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I love this place. You could post a picture of a globe on CIS and people would still see this.

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OrangeBowlMagic said:
I really liked Rooster out of HS. Like, a LOT. And he is still a very good player and can be a major weapon for us. But I think this ends the debate of how good of an inside runner he was last year and probably puts him behind the 8 ball as far as a pure RB in our pecking order. Check out the tweet below.

What this is telling you, is of all the returning P5 backs, he was dead last in YPC on plays that were poorly blocked. Which is what the people stanning for him were saying. The run blocking sucked, he had no chance, etc. But when other backs had poor blocking, every single retuning P5 back was better. All of them.

OK, he’s not great when the line doesn’t help him much. But what about when he has a well blocked play in front of him? Uhhh, not great there as well. 2nd worst YPC in the P5. Bottom left on this chart is….not good. And he’s wayyyy in a class by himself.

This is one of the reasons why I’ve been saying he needs to be put into better situations. I think he should play slot WR or be involved in 2 back sets where he can get the ball on the edges and/or used in the passing game. Especially with the depth of the room. Look at Parrish on this chart also. Not exceptional, but MUCH better than Rooster on making something out of nothing.

Rooster can help us a ton here. But it can’t be how he was used last year (and yes, I realize last year it was out of necessity. But still. Gattis has to recognize what he does and does not do well.)

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He's DEEP in that quadrant...****.

And most people here would call anyone near there...like Vincent Davis...an absolute scrub...a bum.

That's hard times.
 
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scrantoncane said:
Line Yards - essentially rushing yards attributed to the success of the OL

Opportunity Rate - The percentage of carries (when four yards are available) that gain at least four yards, i.e. the percentage of carries in which the line does its job, so to speak.

Power Success Rate - percentage of runs on third or fourth down, two yards or less to go, that achieved a first down or touchdown.

Stuff Rate - percentage of carries by running backs that are stopped at or before the line of scrimmage.

Miami 2021 rankings (# represents UM finishing position out of 130 teams):

Line Yards - 96
Opp. Rate - 117
Power Success Rate - 110
Stuff Rate - 109

2021 Miami had an OL problem, not a RB problem


2021 COLLEGE FOOTBALL OFFENSIVE LINE STATS | Football Outsiders

Updated through 1/11/22.
www.footballoutsiders.com www.footballoutsiders.com
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Great Stats.
If I’m understanding Opportunity Rate, that 117 ranking isn’t the best endorsement for our RB’s
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
He might be (and can be) as long as he doesn’t have 85% of his touches between the tackles.
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Except half of Knighton's carries last year came outside the tackles.....and his numbers were worse outside

People will keep banging on OL & Scheme - but the simple fact is Knighton has to improve his running style. That tweet makes that fact painfully obvious.

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bshaw28 said:
Except half of Knighton's carries last year came outside the tackles.....and his numbers were worse outside

People will keep banging on OL & Scheme - but the simple fact is Knighton has to improve his running style. That tweet makes that fact painfully obvious.

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Good info. Definitely did not know that. So he was awful when plays were blocked well. Awful when they were blocked poorly. Awful inside the tackles. Awful outside the tackles. Sheesh. Not even remotely giving up on this kid, the splash plays he’s had so far in 2 years have been big-time, but there’s some pretty damning evidence that he’s not an exceptional player. Again, maybe in space against backers and safeties in the passing game is where he can make his mark the most.
 
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NJshoreCane said:
Great Stats.
If I’m understanding Opportunity Rate, that 117 ranking isn’t the best endorsement for our RB’s
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It’s an indictment on the OL.

“When 4 yards are available” means it has to be 2nd & 6, 3rd & 5, etc.

For example, if it was 2nd & 3, 4 yards are not available. Only 3 yards are.
 
