Timing is everything

Truly feels like a win-win scenario. Both guys would succeed here, it just depends on what you'd prefer. As has been stated, Mario would give us seemingly more long term stability, build up the trenches, recruit well, be a good fit culturally, etc..... Lane would be able to maximize what we have currently at a quicker pace, have our offense humming in no time, instill that "jerk" mentality we've been missing for a long time, etc...


I'm team Mario currently but if we land either guy, I will be absolutely ecstatic.
I’m with you, I think both would be successful.

My thing is I think we’d be more likely to win a title with Mario, and frankly that’s what we’re all here for. I think we’d be more likely to win the ACC and have a 11-12 win season next year with Lane but unless Jake stays I don’t think it’d be as sustainable. Mario would probably be a 7-8 win team next year but In 2-3 years I think we’re a consistent top 10 team. We’re coming up on 20 years since #6 was stolen from us, I can wait 2-3 years if it means sustained success, the Miami roller coaster is gonna kill me if it continues much longer.
 
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Well…I don’t think it’s that difficult either. It’s like being in love with an “involved” woman. You let her know that she’s the one, but you respect the fact that she is committed to her family. You both are just waiting on her kid to graduate high school before she leaves dude with a clear conscience… In the meantime…she knows I gotta do me, but this chick is just a “meantime in between time” situation…
This thread may have jumped the shark early......
 
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This thread may have jumped the shark early......
Lol. No it didn’t. I’m guessing you are in the “Mario camp, eh? Typical and expected response, if so? You can’t deny that BOTH are great options….just at different time intervals. Just agree to disagree and keep it moving, young warrior…
 
The great debate right now amongst fellow Canes fans is, inarguably, whether Mario or Lane should be the next coach of our beloved Hurricanes. I have witnessed great cases/arguments made in support of each candidate’s bid for the gig.

It basically boils down to (3) main points of contention; 1). Tenure/“program building”. How long will each coach stay? 2). Recruiting. Who’s the better recruiter? Who can stack the type of talent needed to take the next step? And 3). Coaching. Quite simply, who’s the better game day, X’s and O’s guy? When listening to the arguments either way, I’ve come to the conclusion that everyone is basically correct? The main thing causing the rift amongst us is “timing”. Both of these coaches will, I believe, do very well at Miami, but at different times.

To the first point, tenure/program building, the general consensus has been that Mario would have a longer tenure here, thereby providing stability and build up the program via recruiting and the like. Conversely, the general consensus has been that Kiffin is more of a journeyman and will only stay a few years before he’s off to the NFL. Ok. Here’s the complexity regarding this particular point. 1). Will Mario feel comfortable leaving his kids and what he’s built at Oregon before his vision has reached fruition? Will Mario feel comfortable prematurely leaving a program that has seemingly given him everything he’s needed to compete? It’s both a question of loyalty and accomplishment of personal and professional goals. Conversely, there’s no complexity when it comes to Kiffin. He will probably be at Miami for a maximum (4) years and bounce for a better opportunity. But that would almost certainly mean that he’s had success at Miami. Kiffin is eager to return to south Florida and take a very sharp weapon to the collective throat of cfb. His mind is clear and there’s no vacillation of any sort.

To the second point, recruiting. Again, the general consensus is that Mario is the better recruiter. I think the fan base is correct on this point also (although Kiffin isn’t exactly a slouch in this department). I, too, believe Mario will get better players (and more of them) to commit to the Canes. But I, and many others here, also subscribe to the fact that winning is actually the BEST recruiter and point of recruiting has a natural correlation to point (3)-coaching. Again, comes down to timing. Who’s the better game day coach? General consensus? Lane is definitely a better tactician on the sideline. Some believe Mario does less with more (out recruited his competitors, yet struggles with inferior competition) and Kiffin has proven that he can do more with less (see last nights results in relation to this season). So what does all of this have to do with timing? Most of you guys are super smart and already see where I’m going with this- BOTH coaches need to be hired to coach here…but at different times.

