering grass. This is what he is best known for, and in 2015 it no longer works.

What do tackles for loss matter if you even them out by giving up wide open completions the very next play? In the end, they gave up nearly 500 yards of offense and 50 points to a lower end SEC squad. But the TFL will look good!

Are you giving any consideration to MSU being a lower end SEC squad? They're probably the worst program in a loaded SEC West, and a bottom 5 SEC program overall.

 

[FullyERicht]

At 1:06:23 in the Arky game is why the whole TFL thing is absurd. So they stop Collins on 2 and 5 for a loss. Put one more in the TFL column.

But then on third down they give up a 20 yard pass to a wide open TE, en route to another TD. On that play, Manny brings his "signature" zone blitz, with the LBs spot dropping underneath, and they allow the TE to complete the play as they stand around staring at the QB covering grass. This is what he is best known for, and in 2015 it no longer works.

What do tackles for loss matter if you even them out by giving up wide open completions the very next play? In the end, they gave up nearly 500 yards of offense and 50 points to a lower end SEC squad. But the TFL will look good!

Are you giving any consideration to MSU being a lower end SEC squad? They're probably the worst program in a loaded SEC West, and a bottom 5 SEC program overall.

And Arkansas is what, Alabama? These teams have been about equal record wise recently. Did you watch the film at all? Can you explain the gaping holes in his zone defense that seem to be a theme in every game?

Let's talk about the film, what you see here. What exactly about these performances is screaming good DC to you?

 

[FullyERicht]

I'd like to hear an actual schematic breakdown by the slurpers of his defense outside of hearing from a press release the word "aggressive" and the numbers "4-3".

 

[CanesAreAble]

And Arkansas is what, Alabama? These teams have been about equal record wise recently. Did you watch the film at all? Can you explain the gaping holes in his zone defense that seem to be a theme in every game?

Let's talk about the film, what you see here. What exactly about these performances is screaming good DC to you?

Yes, I watched all of MSU's defensive snaps in that game. It wasn't good. **** happens. You can cherry-pick bad games from every coordinator.

I have no idea if Diaz will work out at Miami, but I'm trying to project how his defense will look with better talent. If he has better cover corners, maybe he'll play more cover 1. If he has defensive linemen that can consistently get pressure, maybe he'll gamble less. He's relatively young, so maybe he'll continue to grow as a coach.

I'm in wait-and-see mode.

Bottom line is we need to recruit some dudes on defense.

 

[407cane]

At 1:06:23 in the Arky game is why the whole TFL thing is absurd. So they stop Collins on 2 and 5 for a loss. Put one more in the TFL column.

But then on third down they give up a 20 yard pass to a wide open TE, en route to another TD. On that play, Manny brings his "signature" zone blitz, with the LBs spot dropping underneath, and they allow the TE to complete the play as they stand around staring at the QB covering grass. This is what he is best known for, and in 2015 it no longer works.

What do tackles for loss matter if you even them out by giving up wide open completions the very next play? In the end, they gave up nearly 500 yards of offense and 50 points to a lower end SEC squad. But the TFL will look good!

Are you giving any consideration to MSU being a lower end SEC squad? They're probably the worst program in a loaded SEC West, and a bottom 5 SEC program overall.

he's been picking specific plays and making broad assumptions on them all week. No mention that his main point here (discrediting TFL and giving up the 20 yard pass) is inconsistent with Mississippi State being the best team in the nation in stopping pass plays of 20 yards or more

 

[FullyERicht]

And Arkansas is what, Alabama? These teams have been about equal record wise recently. Did you watch the film at all? Can you explain the gaping holes in his zone defense that seem to be a theme in every game?

Let's talk about the film, what you see here. What exactly about these performances is screaming good DC to you?

Yes, I watched all of MSU's defensive snaps in that game. It wasn't good. **** happens. You can cherry-pick bad games from every coordinator.

I have no idea if Diaz will work out at Miami, but I'm trying to project how his defense will look with better talent. If he has better cover corners, maybe he'll play more cover 1. If he has defensive linemen that can consistently get pressure, maybe he'll gamble less. He's relatively young, so maybe he'll continue to grow as a coach.

I'm in wait-and-see mode.

Bottom line is we need to recruit some dudes on defense.

It's every game versus a good passing offense bro. It wasn't just Arky. Watch any game of his as a DC over the years against a competent passing team and he can't stop them. You are acting like it's one game when it's a large body of work.

Not sure you really understand how coaching schemes works. It's like the folks who thought "if Al played 4-3 and pressed more he'd be fine".

