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Trying to understand offensive schemes…

Cribby said:
Jalen Daboer - One of the best offensive minds in Cfb and top shelf developer of qb’s. Washington in the playoff “ nothing special “

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That’s a masterful job of changing the subject.

Could you remind us how Sark did at Washington?
 
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Rellyrell said:
It has **** to do w/ better players. lol. Texas A&M had “better players” and ran an archaic system. UW doesn’t have “better players” and run up yards. It’s called coaching & scheme. I can literally run a side by side slide of what we run v. Texas and it’s night and day different.

And lol at u bringing up Leach; we’re talking UT vs. Miami, so pls stop bringing up **** that doesn’t matter.
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I’ve watched UW about 4x this year and I didn’t see complexity but what I did see was some option routes in the pass game. Depending on the coverage (pre and post snap) there were some decisions to be made from the WR and QB… you know the very thing a certain QB had trouble wrapping their head around.
 
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Gocanes1990 said:
Honest question for better football minds than mine… @Memnon @JayCane20 @LuCane @Cribby and others.

Why can’t we look at UW, Texas, Oregons schemes and apply them to Miami. I’d argue they are physical at the line of scrimmage, good running teams with explosive elements and good TE use. Why can’t we just take those schemes and apply them to our personnel and offense?

Thanks in advance… an aspiring OC
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Players
 
WanderFranco said:
And it took this top notch offensive mind until year three to get the point across.

If he always had better players, why did he go 5-7?
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He had to get his defensive coordinator right. Not his talent up. They weren't losing games because they couldn't score. They were losing because they couldn't stop a nosebleed.

Talent at Texas is never an issue. Stop the nonsense.
 
WanderFranco said:
Cool, if it doesn’t have anything to do with the quality of players, why did Sark win 5 games and then 8 games before unleashing his unbeatable system?
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Why are u trying to bring in different arguments? lol.

But maybe he went 5-7 year 1 b/c they had the 18th ranked scoring O, and the 99th ranked scoring defense. lol
 
WanderFranco said:
Yeah I wouldn’t try to argue either. Use memes.

Sarkisian finally got Washington to 8-4 in year five, because obviously it’s impossible to win there.
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What are you arguing and who are you arguing at? I've read your posts in this thread and the most substantive was starting a good OL and smart QB = more wins. I don't think that anyone disagrees with that.

Everything else just smacks off "we just need to stack classes." You seem to point to Sark as an example of great recruiting beating a great mind for coaching. That's the message that's getting across. This seems like an indirect defense of Mario.

I'm sure you mean well but you come across like a bit of a ****.
 
Canezum5 said:
He had to get his defensive coordinator right. Not his talent up. They weren't losing games because they couldn't score. They were losing because they couldn't stop a nosebleed.

Talent at Texas is never an issue. Stop the nonsense.
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So in his 10th year as a head coach he finally decided that defense counts? Because his first 9 years were meh.
 
Rellyrell said:
Why are u trying to bring in different arguments? lol.

But maybe he went 5-7 year 1 b/c they had the 18th ranked scoring O, and the 99th ranked scoring defense. lol
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Isn’t he the head coach? This is year 10 and finally a meaningful season.
 
mcnaire2004 said:
What are you arguing and who are you arguing at? I've read your posts in this thread and the most substantive was starting a good OL and smart QB = more wins. I don't think that anyone disagrees with that.

Everything else just smacks off "we just need to stack classes." You seem to point to Sark as an example of great recruiting beating a great mind for coaching. That's the message that's getting across. This seems like an indirect defense of Mario.

I'm sure you mean well but you come across like a bit of a ****.
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Players will always be the difference between 5-7 and 12-1. Always. Quit selling this “scheme” nonsense. Talent is what always makes a coach “great”.
 
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How did I know Beetlejuice would creep into this MF thread Mane? 😮‍💨🤔

All you gotta do is compare or critique the coaches 3 times and @WanderFranco Pop out like:
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WanderFranco said:
Players will always be the difference between 5-7 and 12-1. Always. Quit selling this “scheme” nonsense. Talent is what always makes a coach “great”.
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Okay, I guess I haven't made this argument in a few weeks so I will. Here are the last 40 years of national champions. How come they all turned losing teams around so quickly? No transfer portal for most of them. Loser no talented players?

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WanderFranco said:
Absolutely. Just quit telling us it’s not about the players when no one wins without having players.
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No one said anything about players; that’s been ur reasoning. Lol

Buuuuuuuuuuuuut, since u brought up players:

So what’s Louisville’s excuse this season?
What has Washington’s excuse been?
What was Miami’s excuse under Richt?

Feller, I can give u a whole slew of successful coaches in year 1 and 2 w the same players of the previous failed regimes. Nevertheless, I’ve been VERY CONSISTENT that a coach should see absolute improvements by year 3. In year 3, Miami will be completely rid of Diaz’s players. The entire roster will be Mario’s. So there should be no excuse, if it’s the players, that we wouldn’t be a 10+ win team. Norvell achieved it, & now Sark.

So let’s see, & that’s what we all should expect.
 
Gocanes1990 said:
But why not just steal the best plays? It’s like sitting next to the smartest kid in class…
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No, its not. To successfully execute a play, you have to practice it to the point where you can consistently execute it in practice against one look. And then you change looks. And then you practice again.

It's not NCAA Football, where you can just randomly select the Spread Option playbook and run Read Option and Motion WR Option and all that stuff all game. That doesn't work.

The reason why Baylor ran over UNC all these years ago was because they ran the same concepts in blocking out of different formations. They didn't run 25 different plays, but they ran the same play out of six different formations. And to be able to consistenly run that, you have to consistenly execute it.

I get the notion of stealing plays, but you can't install a play during the week and expect it to work perfectly. Executing a play takes a lot of practice. Imagine you run a play in practice, works perfectly all the time. You go into the game and you want to run that play. The defense gives you a look that neither the QB nor the O-Line has seen before in practice. That immediately slows down the whole process and build up of that play because no one is sure if that play works and where the ball has to go.
 
mcnaire2004 said:
Okay, I guess I haven't made this argument in a few weeks so I will. Here are the last 40 years of national champions. How come they all turned losing teams around so quickly? No transfer portal for most of them. Loser no talented players?

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All? Did you just ask why “they all” turned things around so quickly? Look at your chart again.

One thing you conveniently left out is the 20 year period before year 1. Many of those programs were in solid shape.
 
Rellyrell said:
No one said anything about players; that’s been ur reasoning. Lol

Buuuuuuuuuuuuut, since u brought up players:

So what’s Louisville’s excuse this season?
What has Washington’s excuse been?
What was Miami’s excuse under Richt?

Feller, I can give u a whole slew of successful coaches in year 1 and 2 w the same players of the previous failed regimes. Nevertheless, I’ve been VERY CONSISTENT that a coach should see absolute improvements by year 3. If year 3, Miami will be completely rid of Diaz’s players. The entire roster will be Mario’s. So there should be no excuse, if it’s the players, that we wouldn’t be a 10+ win team. Norvell achieved it, & now Sark.

So let’s see, & that’s what we all should expect.
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Even Shannon and Golden were able to win 9 games in year 3
 
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