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"Tough Team Meeting"

Go Canes!! said:
Dude really?

In 11 regular season games the 2000 team, arguably the second best team here ever had 97 penalties for 952 yards.
In 11 regular season games, the 2001 team, the greatest team ever had 109 penalties for 944 yards.
In 11 regular season games the 2002 team had 124 penalties for 124 yards.

I can go on and on and on.

This has been a problem here forever. Please don't give me the showboating or aggression nonsense. Canes teams have ALWAYS been undisciplined and error prone, no matter who the coach was.
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I agreed with you. Miami has always gotten lot of penalties, but not all penalties are the same Heck, I remember cheering for penalties back in the day because seem to make us play better. The number of penalties alone does not equal undisciplined; the type matter. Back to back delay of game or illegal procedure, for sure do, but slightly late hits, or unnecessary roughness, or roughing the passer are not the same. Heck, St Bobby use to encourage late hits on QBs. And, less we forget, JJ made it clear that nothing happened on the field that HE didn't want to happen. The old teams played on the edge and beyond. Since Randy, they have played dazed in a fog.

Also, those old teams got many penalties that were called out of hate or just to keep the game from being embarrassing to home team.Point in case is the grand-daddy of them all, the famous Cotton Bowl game that gave rise to "The Miami Rules". Before you reply with further citations of Hurricane penalties, yes we get more penalties than anyone and always have. The difference is they use to be a badge of honor.
 
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1hurricane said:
There’s nothing emotional about my comment. The purpose of practice is to implement the game plan, answer questions the players might have and correct the mistakes you see the players making. Am I wrong??? So if the coach doesn’t correct those mistakes in practice what does that say about that coach? Oh and btw I don’t drink coffee
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As in most things, it depends. You can't coach stupid. JJ always said to two things he looks for in a recruit is speed and intelligence because those are the two things you can't coach. How often do people around here overlook the latter if a kid can "ball".
 
tcgrad1014 said:
A problem Manny has is that Canes fans have unfortunately become experts at spotting **** coach tendencies. He checks a bunch of the boxes and its only been 4 games. We also know what happens next: it goes from players ****ed off about playing like garbage (and I'm skeptical many of them even care at this point) to accepting mediocrity.

Manny isn't any worse than the 4 ****** coaches that preceded him. He's another in the line. Different personality, same failure. It's obvious.
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Yes. Manny has the same dopey personality type as Al Golden, Randy Shannon, etc.

Blame the Board of Trustees.
 
Quick to praise, slow to criticize is just fine if you're managing a Subway, not so much if you're the HC of a P5 football program with aspirations of success.
 
1hurricane said:
There’s nothing emotional about my comment. The purpose of practice is to implement the game plan, answer questions the players might have and correct the mistakes you see the players making. Am I wrong??? So if the coach doesn’t correct those mistakes in practice what does that say about that coach? Oh and btw I don’t drink coffee
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What makes you think he didn't try to fix them, and the players went out on game day and made the same mistakes? That's why he said he is opening the competition up to make them feel like they are not guaranteed anything. During your CORCHING days, did you fix all mistakes during one practice week, and magically everyone made no mistakes the following week?
 
All coaches sound the same when a team is losing. Manny sounds like Golden, Shannon, and every other coach. The fact is that you can’t and won’t sound good trying to explain poor performance. So let’s stop wasting time analyzing words because we’ll be the same people praising his words if Miami was winning, and the words would be equally useless. Words mean nothing, good or bad.
 
Honestly, if these guys were complacent after the Bethune game, I don't even know what to say. We are coming off of a terribly disappointing season that many of these guys were part of, which resulted in the head coach resigning after an embarrassing bowl loss. We have a new head coach, new offensive system, and supposed to be a "new Miami." We then start off the season losing 2 very winnable games, including games against one of our biggest rivals and a divisional game against another program with a new coach, largely because of mistakes we made. Then we started slowly against Bethune, to finally get it going against them late in the 1st half.

