These people belong in jail

[Memnon]

Can you name any other team sport where a single injury can eliminate a fully deserving team from even being in a playoff and a championship opportunity that they earned?

Whether I think we'd win or not I'd want the opportunity that the rest of the team worked their *** of to earn. Michigan just beat ohio st without a QB this yr lol.

What does any other sport have to do with College Football?

FSU would've lost by at least 50 points if they played in the playoffs that year, which means they weren't one of the 4 best teams.

Which means the committee got it right they didn't put them in the playoffs because they were not good enough. And the reason why is because they lost the most important player on their team.

The point of the playoff is find a way to determine the best team in the Nation, FSU was not one of the best teams in the Nation after they lost their QB.

 

[TwentySix]

FSU would've lost by at least 50 points if they in the playoffs that year, which means they weren't one of the 4 best teams.

Which means the committee got it right

We LITERALLY have no idea if what you’re just stating as fact is correct. That’s the issue. FSU won 2 games after Travis went down. Didn’t lose a game all year. I am the furthest from the “I want FSU to be good for the sake of the rivalry” crowd you’ll find but them getting left out was complete bull**** and there is a zero percent chance an SEC school would’ve been left out in the same circumstance.

 

[Memnon]

Honestly it’s either 4 or 130 for me

The same argument being made for 16-20 could be used the whole way

But I’m just some ****head that didn’t get worked up debating if we were the 13th best team last year

Precisely.

Expanding the playoffs cheapens the playoffs.

The reason why the conferences are pushing for an expanded playoffs is to just load the playoffs with more of their own teams.

The B1G wants 20+ teams, so they can shoehorn 8-4 Wisconsin & Iowa teams in, which gives them more negotiating leverage for their TV deals.

A 16+ team playoff = 8 teams from the B1G & 8 teams from the SEC.

Which would ultimately justify them not having to schedule outside of their own conferences anymore.

 

[Memnon]

We LITERALLY have no idea if what you’re just stating as fact is correct. That’s the issue. FSU won 2 games after Travis went down. Didn’t lose a game all year. I am the furthest from the “I want FSU to be good for the sake of the rivalry” crowd you’ll find but them getting left out was complete bull**** and there is a zero percent chance an SEC school would’ve been left out in the same circumstance.

Were those two games they won against playoff caliber opponents?

So we're going to pretend UF & LVille were on the same level as UW, Texas & Bama?

FSU without Jordan Travis beats which playoff team?

 

[LuCane]

I feel there are some good arguments for an expansion to 8, but 4 is still a more sound number that puts the best incentives in place for all involved. If you can’t get into the 4, most of the time it’s on you.

 

[Golsen82]

Here's a really dumb bad idea...

How about ESPN & the AP just vote on who they think should be the preseason National Champion. Whoever gets the most votes is crowned the Champ throughout the season.

They don't play any games except the very last one. They get to spend the entire season just practicing & preparing to play whichever team ends up as the #1 contender.

The regular season goes on with every other team playing & competing to be the #1 contender, then whoever wins the playoffs gets to play the preseason Champion for the End-season National Championship.

If the Preseason Champion ends up winning the game & stays the National Champion, they retain the title & play a full schedule regular season the following year as the reigning Champion. The AP & ESPN will vote on who they think should be the #1 contender for the reigning Champion to have a chance to defend their title. If they win; they go back to the 1-game season format & wait for a contender.

If they lose, then whoever beat them gets the 1-game season to defend their title against a new #1 contender & the whole process starts all over again.

24-28 team playoff would completely destroy CFB. Playoff expansion has really been the source of what's killing this game, way more so than NIL & transfer portal.

They completely overdid it with 12 teams, 4 was absolutely perfect. There was no reason to move beyond 4. There's literally only one case in which any team ever had an argument that they got screwed by the committee during the 4-team voting & that was 2018 Oh ST the year Notre Dame got in & shellacked by Clemson.

Expanding the playoffs has been an over correction of the BCS era & is causing CFB to turn into the giant blob of garbage chasing after multi-billion dollar TV contracts that will ultimately be pawned off through streaming.