This is his system, his belief system. He is a zone defense coach. His entire blitzing ****nal is based off of that. He doesn't play cover 1. It's why he and his DB coach battled b/c the DB coach felt they should play more man, an Diaz was adamantly opposed.

It's like if we hired Paul Johnson and said "well he's gonna run a west coast offense with us".

 

[FullyERicht]

At 1:06:23 in the Arky game is why the whole TFL thing is absurd. So they stop Collins on 2 and 5 for a loss. Put one more in the TFL column.

But then on third down they give up a 20 yard pass to a wide open TE, en route to another TD. On that play, Manny brings his "signature" zone blitz, with the LBs spot dropping underneath, and they allow the TE to complete the play as they stand around staring at the QB covering grass. This is what he is best known for, and in 2015 it no longer works.

What do tackles for loss matter if you even them out by giving up wide open completions the very next play? In the end, they gave up nearly 500 yards of offense and 50 points to a lower end SEC squad. But the TFL will look good!

Are you giving any consideration to MSU being a lower end SEC squad? They're probably the worst program in a loaded SEC West, and a bottom 5 SEC program overall.

he's been picking specific plays and making broad assumptions on them all week. No mention that his main point here (discrediting TFL and giving up the 20 yard pass) is inconsistent with Mississippi State being the best team in the nation in stopping pass plays of 20 yards or more

It's actually b/c they are identical to D'Ono in that they play soft zone and get bled to death slow down the field. Watch the films. Tell me what you are seeing isn't a zone defense getting picked apart by every competent passer they face.

 

[The Franchise]

1:08 in the arky game, more of the wide open, soft zone we all know and love, for a massive easy completion. He also had a wide open flat route for an easy first down. This coverage is identical to Doritos, getting slowly bled all the way down the field. Watch the film and tell me it isn't. Guys running wide open all over the field. It's every game, every opponent. This is why the B12 ate him alive, not some fabricated nonsense about his DBs coach revolting. If anything, the DB coach revolted bc he couldn't stand seeing his players sit around covering grass all game.

Getting eaten alive between the 20s certainly explains why MSU's TOP was so bad. Diaz's defense spent a ton of time on the field because they gave up a lot of long drives.

 

[The Franchise]

At 1:06:23 in the Arky game is why the whole TFL thing is absurd. So they stop Collins on 2 and 5 for a loss. Put one more in the TFL column.

But then on third down they give up a 20 yard pass to a wide open TE, en route to another TD. On that play, Manny brings his "signature" zone blitz, with the LBs spot dropping underneath, and they allow the TE to complete the play as they stand around staring at the QB covering grass. This is what he is best known for, and in 2015 it no longer works.

What do tackles for loss matter if you even them out by giving up wide open completions the very next play? In the end, they gave up nearly 500 yards of offense and 50 points to a lower end SEC squad. But the TFL will look good!

Are you giving any consideration to MSU being a lower end SEC squad? They're probably the worst program in a loaded SEC West, and a bottom 5 SEC program overall.

he's been picking specific plays and making broad assumptions on them all week. No mention that his main point here (discrediting TFL and giving up the 20 yard pass) is inconsistent with Mississippi State being the best team in the nation in stopping pass plays of 20 yards or more

Problem with just looking at the 20 yard completion stat is that MSU was near the bottom of the NCAA in giving up extended long drives. So, they didn't give up a ton of 20 yard completions, but that doesn't mean you're stopping anyone. First downs are only 10 yards long.

 

[CanesAreAble]

It's every game versus a good passing offense bro. It wasn't just Arky. Watch any game of his as a DC over the years against a competent passing team and he can't stop them. You are acting like it's one game when it's a large body of work.

Not sure you really understand how coaching schemes works. It's like the folks who thought "if Al played 4-3 and pressed more he'd be fine".

This is his system, his belief system. He is a zone defense coach. His entire blitzing ****nal is based off of that. He doesn't play cover 1. It's why he and his DB coach battled b/c the DB coach felt they should play more man, an Diaz was adamantly opposed.

It's like if we hired Paul Johnson and said "well he's gonna run a west coast offense with us".

I saw some cover 1 as well as press coverage out of quarters looks. Here's brief footage from an old Texas spring game where they're playing some man.

[video=youtube;Fsy1Gj37oro]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fsy1Gj37oro[/video]


I think the defense will be fine if we bring in talent, especially up front.

Like I said, wait-and-see.