If Trevonte Citizen can step in and play up to his potential as a true freshman, it'll take this offense to another level. He's ready physically.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
Good info. Definitely did not know that. So he was awful when plays were blocked well. Awful when they were blocked poorly. Awful inside the tackles. Awful outside the tackles. Sheesh. Not even remotely giving up on this kid, the splash plays he’s had so far in 2 years have been big-time, but there’s some pretty damning evidence that he’s not an exceptional player. Again, maybe in space against backers and safeties in the passing game is where he can make his mark the most.
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To be honest, when watching him, he's not a zone runner, inside or outside.
He's to a great plant a go upfield, but in a zone scheme you have to be patient and then blast as you probably already know.
Gattis/Cristobal are using both point of attack and zone schemes, which I think would benefit Rooster since it defines the hole your running to (i.e., inside trap, ctr Trey, etc.) And he can follow a lead blocker and hide and blast when needed.

Cam'ron was bar at inside zone, the backside cutback (i.e., off the *** of the backside tackle) we open so often and he ran into a tackler. The runners we generally had and still have are main downhillers, so POA style running game SHOULD benefit it from a running back talent perspective.
Now can the OL perform those styles? Different conversation entirely.
 
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OrangeBowlMagic said:
Good info. Definitely did not know that. So he was awful when plays were blocked well. Awful when they were blocked poorly. Awful inside the tackles. Awful outside the tackles. Sheesh. Not even remotely giving up on this kid, the splash plays he’s had so far in 2 years have been big-time, but there’s some pretty damning evidence that he’s not an exceptional player. Again, maybe in space against backers and safeties in the passing game is where he can make his mark the most.
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Yeah – basically if a RB isn’t good there’s only so much the scheme & OL can do to help. Unfortunately, Knighton hasn’t been very good at running the ball.

I 100% agree – no reason to give up on him. His speed is special so he’ll always be a threat, and he’s shown to be a weapon in the passing game. Ultimately a pass catching specialist is probably his best role.

I'm still hoping he can change his style. I hope he tries to be more elusive vs trying to win with power & gets a little bigger/stronger to break more arm tackles.

But IMO it’s going to take some re-invention to his game that while possible, is going to be tough. I don’t think he’ll have the same benefit of the doubt he had with the last staff, and with other talented RB’s, he’ll have to show he’s made those changes pretty quickly.
 
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The RB competition this Fall will be INTENSE...

We essentially 5 potential starters & even in a run heavy system, at most 3 RB’s will get the bulk of the carries.

Michigan had Hassan Haskins, Blake Corum & Donovan Edwards last year, even Northern Illinois who ran the ball almost 650 times only had 3 primary RB’s getting a majority of the carries (although they also had a Fullback who rushed for 461yds).

Kent ST had a 4 RB system plus their QB Dustin Crum rushed for 703yds himself, North Texas had a 4 RB system & a running QB as well, Coastal Carolina was similar with that style of offense running the Wing-T Pistol.

Funny enough, the only P5 offense that successfully operated a 4-RB system was Arkansas lol

It will be interesting to see how the carries are divvied up between Knighton, Parrish, Franklin, Chaney & Citizen
(sounds like a law firm lol)

We might just need to go full Air Force/Army style & run the ball 68 times a game lol (I ked I ked)
 
Liberty City El said:
The RB competition this Fall will be INTENSE...

We essentially 5 potential starters & even in a run heavy system, at most 3 RB’s will get the bulk of the carries.

Michigan had Hassan Haskins, Blake Corum & Donovan Edwards last year, even Northern Illinois who ran the ball almost 650 times only had 3 primary RB’s getting a majority of the carries (although they also had a Fullback who rushed for 461yds).

Kent ST had a 4 RB system plus their QB Dustin Crum rushed for 703yds himself, North Texas had a 4 RB system & a running QB as well, Coastal Carolina was similar with that style of offense running the Wing-T Pistol.

Funny enough, the only P5 offense that successfully operated a 4-RB system was Arkansas lol

It will be interesting to see how the carries are divvied up between Knighton, Parrish, Franklin, Chaney & Citizen
(sounds like a law firm lol)

We might just need to go full Air Force/Army style & run the ball 68 times a game lol (I ked I ked)
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Is Chaney fully back? This is his money year, I hope he doesn't rush it like King did.
 
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