This why there's this huge push for Super Conferences; they're vulcanizing the game by trying to compact all of college football into one melding conference & essentially turning the entire season into a playoff tournament.

Well if you go by who has the best off season we've had won 8 years in a row

 

[simplycanes]

I don't even think there should be a regular season at all anymore, just an 88 team playoff with seeding decided based upon who won the off-season headlines.

 

[TRick72]

20+ Team playoffs???

 

[Golsen82]

While it would cut down on opt outs and the current irrelevancy of non playoff bowl games, the flip side is this.

2007 LSU- 2 loss mediocre team wins the NC because they got hot for two games despite losing two games to mediocre teams.

With a 20 game playoff, we could have a 4 loss overrated SEC/Big10 team get hot in December/January and win the NC over an undefeated team that had one bad game.

The regular season should count.

LSU was mediocre but I rather they won in '07 over Ohio Taint!

 

[Memnon]

The only thing expanding the playoffs does is give teams that actually have no business being there in the first place a chance to get embarrassed on a National stage.

You go to 16+ teams & all that's going to happen is a bunch of mid-tier B1G & SEC teams will get blown out by the top teams.

 

[CANESCANES]

College football is a Jimmy and Joes sport

It’s not a Cinderella sport

4 team playoff is the only number it should be

 

[Calinative]

wtf does that matter?

maybe over the hundreds of years sports have been played, that when there is like only one team sport that just decides a playoff team should no longer be elligible for the playoffs, then maybe the one sport that operates in that manner is the one doing it wrong...

 

[Trafficante]

Yeah, exactly, I’m saying those types of teams SHOULD get a shot. ESPECIALLY in the college game.

People act like the 4-team playoff was this magical format when literally the average margin victory of semi-final games was 17 points.

60% of ALL games played under the 4 team format were blowouts of 14 or more points.

The playoff has always had blowouts. That’s the nature of the beast (especially pre-portal). At least now you’re adding more drama and outside chances.

Argument against the 12 team playoff has always made zero sense to me. Especially in a world where fans and alum can DIRECTLY pay for their team to make a wider playoff field.

The current landscape is electric and the reason we can actively post on message boards year round with actual action going on.

I will retreat from my soapbox now.

Exactly.

From the perspective of a MIA fan, there's absolutely no valid argument against playoff expansion in CFB, because it helps to democratize talent acquisition in the sport. The 4-team CFB playoffs, since it's inception in 2014 to 2023, has had the same 4 teams secure 22 out of the 36 available spots, & predictably those same 4 teams also recruited at the highest level. Which makes perfect sense, because ultimately there are 3 main factors that an elite recruit weighs when deciding to pick one program over another & they are the following:

1.) NIL
2.) Development for the NFL
3.) Chance to play in meaningful games

The verbal crusade on this forum against increased parity in CFB is perplexing to say the least & really makes one question the authenticity of some of these "fans", because without parity this forum, let alone this program probably wouldn't even exist today. The same "fans" who are clamoring against parity increasing measures in CFB, were also the same individuals who accused the NCAA of being a cabal & giving preferential treatment to certain schools to create an unlevel playing field.

Will an expanded playoff system result in the regular season losing some of its luster? It probably will but that is a necessary tradeoff for increased parity in CFB, but regardless the FCS, DIV II & III still prove that such a system can definitely work. In the current distraction filled world that we live in, it's also not realistic to expect 18-22 yr old kids, to compartmentalize wk in & wk out, & prevent complacency, which is why u have to afford them a mulligan. At the end of the day the only thing that should matter is whether all of the BEST teams made the tournament regardless of record.

The NFL has become the most profitable & competitive professional sports league on planet Earth, not because Roger Goodell is somehow the best commissioner or better than his predecessors Paul Tagliabue & Pete Rozelle; it's because the NFL's business model embraces Socialism. The people on this forum have to understand one simple concept: the more socialist a sports league is, the greater its popularity. Accepting this reality doesn't suddenly make u a Socialist in your personal life; it makes u realist.