 

[CanesAreAble]

Problem with just looking at the 20 yard completion stat is that MSU was near the bottom of the NCAA in giving up extended long drives. So, they didn't give up a ton of 20 yard completions, but that doesn't mean you're stopping anyone. First downs are only 10 yards long.

MSU had some weird stats because they weren't bad in 3rd down %. If they gave up a lot of long drives, they must've been giving up conversions on 1st and 2nd down.

 

[FullyERicht]

It's every game versus a good passing offense bro. It wasn't just Arky. Watch any game of his as a DC over the years against a competent passing team and he can't stop them. You are acting like it's one game when it's a large body of work.

Not sure you really understand how coaching schemes works. It's like the folks who thought "if Al played 4-3 and pressed more he'd be fine".

This is his system, his belief system. He is a zone defense coach. His entire blitzing ****nal is based off of that. He doesn't play cover 1. It's why he and his DB coach battled b/c the DB coach felt they should play more man, an Diaz was adamantly opposed.

It's like if we hired Paul Johnson and said "well he's gonna run a west coast offense with us".

I saw some cover 1 as well as press coverage out of quarters looks. Here's brief footage from an old Texas spring game where they're playing some man.

[video=youtube;Fsy1Gj37oro]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fsy1Gj37oro[/video]


I think the defense will be fine if we bring in talent, especially up front.

Like I said, wait-and-see.

Right b/c the idea is his DB coach implored him to play more man. But then Diaz was out of his comfort zone as a coach and the results were even more putrid. Again, you don't hire a guy who runs one thing, and then ask him to do something else.

Talent up front can only do so much, it's important, but it's not a cure all for bad coordinators.

I have watched a ton of the games now and I'm not seeing much if any of pressed coverage or man to man defense. The Ole Miss game he sat back and let them bleed him to death to the tune of 28 points without a stop.

I'm just not seeing this supposed highly aggressive defense that people cited bc of a press release. But I guess aggressive for me means stopping teams from moving the ball and scoring.

Heck, the Seattle Seahawks play the same base coverage 90% of the game and rush 4, and their 2013-2014 defense was as dominant as any pass defense of the modern era. Are they not "aggressive"? I don't care how many times you blitz or get TFL if you are constant getting eaten alive down the field. It is meaningless.

 

[The Franchise]

Problem with just looking at the 20 yard completion stat is that MSU was near the bottom of the NCAA in giving up extended long drives. So, they didn't give up a ton of 20 yard completions, but that doesn't mean you're stopping anyone. First downs are only 10 yards long.

MSU had some weird stats because they weren't bad in 3rd down %. If they gave up a lot of long drives, they must've been giving up conversions on 1st and 2nd down.

I forget what thread it was in, but some of the advanced stats were poignant. MSU was near the bottom of the NCAA in giving up extended time-consuming drives. They got ate up with chunky plays.

 

[407cane]

At 1:06:23 in the Arky game is why the whole TFL thing is absurd. So they stop Collins on 2 and 5 for a loss. Put one more in the TFL column.

But then on third down they give up a 20 yard pass to a wide open TE, en route to another TD. On that play, Manny brings his "signature" zone blitz, with the LBs spot dropping underneath, and they allow the TE to complete the play as they stand around staring at the QB covering grass. This is what he is best known for, and in 2015 it no longer works.

What do tackles for loss matter if you even them out by giving up wide open completions the very next play? In the end, they gave up nearly 500 yards of offense and 50 points to a lower end SEC squad. But the TFL will look good!

Are you giving any consideration to MSU being a lower end SEC squad? They're probably the worst program in a loaded SEC West, and a bottom 5 SEC program overall.

he's been picking specific plays and making broad assumptions on them all week. No mention that his main point here (discrediting TFL and giving up the 20 yard pass) is inconsistent with Mississippi State being the best team in the nation in stopping pass plays of 20 yards or more

Problem with just looking at the 20 yard completion stat is that MSU was near the bottom of the NCAA in giving up extended long drives. So, they didn't give up a ton of 20 yard completions, but that doesn't mean you're stopping anyone. First downs are only 10 yards long.

Completely agree with this ^ he has to improve for sure on giving up 1st downs. His defenses ranked top 40 in 3rd down defense so it means he's giving up a lot of 1-15 yard pass plays in early downs. Idk much about scheme honestly, not sure if it's weak zones he's running or just doesn't have players in the right position but if he can't get it fixed I hope Richt fires him. Their inability to get off the field has me worried for sure.


