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TemplarCane said:
By this logic should any team that won the Super Bowl as a wildcard playoff participant have asterisk with their championship? They’ve been a number of things who lost a few games early went on a roll and ended up with a Lombardi trophy.

I do agree 20 teams is too many. I will say that four teams is too few. In the past, you could say the teams among the four CFP participants were usually an almost always the four best teams. But this was an era when allowed cheating by the SEC paved the road to win championships with near impunity.

This past season eventual national champion and two-loss Ohio State was the eighth seed. Were they not the best team by the end of the year? Would they have been in the final four on the old CFP format? Unlikely.
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I have no issue with a 2 loss OSU winning the NC in a 12 team playoff last year.

2007 LSU was different. They didn’t play in a playoff, they were picked over two other P5 teams with better records and LSU had bad losses.

Here’s the difference with the NFL. There is no contrived preseason poll elevating SEC and Big10 teams by virtue of their conference, nor is there an arbitrary selection committee selecting teams without following any concrete criteria.

In the NFL, you win your division, you’re in. Have the next best records, you’re a wildcard. All NFL teams play a large % of the rest of the NFL teams during the regular season.
You don’t have the Dolphins playing 3 semi-pro games while the Bills play 1 semi-pro team nor do you have a selection committee picking the Bills over the Browns because their division is perceived to be stronger. Everything in the NFL is carved in stone before the season begins.

My point about a 4 loss overrated SEC/Big10 team, is that we know **** well their would be other teams left out of a 20 team playoff because of bias.

20 teams is too many, it disregards the regular season.

Personally, back in the day on Grassy, I advocated an 8 team playoff, years before a CFP was even conceived. 12 teams isn’t far from that. IMO 4 teams was good but not perfect because of the bias of the selection committees.

When was the last time an NFL team went undefeated and was left out of the playoffs because their QB got injured?

The only undefeated NFL team in history played 2/3 of its games with an elderly backup QB.
 
DMoney said:
Four is the right number. Every real controversy in college football history is solved by four teams. And in most years, that’s overkill.

Expanding the playoffs was always a bad idea and it gets worse every year.
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Six was always my number, but I feel you

Four teams handles things in 7-8 out of every 10 years. Going to six means you almost never leave out a deserving team and you don't give third and fourth chances to teams
 
Memnon said:
They lost their QB, they weren't one of the 4 best teams in the country at that point.

That's not a justification to expand to 12 teams.
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How do we really know?
And don’t point to the Orange Bowl game FSU played, because half the team opted out.

What if Hurts had been injured in the SEC CG in 2018. Would Bama have been left out? Tua was relatively unknown.
If they had, and we know they wouldn’t, because the selection committee wouldn’t have applied the same logic, as they did with the Noles.
But let’s say they had been left out because the unknown made them drop out of the “best four” at the time. The eventual NC would not have been the best team, right?

Ignoring the referee help Bama got in that NC, of course.
 
RF-4CCane said:
How do we really know?
And don’t point to the Orange Bowl game FSU played, because half the team opted out.

What if Hurts had been injured in the SEC CG in 2018. Would Bama have been left out? Tua was relatively unknown.
If they had, and we know they wouldn’t, because the selection committee wouldn’t have applied the same logic, as they did with the Noles.
But let’s say they had been left out because the unknown made them drop out of the “best four” at the time. The eventual NC would not have been the best team, right?

Ignoring the referee help Bama got in that NC, of course.
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The 4 team playoff committee had team injury as a factor to include in their decision. It is no longer available as a reason to keep a team out. It's a moot point now.
 
TruCane81 said:
College football is the only team sport in the world where you can win your conference/division and have no shot at the big dance. It’s corruption, hypocrisy, and elitism in its purest form.

The number was always 16. Conference winners gets automatic bids and 5 at large ( well before the Pac12 died anyways). Use the old BCS formula to select at large bids ( good mix of human eye test and “unbiased” computers).

Don’t want to see the G5 champs in? Fine. Break them off and give them their own playoff. We complain about the corruption and good ole boy network but then support the fruit of its treachery when we are in a favorable position.
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I want to be blessed by the fruit of the treachery of the good ole boy network(s).
 
DMoney said:
Four is the right number. Every real controversy in college football history is solved by four teams. And in most years, that’s overkill.

Expanding the playoffs was always a bad idea and it gets worse every year.
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You are indisputably the one when it comes to Canes coverage @DMoney ... but **** I could not possibly agree less in this instance.

Every other major team sport (or any level of football) in this country requires its champion to run the playoff gauntlet.

This whole "preserving the santicty of the regular season" is some antiquated FBS bull**** because those profiting from the bowl system have paid off the college decision-makers. Nothing more, nothing less.

It's a similar sort of mindset that the Pac-12 (and soon enough the ACC) getting stripped for parts is a tragedy. "Change is bad, blah blah blah" Those two JV conferences run by people with "one foot in, one foot" when it came/comes to big-time College Football have gotten/will get exactly what they deserve.
 
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RF-4CCane said:
I have no issue with a 2 loss OSU winning the NC in a 12 team playoff last year.

2007 LSU was different. They didn’t play in a playoff, they were picked over two other P5 teams with better records and LSU had bad losses.

Here’s the difference with the NFL. There is no contrived preseason poll elevating SEC and Big10 teams by virtue of their conference, nor is there an arbitrary selection committee selecting teams without following any concrete criteria.