Going into the Central Michigan game, we hadn't beaten an FBS opponent, and had played about 5 quarters of good football in 3 games. How are any of our guys feeling complacent? I said this in another thread about culture, but I'm not sure what these guys have done, or what these guys have seen, to make them think that at this point in time, that just because you have the U on your helmet that the other team is going to just lay down and surrender. Other than the 10 game run in 2017, this program, and most of these guys, have generally underachieved for years. This isn't the 2004 Canes, where coming off of the recent success of a few seasons, some guys were clearly entitled and thought that the U on the helmet meant we would win, no matter how hard we worked. How could the same thinking go on now?
 
Did he grade out the coaches as well? Did he admit the playcalling on both sides was also terrible? What about competition among the staff? Can we bench the coordinators?
 
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Go Canes!! said:
Dude really?

In 11 regular season games the 2000 team, arguably the second best team here ever had 97 penalties for 952 yards.
In 11 regular season games, the 2001 team, the greatest team ever had 109 penalties for 944 yards.
In 11 regular season games the 2002 team had 124 penalties for 124 yards.

I can go on and on and on.

This has been a problem here forever. Please don't give me the showboating or aggression nonsense. Canes teams have ALWAYS been undisciplined and error prone, no matter who the coach was.
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Baloney!!!

When can you remember from 1983 through 2001 a penalty costing us a game? During that time, how often in a key situation did you see a Hurricane crack mentally and do something stupid? It rarely happened. JJ pushed them to the edge. If you want them to play with that "dog in them" then you have to be willing to live with the consequences of that aggression. Yet past teams were disciplined unlike recent teams. Unfortunately, the following has become a poster on the wall rather than something they lived.

"Discipline is a lot more than saying 'Don't throw your hands in the air when you score a touchdown.' Discipline is when it's 110 degrees in the Orange Bowl, no breeze, fourth quarter, a minute and a half left to play, fourth and three for the other team, you're dead tired, they come to the line and that opposing QB gives up a hard count: 'Hut Hut'. And you don't jump offsides because you're disciplined mentally and physically".

Michael Irvin
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Mr. Dynasty1 said:
....We don’t want guys to feel comfortable, especially off of a performance like that...
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THAN WHY THE **** ARE THEY ALLOWING INTERVIEWS AND DANCING IN THE LOCKER ROOM AFTER THE PERFORMANCE!

I don't recall dancing MY happy *** around when I'm NOT confortable
 
Maybe Many laid into his coaches as well before the meeting and had the come to Jesus meeting with the team. Who knows but I do think Many will not except looking like a clown show at the end of the season. I think Many truly knows what it is to be a Miami Hurricane and he will build it. It starts with the recruiting of the s florida divas. Hopefully he sticks with his word as to placing a value on the scholarship and stop playing games with them. Next is to weed out the cancers on the team by competition and not settling for mediocre. Great teams take maturity and this team lacks it. Someone needs to step up and ***** slap some of these players soft players. Players today rather just complain why they are not playing but truth is they are not working as hard and just want to get like 100,000 likes on a social media page. Give you an example my 12 old daughter plays volleyball and complained that she wasn't playing as much as she wanted. My response to her was work harder in practice and stay off of social media. I told her you want to play more, work harder than the person who is in front you. Since than she has practiced harder and is playing more in the games. She has also tried to stay off the social media. Like everyone said they need to get rid of the dam offensive rings.
 
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Mnhurricane said:
When is the meeting where the corches sit down and get told how poorly they’re performing? **** Enos could get one meeting just to himself
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This man gets it! And before all you sunshine pumpers spew your BS, holding coaches accountable is half of Diaz’s ******* job! And he hasn’t once said he’s doing that, so till then he’s no different then our last two coaches and officially a corch!
 
Go Canes!! said:
Dude really?

In 11 regular season games the 2000 team, arguably the second best team here ever had 97 penalties for 952 yards.
In 11 regular season games, the 2001 team, the greatest team ever had 109 penalties for 944 yards.
In 11 regular season games the 2002 team had 124 penalties for 124 yards.

I can go on and on and on.

This has been a problem here forever. Please don't give me the showboating or aggression nonsense. Canes teams have ALWAYS been undisciplined and error prone, no matter who the coach was.
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In 2002 they had 124 one yard penalties?
 
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