Maybe i'm a little more optimistic than some (although have my doubts and took me a full day to not be mad about the Diaz hire), because just like you stated they were getting physically abused and worn down all game. They couldn't stop first downs from happening. They got to the quarterback and got plenty of TFL and avoided the big play but still gave up first downs. It means to me atleast that he has them playing disciplined in not being beat deep. I'm hoping that with more talent, smaller teams in the ACC, and UGA caliber S&C program, they may fare a little better in not allowing opponents to walk up and down the field on them as the game progresses

Just that is a completely different thing that what ericht is stating and implying i

 

[FullyERicht]

Problem with just looking at the 20 yard completion stat is that MSU was near the bottom of the NCAA in giving up extended long drives. So, they didn't give up a ton of 20 yard completions, but that doesn't mean you're stopping anyone. First downs are only 10 yards long.

MSU had some weird stats because they weren't bad in 3rd down %. If they gave up a lot of long drives, they must've been giving up conversions on 1st and 2nd down.

I forget what thread it was in, but some of the advanced stats were poignant. MSU was near the bottom of the NCAA in giving up extended time-consuming drives. They got ate up with chunky plays.

You don't need to even see those stats to know it either. Watching the games gives a vivid picture of how the defense functions.

 

[demcanes26]

At 1:06:23 in the Arky game is why the whole TFL thing is absurd. So they stop Collins on 2 and 5 for a loss. Put one more in the TFL column.

But then on third down they give up a 20 yard pass to a wide open TE, en route to another TD. On that play, Manny brings his "signature" zone blitz, with the LBs spot dropping underneath, and they allow the TE to complete the play as they stand around staring at the QB covering grass. This is what he is best known for, and in 2015 it no longer works.

What do tackles for loss matter if you even them out by giving up wide open completions the very next play? In the end, they gave up nearly 500 yards of offense and 50 points to a lower end SEC squad. But the TFL will look good!

Arkansas was one of the better offenses in the SEC this year. They scored 50 points 4 out of their last 6 games. That said, he does play a ton of zone defense. People thinking that we are going to become more of a man to man defense is in for a rude awaken. What I don't understand is he grew up under Mickey Andrews and Chuck Amato. Mickey played a ton of man to man, and Amato played a lot of man at NC State. I believe you can't be a top defense playing a ton of zone coverage. Michigan doesn't do it. Alabama doesn't do it. LSU doesn't do it, and Clemson doesn't do it. Oklahoma does it all the time, and they looked horrible on defense in the Orange Bowl. He won't last two years playing zone at Miami.

 

[FullyERicht]

At 1:06:23 in the Arky game is why the whole TFL thing is absurd. So they stop Collins on 2 and 5 for a loss. Put one more in the TFL column.

But then on third down they give up a 20 yard pass to a wide open TE, en route to another TD. On that play, Manny brings his "signature" zone blitz, with the LBs spot dropping underneath, and they allow the TE to complete the play as they stand around staring at the QB covering grass. This is what he is best known for, and in 2015 it no longer works.

What do tackles for loss matter if you even them out by giving up wide open completions the very next play? In the end, they gave up nearly 500 yards of offense and 50 points to a lower end SEC squad. But the TFL will look good!

Arkansas was one of the better offenses in the SEC this year. They scored 50 points 4 out of their last 6 games. That said, he does play a ton of zone defense. People thinking that we are going to become more of a man to man defense is in for a rude awaken. What I don't understand is he grew up under Mickey Andrews and Chuck Amato. Mickey played a ton of man to man, and Amato played a lot of man at NC State. I believe you can't be a top defense playing a ton of zone coverage. Michigan doesn't do it. Alabama doesn't do it. LSU doesn't do it, and Clemson doesn't do it. Oklahoma does it all the time, and they looked horrible on defense in the Orange Bowl. He want last two years playing zone at Miami.

Yea I mean Arky was a 270 yards per game passing team.....against MSU they threw it for 406.......You'd like to see a guy with comparable talent be able to at least hold them to their average.

And your point about his coverage is what I've been screaming about but certain folks just don't want to hear it. This is not the defense people were asking for.

I just hope people don't do the all too predictable "blame the players the first two seasons" thing.

 

[The Franchise]

At 1:06:23 in the Arky game is why the whole TFL thing is absurd. So they stop Collins on 2 and 5 for a loss. Put one more in the TFL column.

But then on third down they give up a 20 yard pass to a wide open TE, en route to another TD. On that play, Manny brings his "signature" zone blitz, with the LBs spot dropping underneath, and they allow the TE to complete the play as they stand around staring at the QB covering grass. This is what he is best known for, and in 2015 it no longer works.

