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This is sneaky great Transfer Portal Class

DemCanes10 said:
His coach is a NFL HOFer who has major NFL influence which also matters. As a person who has been drafted before in a sport, I can tell you they evaluate you on your character and coaching ability more than talent. If you can play you can play but if I can’t guide or you’re not receptive to coaching they will pass.

This is the first full recruiting class draft so it will speak volumes on our progression. I think you are speaking in matter of facts as if you know he won’t be a first rounder, saying he is to short, to slow and not good enough.

I will say this, no regular 18 year old human being hip tossing a grown man over 300 pounds like that and just be a decent player. He is a lot stronger and better than you think.

It’s a weird hill to die on in the late spring.
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NFL HOF’er does not have any relevance to coaching ability and honestly JT has more to prove as a coach than anyone on the staff right now.

JT’s only draft pick in 2 years as a coach is Tyler Baron, who was projected 2 rounds higher than he ended up going before he came to Miami.

Im not dying on any hill. If Bain comes out wrecking people and looks like a different dude, I’ll tell you and I’ll change my tune and eat crow. I’ve done it many times on things I’ve been more adamant about. I saw him in 2024 and I saw him this spring. He lost weight but he still doesn’t really move like a 1st round DE. Hes strong as ****, but that’s entirely negated in the NFL when every OL in the league is stronger than he is and weighs 45-75 more pounds. I promise he isn’t lifting an NFL OT off the ground like he did against Clemson.

I’m not being THAT critical and you’re overreacting to my comment. I just said in D$ post that he probably starts on every team in America or at least 60 of the 65 P4 teams, comfortably.

He missed his window to be a full time 3T and that was his only path to be a 1st round pick…. In my humble opinion, of course. He can produce all he wants, talent and production aren’t the question. The league moves further from tweeners every year and he’s at the position that values traits more than production than any other position. He’s not going to test like Shemar Stewart, but he will have more sacks in the first 6 games of 2025 than Stewart had in his career.
 
I will say... the biggest plus for this transfer class is that we didn't really lose anyone of significance other than Horton.
 
I think the class is sneaky good because improvement and depth have been added in all three phases.
Special teams especially. We have guys we can put out there on kickoffs and punts that will finally put some fear into opposing special teams coaches.
 
DemCanes10 said:
His coach is a NFL HOFer who has major NFL influence which also matters. As a person who has been drafted before in a sport, I can tell you they evaluate you on your character and coaching ability more than talent. If you can play you can play but if I can’t guide or you’re not receptive to coaching they will pass.

This is the first full recruiting class draft so it will speak volumes on our progression. I think you are speaking in matter of facts as if you know he won’t be a first rounder, saying he is to short, to slow and not good enough.

I will say this, no regular 18 year old human being hip tossing a grown man over 300 pounds like that and just be a decent player. He is a lot stronger and better than you think.

It’s a weird hill to die on in the late spring.
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I didn't know the circus had a draft. Congratulations on being drafted into clown college. I can see you majored in Bull****ology
 
JayCane20 said:
NFL HOF’er does not have any relevance to coaching ability and honestly JT has more to prove as a coach than anyone on the staff right now.

JT’s only draft pick in 2 years as a coach is Tyler Baron, who was projected 2 rounds higher than he ended up going before he came to Miami.

Im not dying on any hill. If Bain comes out wrecking people and looks like a different dude, I’ll tell you and I’ll change my tune and eat crow. I’ve done it many times on things I’ve been more adamant about. I saw him in 2024 and I saw him this spring. He lost weight but he still doesn’t really move like a 1st round DE. Hes strong as ****, but that’s entirely negated in the NFL when every OL in the league is stronger than he is and weighs 45-75 more pounds. I promise he isn’t lifting an NFL OT off the ground like he did against Clemson.

I’m not being THAT critical and you’re overreacting to my comment. I just said in D$ post that he probably starts on every team in America or at least 60 of the 65 P4 teams, comfortably.

He missed his window to be a full time 3T and that was his only path to be a 1st round pick…. In my humble opinion, of course. He can produce all he wants, talent and production aren’t the question. The league moves further from tweeners every year and he’s at the position that values traits more than production than any other position. He’s not going to test like Shemar Stewart, but he will have more sacks in the first 6 games of 2025 than Stewart had in his career.
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Riiight, cause we all know bull rush moves don't work at the NFL level. Jared Verse certainly should never have gotten DROY...
 
Calinative said:
Riiight, cause we all know bull rush moves don't work at the NFL level. Jared Verse certainly should never have gotten DROY...
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If that’s the only counter point made for my entire comment then I think I’m onto something.