Lane needs to be our next coach. Period. Why? Because of point 1). Tenure. While Mario will stay and build up the program, he is not a game day savant and will need exceptional talent to bridge the gap in coaching acumen. He will need time…and WILL drop games early on that he should win. We are an impatient bunch and simply are out of patience after what we’ve endured over the last 15 years or so. As soon as he loses to one of the Tobacco Road teams, the “mopes v. Slurpers” schism is instantly reconstituted and it’s on and poppin’, lol. “Mario’s a corch!” and we are, once again, cobbling together funds to fly banners. Bad timing. But Lane will win RIGHT AWAY. We will NOT drop games to lesser comp and by year 3, I solidly believe we will be a lethal, legit team and in the playoffs. We return to the top and recruiting takes off…but so does kiffin- but only after we have #6 in the trophy case. Meanwhile, in the Pacific Northwest, Mario has honored his commitment to both himself, and the Oregon program. After continuing to cut his teeth on the PAC 12, he has since become a better game day coach, and has come to the realization that he simply can’t win it all at Oregon. He is watching what Lane is doing at Miami. Lane leaves for the NFL and Mario, without any consternation or regret, finally comes home to a program abuzz AND a stacked roster. This will enable Mario/Miami to maintain success and respectability (i.e. not dropping games to any sh1tty ACC teams not named Clemson) while he continues to grow as a coach and stack talent on his way to building another Canes dynasty. He doesn’t instantly have this insane pressure to win big right away because we, as a fan base, will be still be somewhat satiated by just having won it all couple of years earlier and thus, we don’t “eat our own”. Mario is able to ease into the job and the energy of the program is just…right.

Timing is, indeed everything. Lane first. Mario second. We all win.

Good Take.
 
I keep seeing people say that if Lane is hired he will leave in 3-4 years for a better job…..I ask this question.

If Lane is doing as well as we think he will do how many jobs are better out there than a Miami job when the program is thriving.

You have a National brand unlike most others.You’re sitting in the middle of a tri-county area second to none for talent and the Miami areas offers as many if not more opportunities when it comes to NIL to entice said talent.

So where is Lane or any coach for that matter leaving for.It used to be Coaches would run to the NFL because of the money.That’s not the case anymore with contracts being pretty much on par with NFL contracts.Also in the NFL when you’re hired your clock starts ticking as to when you will be fired whereas in college you can stay at a school as long as you like if your winning on a consistent basis.How many long tenured coaches are there in the NFL for more than 5-6 years? If you’re winning in college you can get by with a down season every now and then.You don’t have this luxury in the pros cause owners don’t allow it.

So I mean the money would pretty much be the same OR better.It’s a lot easier to stay winning cause you can replace 20-25 players a year if players don’t work out as to opposed to having 6-8 draft picks and having a salary cap to contend with plus and this is a big plus…you’re not having to uproot your family every 5-6 years.

So where’s he going?
 
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I keep seeing people say that if Lane is hired he will leave in 3-4 years for a better job…..I ask this question.

If Lane is doing as well as we think he will do how many jobs are better out there than a Miami job when the program is thriving.

You have a National brand unlike most others.You’re sitting in the middle of a tri-county area second to none for talent and the Miami areas offers as many if not more opportunities when it comes to NIL to entice said talent.

So where is Lane or any coach for that matter leaving for.It used to be Coaches would run to the NFL because of the money.That’s not the case anymore with contracts being pretty much on par with NFL contracts.Also in the NFL when you’re hired your clock starts ticking as to when you will be fired whereas in college you can stay at a school as long as you like if your winning on a consistent basis.How many long tenured coaches are there in the NFL for more than 5-6 years? If you’re winning in college you can get by with a down season every now and then.You don’t have this luxury in the pros cause owners don’t allow it.

So I mean the money would pretty much be the same OR better.It’s a lot easier to stay winning cause you can replace 20-25 players a year if players don’t work out as to opposed to having 6-8 draft picks and having a salary cap to contend with plus and this is a big plus…you’re not having to uproot your family every 5-6 years.

So where’s he going?
Going back to the NFL is sometimes about more than money.
 
Rare time of either of Mario or Lane would be good choices. I agree that lane won’t be here for longer than 4 years regardless of how successful he is here, I just think he is going to job hop from place to place.
 
I’ll say it again. Especially for the Lane people. This is Mario’s job until it isn’t. No other candidate is being considered until Cristobal says no fifty times.
So why don't they have an answer yet? We've been told this has been in the works for awhile and the Columbus Crew want Mario. Has he said no only 5 times? Not sure what he's waiting on if his boys are gonna give him everything we wants.
 
