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[CANE4LIFE]

Agree 1000% with the Mike James out of the gun business. That is absolutely absurd. James has one of the slowest first steps of any back we have had in a decade. HE's a strong runner, but you CANT have him in slow developing runs behind the LOS. He needs to be hitting the hole fast out of the I.

Its obvious both Fisch and COach D have NO confidence at all in their players, the real question is, should they.

 

[CANE4LIFE]

+1000 on the JUCO stuff. Butch lived at the JUCOs and knew how critical it was to have experience on the Lines. Butch's SINGLE best competency as a coach was his ability to scout linemen. We need experience on those lines. Golden cant wait 3 years for a bunch of Frosh to "get it".

 

[5minutesalone]

Lacking the foresight to fill needs with real JUCO players is why Randy Shannon passed on the likes of Terrance Cody and not even recruiting a plethora of JUCO linemen.

Where can we fit JUCOs in this class? Would you pass on this year's HS DT on order to take some JUCOs?

I got a few hand fulls of players I'd tell to immediately kick rocks if I needed room.

No excuse for no rooms. I'm not in the business of coddling.

And, I want the HS DTs we are said to be in the lead for AND a JUCO.

Its needed.

Hunter Wells, Corey King, Jimmy Gaines, Tyrone Cornelius, David Perry...they could all be wished the best in all their future endeavors and we should go out there and start filling the roster with players that you think can play better than these guys in areas of real need...which should be very easy considering the names I just rolled out there.

Who the **** are the bolded? Never even heard of these guys. Wtf.

 

[CANE1775]

Just for the record, Terrance Cody wouldn't have done a **** thing here. Nick Saban barely got something out of him and he's the best in the business. Fat *** would have rotted on the bench under Shannon.

 

[DMoney]

I honestly don't think they quit today.......they just got taken to the shed from the first snap to the last.

I agree to a point. We gave up when their backup QB ran up the middle for 2 touchdowns uncontested. That **** is inexcusable.


Up until that point, I saw an honest effort from everyone, we just aren't good and KSU is.

Exactly. Those last two TDs were white flags.

 

[CANE4LIFE]

Just for the record, Terrance Cody wouldn't have done a **** thing here. Nick Saban barely got something out of him and he's the best in the business. Fat *** would have rotted on the bench under Shannon.

Just like that Bum Arthur Brown. Boy that Shannon really had an eye for talent didnt he? But we had Romeo Davis and Glenn Cook rocking it.

 

[Larry]

Lacking the foresight to fill needs with real JUCO players is why Randy Shannon passed on the likes of Terrance Cody and not even recruiting a plethora of JUCO linemen.

Where can we fit JUCOs in this class? Would you pass on this year's HS DT on order to take some JUCOs?

I got a few hand fulls of players I'd tell to immediately kick rocks if I needed room.

No excuse for no rooms. I'm not in the business of coddling.

And, I want the HS DTs we are said to be in the lead for AND a JUCO.

Its needed.

Hunter Wells, Corey King, Jimmy Gaines, Tyrone Cornelius, David Perry...they could all be wished the best in all their future endeavors and we should go out there and start filling the roster with players that you think can play better than these guys in areas of real need...which should be very easy considering the names I just rolled out there.

Who the **** are the bolded? Never even heard of these guys. Wtf.

Bums taking up valuable scholarships.

 

[5minutesalone]

Man, wouldn't mind a little arthur brown in orange and green right now.

 

[CANE4LIFE]

I honestly don't think they quit today.......they just got taken to the shed from the first snap to the last.

I agree to a point. We gave up when their backup QB ran up the middle for 2 touchdowns uncontested. That **** is inexcusable.


Up until that point, I saw an honest effort from everyone, we just aren't good and KSU is.

We quit right before that. I think failing to score late, the 4th down where we couldnt put it in. Then the turnover. That broke our back. That is when we packed it in. By the time they put the back up QB in, we had already quit.

 

[838789]

in my opinion, regarding the defense I would just line em up in pure man formations and let the youngins learn how to play. We are going to give up points no matter what, we may as well run the sets we would plan to run with a "grown up" defense. So what if they give up the big play, they give up the big play in this soft zone bend and break defense.

 

[CanesAreAble]

The D-line is why I said it was going to take 2-3 years (starting last year) to fix this defense. I made a long post about it at the beginning of last year.

The upperclassmen talent isn't there AT ALL, and it's going to take time for some of the younger guys to separate themselves.

 

[ACKCANE]

Mike James isn't struggling. He just isn't being used properly. How many times has he gotten to take a handoff from a QB under center and run north/south or run downhill behind a fullback? Hardly at all, and that is his strength.