Of course an NFL caliber athlete can win with a bull rush. He’s not hitting an NFL tackle with a counter club move and lifting them off the ground like he did buddy at Clemson.

Bain is not Verse. Totally different player. Comparing a guy with 9.5, 9, and 9 sacks in 3 years. A literal pass rush specialist with speed/twitch that Bain doesn’t have.

Bain is probably more effective against the run than Verse. Bain would thrive in a team that plays more odd MINT front alignment and lining up in a 4i. Verse could never do that, especially in the NFL.

Valuable/very good player. But he’s not the type of player teams are dying to draft first round. They’re all 6’4-6’6 250-260 and running a sub 4.6 40. That’s the only point I’m trying to make. It’s a different conversation if he was playing inside and getting 5-6-7 sacks as a 3T (like Kancey). His profile is more equipped to beat Guards in the NFL, not the caliber of athlete that is playing tackle.

I hope I’m putting too much stock in Bain’s 2024 and not enough into 2023 or we’re gonna have some disappointed fans.
 
JayCane20 said:
If that’s the only counter point made for my entire comment then I think I’m onto something.

Of course an NFL caliber athlete can win with a bull rush. He’s not hitting an NFL tackle with a counter club move and lifting them off the ground like he did buddy at Clemson.

Bain is not Verse. Totally different player. Comparing a guy with 9.5, 9, and 9 sacks in 3 years. A literal pass rush specialist with speed/twitch that Bain doesn’t have.

Bain is probably more effective against the run than Verse. Bain would thrive in a team that plays more odd MINT front alignment and lining up in a 4i. Verse could never do that, especially in the NFL.

Valuable/very good player. But he’s not the type of player teams are dying to draft first round. They’re all 6’4-6’6 250-260 and running a sub 4.6 40. That’s the only point I’m trying to make. It’s a different conversation if he was playing inside and getting 5-6-7 sacks as a 3T (like Kancey). His profile is more equipped to beat Guards in the NFL, not the caliber of athlete that is playing tackle.

I hope I’m putting too much stock in Bain’s 2024 and not enough into 2023 or we’re gonna have some disappointed fans.
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Well Pretty sure Bain is top 5 in pass rush win rate over last 2 years combined out of all P4 Edges. He is also top 5 in Run D grade. He had like top 5 most Pressures created as a true freshman in last like decade. So all this talk about Bain in 2024, people are acting like he was *** when he wasn't. He was still a good starting player and that was while playing through injury with a scheme that literally retardedly made our Edges/DTs run stunts 90 ******* percent of pass rush situations.

But my point with Verse is he as a "pass rush specialist " wasn't doing anything special besides absolutely ******* blowing OTs up and pushing them back with ease including lifting them off their feet - and this to mountain OTs and top OTs like Mialata lol. And he did it at what 260max? Of course dude has more speed which is a component of generating that type of power than Bain. But Bain has strong hands a strong *** anchor and has proven to just blow OTs up, and we aren't talking about just bums. The idea that Bain just won't win with power at the NFL level is ludicrous to me. Of course there are no guarantees, but to me Bain has the kind of power that absolutely can win at the next level against top OTs. Now maybe you say that TYPE of EDGE won't ever really be a 15+ sack guy, which I can agree with. But sacks are NOT how he should be judged. Bain will affect a **** load of plays. Blowing up and pushing back the OLine into the QB on a lot of pass snaps is pretty **** useful and impactful when it comes to winning games. As an example, I'd probably rather take the guy with 70 pressures and 12 sacks than the guy with 40 pressures and 18 sacks... Though if one guy is a "closer" that often gets that sack on crucial end of game situations, that could push the balance in the others favor...
 
JayCane20 said:
NFL HOF’er does not have any relevance to coaching ability and honestly JT has more to prove as a coach than anyone on the staff right now.

JT’s only draft pick in 2 years as a coach is Tyler Baron, who was projected 2 rounds higher than he ended up going before he came to Miami.

Im not dying on any hill. If Bain comes out wrecking people and looks like a different dude, I’ll tell you and I’ll change my tune and eat crow. I’ve done it many times on things I’ve been more adamant about. I saw him in 2024 and I saw him this spring. He lost weight but he still doesn’t really move like a 1st round DE. Hes strong as ****, but that’s entirely negated in the NFL when every OL in the league is stronger than he is and weighs 45-75 more pounds. I promise he isn’t lifting an NFL OT off the ground like he did against Clemson.

I’m not being THAT critical and you’re overreacting to my comment. I just said in D$ post that he probably starts on every team in America or at least 60 of the 65 P4 teams, comfortably.

