The QB situation is the determining factor. He has to hit on the QB. If TVD would of been more consistent we would of been a couple games better. But Mario gets the big money so its on him to figure out the QB situation. Outside of DB. Thats the glaring hole on the team composition. Right QB and we see a major jump.
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Meh.
The difference with all these coaches, as is usually the case, comes down to QB play.
The difference with all these coaches, as is usually the case, comes down to QB play.
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I added to the OP. Some were rumored/estimates as the info is not public. Also this was the original contract, not including extensions/raises.
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Ok...a real response to your initial post
(apologize for the K, that's your thing).
Pass/Fail based on a .500 record is one way you can look at this,
But geez man.....+/E/- is only a quarter step up from Pass/Fail.
Overthinking? I can't implement advanced analytics at 8am, believe me.
I had Mario grouped in with 4 others, you had 3. There's not much of a difference in our conclusion.
It's obvious what the overall theme of the OP was here, and I didn't disagree.
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Mario is a bad coach. Just is. Maybe talent can eventually win out but he’s shown he’s just a **** coach on the field.
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Which calls into question exactly why does our head coach not put a premium on the most important position? We have signed two mid-tier three star high school quarterbacks and nobody from the portal under Mario. I give him credit for going full bore on Cam Ward but almost getting him to come here doesn't mean anything.
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You were still editing during my intial response initially you had Dykes as - too. Maybe Venables is a dropoff but year 1 he did lose a good chunk of Riley's 11 win team to the portal. Mainly his starting Heisman level QB. I think the fails/- are pretty obvious and outside of Miami, Virginia and uf not sure any other fanbases are calling for heads to role.
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Is this yet another attempt at a demoralization thread?
What would you have me do with this information? Retroactive lament that Frenk did not go after Lanning or DeBoer instead of Cristobal? These program comparison arguments are trash, just like someone making use of the transitive property to extrapolate who a better team is based on a singular common opponent. There are a **** ton of factors to consider and, as is true in life, some folks in the start the race with a lead over others. Miami has been a liquid puddle of diarrhea dog**** for two decades. I feel quite confident in stating that of the 13 programs mentioned in OPs post, we are in the top four in terms of coaches who ended up stepping into the deepest pile of **** when initially accepting their head coaching job--or started from the turnstiles if were keeping with race analogies.
Appreciate the effort in listing out the '21 coaching hires. No problem with the factual points in it and its interesting to see from a high altitude look at college ball--but that's all. We have far different problems to address in our program than we do Napier or Riley. I wish we could have been blessed with a Heisman Candidate at QB like some of those schools, or of course taken knees at appropriate times. Perhaps things would have panned out differently. Instead, we got a one-read mental klepto in Van Dookie. With him alone--damned surprised we even improved our record YoY.
What would you have me do with this information? Retroactive lament that Frenk did not go after Lanning or DeBoer instead of Cristobal? These program comparison arguments are trash, just like someone making use of the transitive property to extrapolate who a better team is based on a singular common opponent. There are a **** ton of factors to consider and, as is true in life, some folks in the start the race with a lead over others. Miami has been a liquid puddle of diarrhea dog**** for two decades. I feel quite confident in stating that of the 13 programs mentioned in OPs post, we are in the top four in terms of coaches who ended up stepping into the deepest pile of **** when initially accepting their head coaching job--or started from the turnstiles if were keeping with race analogies.
Appreciate the effort in listing out the '21 coaching hires. No problem with the factual points in it and its interesting to see from a high altitude look at college ball--but that's all. We have far different problems to address in our program than we do Napier or Riley. I wish we could have been blessed with a Heisman Candidate at QB like some of those schools, or of course taken knees at appropriate times. Perhaps things would have panned out differently. Instead, we got a one-read mental klepto in Van Dookie. With him alone--damned surprised we even improved our record YoY.
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No, just wanted to track that 2021 cycle where a lot of programs needed a new coach. The splash hires are either underperforming or meeting the program average so far.
I added the average record as a standard for all programs since our first year in the ACC. True, every situation is different. Mario came into one of the worser situations. But everyone had the same starting point in regards to how they flip the roster, who they surrounded themselves with, etc.
The most impressive so far is obviously DeBoer inheriting a 4-8 program. He seems to win at every level with a 104-11 career record. While Mario called TVD the best QB in the country as soon as he arrived and paired him with Gattis, DeBoer grabbed Penix with a lackluster/injured career out of the portal even though he had a 5 star freshman, 4 star starter on the roster already.
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It was more so in comparison to the program average since 2004 (our first year in the ACC).
You’re right, Freeman would be an average to almost a underperformer considering where he picked up where Kelly left off.
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Did it? Maybe or maybe not. TVD set us back quite a bit as Rashada would’ve gotten the Emory playing time but Mario also never got s portal QB after Garcia left. We are still waiting on a QB1. Rashada wasn’t very good as a true freshman either, which isn’t to be expected. In today’s CF, they should be able to pivot to another QB. Why not go after Dante Moore in the portal, who was better than Rashada, if we are comparing freshmen in the portal?
There is only one common denominator here.
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but can we get a pre-coach culture adjustment formula? Then we can know the REAL record
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Was hoping Heupel was on here haha, but I think he got a year too early.
Thought he was on par in 2021, and over performed over the same time frame of 2022 and 2023.
We had a thread earlier in one of our forums where Washington’s success is so unprecedented with their average recruit ranking, that IIRC it would be the lowest graded roster per recruit rankings of Atleast the last 10 years. ~87 per recruit whereas bama and Georgia were winning with 93~ avg recruit ranking
Thought he was on par in 2021, and over performed over the same time frame of 2022 and 2023.
We had a thread earlier in one of our forums where Washington’s success is so unprecedented with their average recruit ranking, that IIRC it would be the lowest graded roster per recruit rankings of Atleast the last 10 years. ~87 per recruit whereas bama and Georgia were winning with 93~ avg recruit ranking
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I think Heupel has done a great job considering he’s a Type 12 diabetic dealing with Hypertension and Gout