We're using him for shotgun HB draws and on sweeps, and out in the flats, and to go east/west which doesn't suit him at all.

I agree, which is the one of the reasons Morris should spend more time under center.

I am dumbfounded at the way we are running the offense this year. We have the big uglies up front to push people around and we are pussyfooting with a shotgun type spread running game playing against our strengths. Grind it out a little bit. We have the backs to wear people down and give our D a breather. On another side ... After last week and the with what we showed, why wouldn't you try a double move on the outside and go deep on the first series? I think we ran the exact same set of scripted plays this week as last ... But wtf do I know?

 

[FinsFishandCaneS]

in my opinion, regarding the defense I would just line em up in pure man formations and let the youngins learn how to play. We are going to give up points no matter what, we may as well run the sets we would plan to run with a "grown up" defense. So what if they give up the big play, they give up the big play in this soft zone bend and break defense.

This. We have the talent to press and play man in the future. With the season being what it is, they might as well take the licks in man. The experience will be INVALUABLE in a year or two.

 

[PowerIslam aka Sumdumgoy]

Mike James isn't struggling. He just isn't being used properly. How many times has he gotten to take a handoff from a QB under center and run north/south or run downhill behind a fullback? Hardly at all, and that is his strength.

We're using him for shotgun HB draws and on sweeps, and out in the flats, and to go east/west which doesn't suit him at all.

I agree, which is the one of the reasons Morris should spend more time under center.

Not to thread jack or turn this into some pro style vs spread ****...but ****. All this Shotgun hand offs/throwing the football sideways **** is for the birds. We went from setting trends to looking like every team from Big 12 land. **** is trash. If it aint 3rd & long or hurry up offense...put the fluckin QB under center!

 

[drifters1234]

The defensive line is going to take at least another 2 years to stock up on talent that can also contribute regularly. I don't care how many great DT's we recruit in 2013, they aren't going to be able to consistently contribute until they "grow that mustache". So you're looking at a long term project regardless UNLESS you go JUCO, which we've resisted thus far.

Stop ****ing resisting. If the 2001 team made use of the JC route, it's time to get down and dirty with guys who can't spell P-O-T-A-T-O.

It doesn't make sense to me why they've resisted. We need two star JuCo DEs worse than anything. We'd be a totally different team with Vernon and Ojomo.

What Ive been saying. This team quit because its a bunch of young kids with absolutely NO senior leadership of any kind. Look at the Seniors on this team. VT, Kendall Thompkins, Buchanan. Anyone else? This is a different team with Streeter, Forston, Vernon, B Wash, Lamar Miller, Ojomo. We got DECIMATED when all those guys bailed. We didnt just lose our best players, we lost all the leadership and experience on this team.

This team quit because its a bunch of 18 and 19 year old kids with no experience or leadership. This team is missing an entire generation of players.

But some brilliant poster after the BC game said we won't miss those guys.

 

[drifters1234]

Mike James isn't struggling. He just isn't being used properly. How many times has he gotten to take a handoff from a QB under center and run north/south or run downhill behind a fullback? Hardly at all, and that is his strength.

We're using him for shotgun HB draws and on sweeps, and out in the flats, and to go east/west which doesn't suit him at all.

I agree, which is the one of the reasons Morris should spend more time under center.

I am dumbfounded at the way we are running the offense this year. We have the big uglies up front to push people around and we are ****footing with a shotgun type spread running game playing against our strengths. Grind it out a little bit. We have the backs to wear people down and give our D a breather. On another side ... After last week and the with what we showed, why wouldn't you try a double move on the outside and go deep on the first series? I think we ran the exact same set of scripted plays this week as last ... But wtf do I know?

I don't buy this at all. For what seems like several years now, people complain that we have these big strong OL that can push people around. I have yet to see it happen. Every short yardage situation I can recall for the last 5 year we struggle to get a yard or two. The only time we seem to have success on the short yardage are misdirection or unexpected passes.

 

[bomb]

...time in the Golden era that his team quit on him. Didn't happen last year, even with all the adversity. But it happened today. This performance brings to mind the 2007 Oklahoma Massacre, and that Canes team finished 5-7.

Some other thoughts...

-Said it last year, and my opinion hasn't changed: The biggest threat to the future of Miami football isn't the NCAA investigation. It's the lack of quality defensive linemen.

It would be one thing if we were watching freshmen taking their lumps. But Earl Moore was the only signee (out of seven) who played any meaningful snaps. Normally, defensive linemen don't play until they "grow mustaches." But the normal rules don't apply to the unit we watched today. If the freshmen have the natural talent we hope, they need to earn some snaps. We already know that Golden's first class of defensive linemen is laden with JAGs and busts (Pierre, Grimble, Smith, Williams, King, Felix). I have higher hopes for the 2012 group, but I'm concerned.

