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Cribby said:
It’s on you to do a better job with dummy signals and changing things up. Do people really think every school isn’t looking for an advantage like this? CFB is the filthiest sport on earth. People actually find different ways to launder money to pay recruits to go to their schools lol. The whole thing is politics with pads.
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Uhhhh...if the team stealing signals has the CORRECT signals, then all the dummy signals in the world will not change things.

The only "possible" solution would be to use 12 different sets of signals for 12 different games. Or maybe 24 sets of signals for 24 different halves.

The bottom line is that you can address the problem in two ways. Yes, teams can improve their countermeasures. And, yes, the NCAA (and conferences) can toughen the penalties and enforcement.

I agree with you on the money thing, but I'd also say that college athletes have not been paid fairly for over 100 years. But the military-op sign-stealing is only a recent development. We can write rules to address the sign-stealing.
 
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AtlAtty said:
And he bought the tickets for the family and friends. I can’t wait to see where the paper trail on the ticket purchases leads but I will bet money that the university was reimbursing him. The guy’s salary was $55,000. No chance he is buying 45 yard line tickets and flying people to games on his own dime. Assuming that is the case and the university was reimbursing him or buying the tickets outright, it will be hard for the university to avoid some institutional charges.
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Agreed. Full audit of all of Michigan's expenses for the last 3 years.

****, I'd be willing to be an IRS whistle-blower on this. Sure, Michigan might be a "non-profit", but paying for expenditures that are intended as technical or outright rules violations MIGHT NOT BE a valid business expense deduction. I'd laugh my tail off if Michigan lost its non-profit status (or a division of Michigan, if the Athletic Department is run separately). I'd be curious to hear what @Fluffhead has to say about this...

Also, if these are NOT valid reimbursements of valid business expenses, then they might very well be income to the individuals who attended games. And...you know...payroll taxes...

The IRS can be a vicious beeeeoytch...
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Uhhhh...if you have the CORRECT signals, then all the dummy signals in the world will not change things.

The only "possible" solution would be to use 12 different sets of signals for 12 different games. Or maybe 24 sets of signals for 24 different halves.

The bottom line is that you can address the problem in two ways. Yes, teams can improve their countermeasures. And, yes, the NCAA (and conferences) can toughen the penalties and enforcement.

I agree with you on the money thing, but I'd also say that college athletes have not been paid fairly for over 100 years. But the military-op sign-stealing is only a recent development. We can write rules to address the sign-stealing.
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They should get smacked a little just for how brazen they were with the whole operation. The amount of evidence they have is crazy for 2023 .
 
Cribby said:
They should get smacked a little just for how brazen they were with the whole operation. The amount of evidence they have is crazy for 2023 .
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Yessir.

And, look, I'm fine with countermeasures. But if you are taking "normal" countermeasures, and then Michigan rolls in with some shock-and-awe next-level stuff, it's hard to do something to change that in the span of three hours.

But I hear ya. I just think Harbaugh has gone too far, and the reactions of every one of his opponents is a good indication of that. Unwritten rules. Lines. Limits.

Harbaugh has just blown past the cop while he's doing 185 mph. And for what, he's playing some weak-*** teams...

It's like Nixon wiretapping the DNC headquarters. Why? The guy was about to win 49 states.
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
Agreed. Full audit of all of Michigan's expenses for the last 3 years.

****, I'd be willing to be an IRS whistle-blower on this. Sure, Michigan might be a "non-profit", but paying for expenditures that are intended as technical or outright rules violations MIGHT NOT BE a valid business expense deduction. I'd laugh my tail off if Michigan lost its non-profit status (or a division of Michigan, if the Athletic Department is run separately). I'd be curious to hear what @Fluffhead has to say about this...

Also, if these are NOT valid reimbursements of valid business expenses, then they might very well be income to the individuals who attended games. And...you know...payroll taxes...

The IRS can be a vicious beeeeoytch...
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If the IRS gets involved then we'll know for certain this is an attempt to take Michigan down. For decades the only way go after "the bag man" and the athletes who take the money is with the IRS, who strangely stayed away from it all.


Is the simple fix here to allow QB's to have communications in their helmet like the NFL? I dont know the cost of those systems but I have to believe any program vying for bowl eligibility would be able to afford it.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Yessir.

And, look, I'm fine with countermeasures. But if you are taking "normal" countermeasures, and then Michigan rolls in with some shock-and-awe next-level stuff, it's hard to do something to change that.

But I hear ya. I just think Harbaugh has gone too far, and the reactions of every one of his opponents is a good indication of that. Unwritten rules. Lines. Limits.

Harbaugh has just blown past the cop while he's doing 185 mph. And for what, he's playing some weak-*** teams...

It's like Nixon wiretapping the DNC headquarters. Why? The guy was about to win 49 states.
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Is the equivalent of cheating on your wife and leaving a box of condoms in the front seat with a jug of lube in the back seat.
 
SFbayCane said:
If the IRS gets involved then we'll know for certain this is an attempt to take Michigan down. For decades the only way go after "the bag man" and the athletes who take the money is with the IRS, who strangely stayed away from it all.


Is the simple fix here to allow QB's to have communications in their helmet like the NFL? I dont know the cost of those systems but I have to believe any program vying for bowl eligibility would be able to afford it.
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I think it will happen soon. The tech is so good, and maybe a certain possible future content-provider (Apple) might like to see their logos on the headsets of the coaches and (possibly) near the earholes of the QBs.

I also have the (easy) perfect solution to encourage more NIL transparency...

The 1099-NIL.

And if payors don't file all their 1099s...well, then, the penalty hammer can come down hard. We already have questions on our 1040s and 1120s asking us to affirmatively state that we have filed all required 1099s.
 
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I do NOT believe it is related to the sign scandal because of the dates he accessed the emails (post season, no spring practice yet, close to NSD); still, very strange that more information is not known about what/why/how of Matt Weiss’ cybercrimes. Maybe there is a connection I am not seeing. Months later and still nothing about that case has reached the mainstream media.
 
Bender said:
It wasn't the Bengals. It was some other team but not them.

The Bengals part was something else. The Spygate thing was essentially them filming in the wrong spot. In-stadium-recording is allowed, just not from that spot.

It's the same thing here, sign stealing is not illegal. Doing it in person is.
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It wasn't just location. It was against the rules to be filming signs.
 
Stalions claimed to have a Google document between 550 and 600 pages long that he managed daily, containing a blueprint for the Wolverines’ future. He referred the document as a movement more than a plan, dubbing it “the Michigan Manifesto.”
 
Pre-covid, stole opponent signals during the week watching tv copies then flew to the game and stood next to [then Michigan offensive coordinator Josh] Gattis and told him what coverage/pressure he was gettin,” Stalions continued.

 
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Bender said:
Nope.
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Article 9, NFL constitution and bylaws:
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President of Football Operations Ray Anderson memo in 2006:
"videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent's offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches' booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game."
 
I really haven’t paid attention to this but gathering the details, a psycho fan boy of Michigan helped Gattis into parlaying a contract that set Miami back a lot of money and at least 1 season?

Sounds about right
 
USNAVYCANE said:
Stalions claimed to have a Google document between 550 and 600 pages long that he managed daily, containing a blueprint for the Wolverines’ future. He referred the document as a movement more than a plan, dubbing it “the Michigan Manifesto.”
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It gives heavy Shapiro vibes
 
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