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So why don't they have an answer yet? We've been told this has been in the works for awhile and the Columbus Crew want Mario. Has he said no only 5 times? Not sure what he's waiting on if his boys are gonna give him everything we wants.
Mario isn’t leaving Oregon until after the Pac-12 Championship. He also has an excellent relationship with the school and Phil Knight. He would want to leave on good terms prior to going anywhere else. IMHO Mario is coming. That’s just my feel, I’m not an insider nor would I claim to be one. It just makes to much sense right now for him not to come. Three reasons why:

1) Mario’s interviewed for the job multiple times before; 2010 and 2015. Was also very interested in 2018 prior to Blake hiring Manny. For the first time, he has all the leverage in this potential transaction. He will set the terms.

2) Family wants to be back in Miami. He has two young kids and his wife has wanted to be back here for awhile.

3) This has always been his dream job. He will have the best resourced and supported UM football program ever. He’d have a chance to turn around his alma mater. He can be Miami’s Saban (in that he can be a lifer here and get us back to consistently winning; NOT saying he’s Saban or would win like him).

Is Oregon the better program right now? Yes. Do they have more resources? Yes. But, Mario would be sitting in a talent epicenter. He’d also have none of the money issues that typically plague us. He’d have some key pieces on O coming in, especially at QB. He would kill it in recruiting and stack talent (which we badly need). Coming home and saving his alma mater, with an excellent salary to boot, is to good an opportunity imho.
 
Mario isn’t leaving Oregon until after the Pac-12 Championship. He also has an excellent relationship with the school and Phil Knight. He would want to leave on good terms prior to going anywhere else. IMHO Mario is coming. That’s just my feel, I’m not an insider nor would I claim to be one. It just makes to much sense right now for him not to come. Three reasons why:

1) Mario’s interviewed for the job multiple times before; 2010 and 2015. Was also very interested in 2018 prior to Blake hiring Manny. For the first time, he has all the leverage in this potential transaction. He will set the terms.

2) Family wants to be back in Miami. He has two young kids and his wife has wanted to be back here for awhile.

3) This has always been his dream job. He will have the best resourced and supported UM football program ever. He’d have a chance to turn around his alma mater. He can be Miami’s Saban (in that he can be a lifer here and get us back to consistently winning; NOT saying he’s Saban or would win like him).

Is Oregon the better program right now? Yes. Do they have more resources? Yes. But, Mario would be sitting in a talent epicenter. He’d also have none of the money issues that typically plague us. He’d have some key pieces on O coming in, especially at QB. He would kill it in recruiting and stack talent (which we badly need). Coming home and saving his alma mater, with an excellent salary to boot, is to good an opportunity imho.
I didn't ask, why doesn't he leave now? I asked, why don't they have an answer yet? What is he waiting on as far as giving them an answer? But you said you're not an insider so you wouldn't be expected to know. Cool, no problem.
 
I didn't ask, why doesn't he leave now? I asked, why don't they have an answer yet? What is he waiting on as far as giving them an answer? But you said you're not an insider so you wouldn't be expected to know. Cool, no problem.
He could have very well given them an answer. I doubt we’d know if he did.
 
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It’s been reported, and before that, said to me and now on the board by someone who knows Aranda, that he’d be interested in the UM job, though it’s now been reported that he’ll sign an extension in the coming weeks.

Guys, regardless, this is a great moment potentially - Mario, Kiffin, Aranda (if tapped before an extension) - possibly Stoops (high buyout) all interested at least - and the money to properly equip them with staffing and recruiting.
Still don’t get the Aranda fascination. He’s been a HC for two years with a combined record of 11-9. Went 2-7 his first year. Baylor went 11-3 the year before. I guess he’s just the new flavor of the month, but the jury is still out on him,
 
He could have very well given them an answer. I doubt we’d know if he did.
We've got plenty of loose lips here who have at least a fleeting connection to those who say they know things. I wouldn't assume those guys could keep it off the board if they thought it was a done deal but maybe you're right
 
Still don’t get the Aranda fascination. He’s been a HC for two years with a combined record of 11-9. Went 2-7 his first year. Baylor went 11-3 the year before. I guess he’s just the new flavor of the month, but the jury is still out on him,
Mario and Kiddin have more track record and are less of a gamble that way. That’s probably why he’d be after them in priority at this point. Still a strong defensive coach.
 
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