One play in particular summed up the state of defensive line for me 11 in the video below). We're down 7-0. Shayon Green is lined up at "rush" defensive end, even though he isn't much of a pass rusher at all. But because more gifted rushers like Tyriq McCord and Gabe Terry are strength liabilities against KSU's running game, we are forced to rotate Green and Kelvin Cain-- two guys Shannon recruited to play linebacker.

KSU runs a simple QB power with Klein--a classic, smash mouth running play. Green is lined up on the right (offense's left) against Zach Trujillo, a 236-pound sophomore tight end (#85). On paper, it should be a good matchup for the jacked-up Green against a receiving tight end. Instead, Trujillo manhandles Green and clears a wide open line for Klein:

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[video=youtube;YHBFyFGLQlI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHBFyFGLQlI[/video]

The sad truth is that Golden had more defensive line talent at Temple than he has at the University of Miami. Let that sink in, and then join me in jumping out of a window. Chickillo is the only quality player, and he might be scraping his ceiling more than we want to admit. I know Golden likes to raise his players from pups, but he may need to do what Butch did and scour the JUCOs. Miami's championship breakthrough in 2001 coincided with the addition of guys like Jerome McDougle, Andrew Williams and even Cornelius Green.

- So will we have a losing record? The main difference I see between this group and the last sub-500 team (2007) is talent on offense. Then again, that talent didn't score touchdowns today. Count me in with the group that wants to see Morris under center more often. He has a quick, efficient dropback and is not a natural shotgun quarterback like Jacory. Most importantly, the running game needs a boost. Mike James in particular (81 yards, 3.5 ypc through two games) is struggling.

- Morris hit his targets all day, but his red-zone struggles are a concern. For all of Jacory's flaws, he was a constant TD threat once he crossed the 25 and really took advantage of his feathery touch. Morris is weak on those type of throws and was unable to lead a touchdown drive against an average KSU defense.

- Brandon McGee could be this year's Jake Wieclaw/Tommy Streeter. He fought off a block and made a touchdown-saving tackle in the first half, and his interception was the type of play he's never made in a UM uniform. If he keeps it up, he could earn himself an NFL opportunity.

- I feel good about the future of the linebacker position. Eddie Johnson's head was swimming early on, but he makes up for his inexperience with motor and physical beastliness. Pair him with Perryman and some talented youngsters like Terry and Kirby and we just might look like a Miami linebacker corps soon. One more thing: let's stop with the excessive subs of the 'backers. They did the same thing last week and it's not working, especially when Gaines relieves Perryman.

Sadly, a great post. I am higher on 52 than you, but agree that Chick is limited right now.

 

[tcgrad1014]

I don't see much of an upside from Mike James at this point. He's another JAG.

 

[AUcane]

The defensive line is going to take at least another 2 years to stock up on talent that can also contribute regularly. I don't care how many great DT's we recruit in 2013, they aren't going to be able to consistently contribute until they "grow that mustache". So you're looking at a long term project regardless UNLESS you go JUCO, which we've resisted thus far.

Stop ****ing resisting. If the 2001 team made use of the JC route, it's time to get down and dirty with guys who can't spell P-O-T-A-T-O.

It doesn't make sense to me why they've resisted. We need two star JuCo DEs worse than anything. We'd be a totally different team with Vernon and Ojomo.

It's all about building his culture and avoiding bad seeds. And I genuinely get his point. As much as McDougle/Williams gave us a boost in 2001, they were some of the biggest culprits of the laissez faire mentality of the 2002 team.

But it's gotten to the point where he has no choice.

True, and let's be real...for every Jmac and Awill, there are countless Alton wright types.

 

[DiegoCane]

Pause it at the 12 second mark. They have 8 blockers for Klein. We have 4 down linemen and 2 LB's six yards off the ball. They are 6 yards away from the ball.

and we have a safety playing at the bottom of the screen for no ***king reason

Exactly. Defense is math and geography. Get the right numbers in the right place.

I was laughing and horrified today at certain points in the game. I was rewinding, pausing to show people watching the game with me, who probably cared less, when they had 6 guys on the line, QB (running threat), and RB and we had 6 in the box. 6 > 8 last time I checked and we got absolutely gashed every time.

Yes our defensive talent/depth isn't there (especially upperclassman) but we need to be far more aggressive and attack. I understand our limitations, understand we can't "blitz and play man" every play but we need to show some aggression.