What do tackles for loss matter if you even them out by giving up wide open completions the very next play? In the end, they gave up nearly 500 yards of offense and 50 points to a lower end SEC squad. But the TFL will look good!

Are you giving any consideration to MSU being a lower end SEC squad? They're probably the worst program in a loaded SEC West, and a bottom 5 SEC program overall.

he's been picking specific plays and making broad assumptions on them all week. No mention that his main point here (discrediting TFL and giving up the 20 yard pass) is inconsistent with Mississippi State being the best team in the nation in stopping pass plays of 20 yards or more

Problem with just looking at the 20 yard completion stat is that MSU was near the bottom of the NCAA in giving up extended long drives. So, they didn't give up a ton of 20 yard completions, but that doesn't mean you're stopping anyone. First downs are only 10 yards long.

Completely agree with this ^ he has to improve for sure on giving up 1st downs. His defenses ranked top 40 in 3rd down defense so it means he's giving up a lot of 1-15 yard pass plays in early downs. Idk much about scheme honestly, not sure if it's weak zones he's running or just doesn't have players in the right position but if he can't get it fixed I hope Richt fires him. Their inability to get off the field has me worried for sure.


Maybe i'm a little more optimistic than some (although have my doubts and took me a full day to not be mad about the Diaz hire), because just like you stated they were getting physically abused and worn down all game. They couldn't stop first downs from happening. They got to the quarterback and got plenty of TFL and avoided the big play but still gave up first downs. It means to me atleast that he has them playing disciplined in not being beat deep. I'm hoping that with more talent, smaller teams in the ACC, and UGA caliber S&C program, they may fare a little better in not allowing opponents to walk up and down the field on them as the game progresses

Just that is a completely different thing that what ericht is stating and implying i

Good stuff. I don't see too much changing in Diaz's approach with the addition of more talent. These coaches generally are who they are. He's going to run what he runs. I just cringe at the thought of us getting a few TFL here and there but then following them up by giving up a 15 yard pass for a 1st down. That soft zone **** just makes me sick.

 

[Miami82]

At 1:06:23 in the Arky game is why the whole TFL thing is absurd. So they stop Collins on 2 and 5 for a loss. Put one more in the TFL column.

But then on third down they give up a 20 yard pass to a wide open TE, en route to another TD. On that play, Manny brings his "signature" zone blitz, with the LBs spot dropping underneath, and they allow the TE to complete the play as they stand around staring at the QB covering grass. This is what he is best known for, and in 2015 it no longer works.

What do tackles for loss matter if you even them out by giving up wide open completions the very next play? In the end, they gave up nearly 500 yards of offense and 50 points to a lower end SEC squad. But the TFL will look good!

Are you giving any consideration to MSU being a lower end SEC squad? They're probably the worst program in a loaded SEC West, and a bottom 5 SEC program overall.

he's been picking specific plays and making broad assumptions on them all week. No mention that his main point here (discrediting TFL and giving up the 20 yard pass) is inconsistent with Mississippi State being the best team in the nation in stopping pass plays of 20 yards or more

Problem with just looking at the 20 yard completion stat is that MSU was near the bottom of the NCAA in giving up extended long drives. So, they didn't give up a ton of 20 yard completions, but that doesn't mean you're stopping anyone. First downs are only 10 yards long.

Completely agree with this ^ he has to improve for sure on giving up 1st downs. His defenses ranked top 40 in 3rd down defense so it means he's giving up a lot of 1-15 yard pass plays in early downs. Idk much about scheme honestly, not sure if it's weak zones he's running or just doesn't have players in the right position but if he can't get it fixed I hope Richt fires him. Their inability to get off the field has me worried for sure.


Maybe i'm a little more optimistic than some (although have my doubts and took me a full day to not be mad about the Diaz hire), because just like you stated they were getting physically abused and worn down all game. They couldn't stop first downs from happening. They got to the quarterback and got plenty of TFL and avoided the big play but still gave up first downs. It means to me atleast that he has them playing disciplined in not being beat deep. I'm hoping that with more talent, smaller teams in the ACC, and UGA caliber S&C program, they may fare a little better in not allowing opponents to walk up and down the field on them as the game progresses

Just that is a completely different thing that what ericht is stating and implying i

LOL, dude you know the answer... It was pointed out by Fully back in Lu's thread. smh

 

[cane since birth]

didn't rumph say in a interview when he talked to diaz that we were going to run more man to man