He missed his window to be a full time 3T and that was his only path to be a 1st round pick…. In my humble opinion, of course. He can produce all he wants, talent and production aren’t the question. The league moves further from tweeners every year and he’s at the position that values traits more than production than any other position. He’s not going to test like Shemar Stewart, but he will have more sacks in the first 6 games of 2025 than Stewart had in his career.
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U see I dont buy the coach having X amount of draft picks as a determent of status or ability as a player. He just needs one team to fall in love with him. He has about 10 or so he was talking to at the combine and pro day. They are holding Francis in high regard as a top 10 pick and Bain wins often. Francis will test off the charts because he will be hands down the most athletic OL in this draft.

They asked Francis about him in his combine interviews also. They are doing their research. He didnt lose the weight by accident, everything he is doing this was told to him in lieu of the 2026 draft. He has been told he can go mid to late first round. If he is healthy and has a season like his freshmen year, it will be hard press not to see.

Glad you mentioned Shemar because knock on him was people didnt even know he was on the field because he doesnt produce. Even though Bain is smaller he is more productive, U must account for him and he makes plays.

The 3 Edge picks in this draft were 260 and Pearce was 245. Bain is 260-265 now and 6'3 so he is 2 inches shorter than Mykell Williams. We will see!!
 
On paper, it could be argued it's the best Portal class in the history of the Portal.

The only thing we really could've used was a true Backup QB, another DT & an OT.

But otherwise, we added depth at
RB
WR
TE
LB
CB,
Plus 2 starters at Safety & a starter at C.
 
Memnon said:
On paper, it could be argued it's the best Portal class in the history of the Portal.

The only thing we really could've used was a true Backup QB, another DT & an OT.

But otherwise, we added depth at
RB
WR
TE
LB
CB,
Plus 2 starters at Safety & a starter at C.
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Agree on the backup QB, though I don't think Dawson even looked at any. I guess after Poff, he decided to go with his existing bench over rolling the dice and potentially losing Williams. Definitely agree on DT! I don't see the need for another OT. Kinsler and Samson should be good enough, with McCoy able to move outside if needed.

You don't see the need for a WR1?
 
grover said:
Agree on the backup QB, though I don't think Dawson even looked at any. I guess after Poff, he decided to go with his existing bench over rolling the dice and potentially losing Williams. Definitely agree on DT! I don't see the need for another OT. Kinsler and Samson should be good enough, with McCoy able to move outside if needed.

You don't see the need for a WR1?
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Between CJ Daniels, JoJo Trader, Tony Johnson & Keelan Marion that is a WR1.

In more run centric Offense we don't need really need a "WR1".

The only reason why I think we could've used an OT, is there were some really good ones in both the Winter & Spring Portal, guys who IMO are better than Bell & our backups. Other than Mauigoa, we have mostly question marks at OT.
 
Juanmanuel V said:
How is Lb a Net Nuetral? With Toure & Bonner? Now you have Popo ,Pruitt a Wiley as depth players who expect to contribute but not Press to start.

Less Talented At Running Back?
Lyle was the most Talented of all the Rb/ Lofton Maybe 2nd.
Fletcher & Martinez Toss up
Marty Brown diffrent running back than Aj Allen But gives you a pass Protection & some of what you miss with Martinez Contact Balance & Tackle Breaking.

You have even seen Pringle & Hellcat yet.
From a Talent Standpoint
Add Marty Brown/ Lofton /Pringle +’HellCat > Martinez ,Aj Allen , Chris Johnson. Martinez was the only one of the Group that can Pass Block & Not get your Qb Killed. Brown & Lofton could Pringle may eventually be better that AJ Allen.
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I agreed with the LB assessment. RB is where you lost me. Lofton wasn’t the second best. Martinez was better than fletcher, doesn’t mean fletcher isn’t good though
 
No_Fly_Zone said:
Improved greatly at CB.
Improved a lot at S.
LB is a net neutral.
Less proven talent at DE.
Less proven talent at DT.

OL is a net neutral, but they'll be better.
RB is less talented.
QB is less talented.
WR has less proven talent & production.
TE is less talented.

Major step back at K.
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Agree with everything but LB. It’s a downgrade imo.
 
Hurracanes said:
Agree with everything but LB. It’s a downgrade imo.
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Please expand. Downgrade because of Kiko? Because he's the only guy who left, everyone else is back and we added Toure and Bonner. Was he more athletically gifted than his likely replacement, Toure? Probably. But did he perform that way last season? What will the resultson the field be.

On a related note, I gather you knew D Nich and Guidry. Do you think Hetherman's scheme is more or less friendly to the LBs and they will develop and perfomr better or worse as a unit than in 2024?
 
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