College Football Playoff snubs, controversies: Most notable omissions throughout four-team era

Florida State's unprecedented omission as an undefeated Power Five champion wasn't the first CFP snub

www.cbssports.com

 

[Calinative]

What does any other sport have to do with College Football?

FSU would've lost by at least 50 points if they played in the playoffs that year, which means they weren't one of the 4 best teams.

Which means the committee got it right they didn't put them in the playoffs because they were not good enough. And the reason why is because they lost the most important player on their team.

The point of the playoff is find a way to determine the best team in the Nation, FSU was not one of the best teams in the Nation after they lost their QB.

It has to do with how playoffs work and how champions get crowned. And no, the playoff is to determine who the best team in the nation is, but a part of that is the regular season. And by not giving a team that objectively was better all season or did more to earn the chance over another the opportunity to prove it was a major stain on that playoff. Period.

Its very likely FSU would have lost. But they earned the right to play. Period. You're literally arguing that the regular season should matter so much that only 4 teams are needed while literally arguing for saying the regular season should just be able to be 100% discounted lmao. Idk why you act like it would have been fundamentally impossible to overcome. Improbable? Absolutely. But I'm sure teams you think shouldn't win or have no shot at winning, end up winning games every year. Its apart of what makes sports great. And to decide that an undefeated team is unqualified to make the playoffs is insane and just absolute evidence that the entire playoff system was broken at that point. 4 simply wasn't enough. 20 is obviously too much. Maybe the best number is 8 or 12. Imo 16 would be that absolute max even worth considering. I think it should just stick at 12. And if we do move to a Big2 league I think just having 12 conference games and moving to a 8 team playoff - 4 per side - would be best.

 

[Calinative]

Honestly it’s either 4 or 130 for me

The same argument being made for 16-20 could be used the whole way

But I’m just some ****head that didn’t get worked up debating if we were the 13th best team last year

Literally the dumbest argument in the world.

 

[Calinative]

Why stop at 16?

Why not just put all 130 FBS teams in the playoffs & just have every regular season game be a playoff game?

It's completely unfair if 7-6 Rutgers doesn't get a chance to play 7-6 Vanderbilt in the playoffs to see if they're the best team in the Nation.

Why even play since you can just decide when a team has no shot. Why not just look at the rosters and pick the champion and skip all the playing... I mean since we're using such great logic like that lol

 

[Ispyin]

Four is the right number. Every real controversy in college football history is solved by four teams. And in most years, that’s overkill.

Expanding the playoffs was always a bad idea and it gets worse every year.

So 14 out of 32 in nfl
24 out of 129 in fcs
but people Losing their minds college football might have 24 out of 135?

How do you really expect all the kids to get paid the way they want and have all these programs survive ?

Yeah I don’t care either way but that doesn’t freak me out.

 

[Caneofcanes]

How do we really know?
And don’t point to the Orange Bowl game FSU played, because half the team opted out.

What if Hurts had been injured in the SEC CG in 2018. Would Bama have been left out? Tua was relatively unknown.
If they had, and we know they wouldn’t, because the selection committee wouldn’t have applied the same logic, as they did with the Noles.
But let’s say they had been left out because the unknown made them drop out of the “best four” at the time. The eventual NC would not have been the best team, right?

Ignoring the referee help Bama got in that NC, of course.

**** NO. They were not getting left out.

 

[NC_Canes_11]

I would make this trade:

FCS style 24 team bracket

In exchange for:

Dismantling “super conferences” and going back to 10-12 team regional conferences

 

[cway313]

So 14 out of 32 in nfl
24 out of 129 in fcs
but people Losing their minds college football might have 24 out of 135?

How do you really expect all the kids to get paid the way they want and have all these programs survive ?

Yeah I don’t care either way but that doesn’t freak me out.

What a stupid ******* post. Yes, let's pretend that all 129 college teams have the same salary constraints as in the NFL. Only a moron could formulate this dumb *** ****.