In the NFL, you win your division, you’re in. Have the next best records, you’re a wildcard. All NFL teams play a large % of the rest of the NFL teams during the regular season.
You don’t have the Dolphins playing 3 semi-pro games while the Bills play 1 semi-pro team nor do you have a selection committee picking the Bills over the Browns because their division is perceived to be stronger. Everything in the NFL is carved in stone before the season begins.

My point about a 4 loss overrated SEC/Big10 team, is that we know **** well their would be other teams left out of a 20 team playoff because of bias.

20 teams is too many, it disregards the regular season.

Personally, back in the day on Grassy, I advocated an 8 team playoff, years before a CFP was even conceived. 12 teams isn’t far from that. IMO 4 teams was good but not perfect because of the bias of the selection committees.

When was the last time an NFL team went undefeated and was left out of the playoffs because their QB got injured?

The only undefeated NFL team in history played 2/3 of its games with an elderly backup QB.
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You won’t get any arguments from me.

I understand the NFL is different because the NFL understands what’s best for the league is what’s best for the sport. College football has multiple conferences working against one another with no interest in what’s good for the sport overall. Unless they consider what’s better for them is better for the sport.

I also advocated for an eight team playoff before there was even the four team format. At the time there were five major conferences so my idea would’ve been the five conference winners, two at large participants, and the best G5 team.

In the scenario, five teams win their way into the playoff. It was that simple. Win and you’re in.

If the second best SEC or B1G or whomever team considers themselves deserving they can lobby for one of the available at large spots. None of this ‘tougher conference’ bull****. I wanted to add a G5 team because of potential legal issues not allowing the G5 to participate. If no problem, have three at large spots.

If Notre Dame complains they can join one of the five conferences or hope that they will be one of the at large participants.
 
TemplarCane said:
You won’t get any arguments from me.

I understand the NFL is different because the NFL understands what’s best for the league is what’s best for the sport. College football has multiple conferences working against one another with no interest in what’s good for the sport overall. Unless they consider what’s better for them is better for the sport.

I also advocated for an eight team playoff before there was even the four team format. At the time there were five major conferences so my idea would’ve been the five conference winners, two at large participants, and the best G5 team.

In the scenario, five teams win their way into the playoff. It was that simple. Win and you’re in.

If the second best SEC or B1G or whomever team considers themselves deserving they can lobby for one of the available at large spots. None of this ‘tougher conference’ bull****. I wanted to add a G5 team because of potential legal issues not allowing the G5 to participate. If no problem, have three at large spots.

If Notre Dame complains they can join one of the five conferences or hope that they will be one of the at large participants.
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So much to work with here...
 
Memnon said:
They 1,000% did not deserve to be in the playoffs because circumstances changed that made them a different team.

Losing your QB completely changes the makeup of your team, it would be the equivalent of if Miami went undefeated & lost Carson Beck right before the playoffs. Do you think Miami would win a playoff game with Emory Williams starting?

A 16 team playoff is as stupid as can be for College Football when teams only play a 12 game season with the potential to play 13 if they make their conference title game, which would end up being insignificant if you're going to have an overly expanded playoffs.

4 was perfect, 12, 16, 20+ is asinine.
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Can you name any other team sport where a single injury can eliminate a fully deserving team from even being in a playoff and a championship opportunity that they earned?

Whether I think we'd win or not I'd want the opportunity that the rest of the team worked their *** of to earn. Michigan just beat ohio st without a QB this yr lol.
 
Empirical Cane said:
So much to work with here...
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College football is a much different animal than it was 25 years ago.

As I wrote in another post, I believe or agree college football needs to split itself into more tiers.

Tier 1 is an expanded SEC and B1G. Miami needs to secure an invite into one of two expanded conferences or settle for being a lower tier product.

Tier 2 is the remnants of the ACC, Big 12, and whatever other programs they want to collect. They can have their own playoff and national championship just like the FCS and lower divisions.
 
Calinative said:
Can you name any other team sport where a single injury can eliminate a fully deserving team from even being in a playoff and a championship opportunity that they earned?

Whether I think we'd win or not I'd want the opportunity that the rest of the team worked their *** of to earn. Michigan just beat ohio st without a QB this yr lol.
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The problem with the CFP format is and was participants are voted in, or better yet voted out.

An FSU team voted into that playoff surely would’ve lost their first game. I think Bama lost to Michigan in the Rose Bowl. The Cheating Wolverines would’ve beaten the weaker Seminoles. The game would’ve been tougher than some may think. The Noles had a good defense and Michigan was not exactly sporting a Lamborghini offense. I think the cheaters would’ve beaten the injured by 17 to 21 points. Not 60.

That FSU surely would’ve lost should not matter. Many posters state the regular season needs to count, until it shouldn’t.

Disclaimer: It pains me to defend the Seminoles. I will qualify my statement by saying I enjoyed every minute of their 63-3 bowl loss. Even if it was to Georgia.
 
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DMoney said:
Four is the right number. Every real controversy in college football history is solved by four teams. And in most years, that’s overkill.

Expanding the playoffs was always a bad idea and it gets worse every year.
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Obvious consideration is the potential revenue that would be generated. No problem with conference title games going by the wayside as they’re in many cases no longer relevant. But the notion of a 20-plus team playoff is nothing but a revenue generator & bonanza for Disney & friends. Could probably pick 20 teams before the season ever kicks off, so the season would be virtually meaningless.
 
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