The Work: Fallout from AQM & Grace

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Smh @ all of this. Go to any major college football campus and see what the kids are riding in. We can't get out of our own ****** way.

We've had guys driving the same Camaros and Chargers. Different when you start rolling in $600 per day exotic rentals. You're too smart not to get that.
 
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AJ Green got 4 games for $1,000 in impermissible benefits. And he was candid when confronted by compliance.
How many players at big time programs do you suppose are driving around in fancy cars?

For 16 years now, it's never the school's fault according to insiders. Yet as soon as the story moves on, of course the thing last year was not well handled by the school ... but don't dwell on last year ... and by the way, this new thing, it's totally different and not at all the fault of anyone other than the kids involved.

The LEAST compliance could have done is not blindside our own staff.

Compliance has no relationship with the any of the athletic coaching staffs, be they football, hoops, baseball,etc
and nor they should have.
There should be a separation of duties and all should work to do what is right for the university.

Do yourself a favor and read dycane and Franchise's post on this matter.
Or do yourself a favor and pay attention to how things work at real programs.

Yes, because how it's done at "real programs" is an excellent model at UM.
SMH.
Tell us again how UM should have handled this differently.
Seriously, do share with us.
Tell us how it should be done.

UM should have handled business like Old ****. It's going to work out great for them. But they had a great run of 2 ten win seasons and a Cotton Bowl win. So it was worth it.
 
I'm all for holding players accountable, but the punishment definitely did not fit the crime in this instance.

All of you fockers that are defending the admin for this **** are a bunch of traitors. Family takes care of family. How can any of these coaches say that they are like family and then not even fight for them. AQM I can understand, even though I still think the punishment is excessive. He already had a couple of strikes against him. This was Grace's first big mistake at the U, and for something that every major program in the P5 is doing (setting up players with fancy rides, see Bama, Taint, Clemson for details). Jimmy Johnson would have told the compliance department to kick rocks and fought for them.

Bottom line is that these guys should have gotten 2 to 3 games max suspension, end of story.

Dudes at other colleges like FSWHO, Bama, Taint, etc. are raping chicks, illegally carrying firearms, rolling in fly rides that they or their families could never afford, cheating academically, beating women up, and most of the time nothing happens to them, especially at SEC schools and most definitely there is near immunity for their best players.

At the end of the day it all goes back to the PC bullshyt. The admin rather be PC than stand up for their players, NCAA be damned.

At this point it's like being the NCAA's bytch. At what point does it end, if ever. At some point somebody has to stand up and fight against Emmert and this corrupt organization. It might as well be the U, we've always been renegades anyway.

Way too many soft porsters pretending to be Canes on this thread.
 
If you are a student athlete, and you violate Bylaw 10.1 (Unethical Conduct, which includes "(a) Refusal to furnish information relevant to an investigation of a possible violation of an NCAA regulation when requested to do so by the NCAA or the individual’s institution," among other things), you will not be reinstated after being found to be ineligible. That is a black and white rule.

There's been way too much BS info posted about this matter, and way too many tantrums thrown by posters. Time to move on. Get over it.

All the idiots will ignore this because they're bent on tantrumming. They've ignored everything I've tried to teach them on this subject. They come alive when they see a chance to dump on UM, as most of them have no real ties to the school.
 
We need to get some SEC type compliance officers in place. People who know how to play chess with these rules.

Star players + rental cars + outside counsel = kicked off team?

I can see if they were OWNING RR's and Lambos.... but rentals?

Bush league...

Like the ones at Old ****?
 
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I'm all for holding players accountable, but the punishment definitely did not fit the crime in this instance.

All of you fockers that are defending the admin for this **** are a bunch of traitors. Family takes care of family. How can any of these coaches say that they are like family and then not even fight for them. AQM I can understand, even though I still think the punishment is excessive. He already had a couple of strikes against him. This was Grace's first big mistake at the U, and for something that every major program in the P5 is doing (setting up players with fancy rides, see Bama, Taint, Clemson for details). Jimmy Johnson would have told the compliance department to kick rocks and fought for them.

Bottom line is that these guys should have gotten 2 to 3 games max suspension, end of story.

Dudes at other colleges like FSWHO, Bama, Taint, etc. are raping chicks, illegally carrying firearms, rolling in fly rides that they or their families could never afford, cheating academically, beating women up, and most of the time nothing happens to them, especially at SEC schools and most definitely there is near immunity for their best players.

At the end of the day it all goes back to the PC bullshyt. The admin rather be PC than stand up for their players, NCAA be damned.

At this point it's like being the NCAA's bytch. At what point does it end, if ever. At some point somebody has to stand up and fight against Emmert and this corrupt organization. It might as well be the U, we've always been renegades anyway.

Way too many soft porsters pretending to be Canes on this thread.

You are right.....UM should declare its independence from the NCAA!
Scheduling will be a little difficult but we can figure something out.
As long as we are no longer the NCAA ***** and we can finally say FU NCAA!
 
If compliance was doing very thing in its power to keep these two eligible like some of you say, why where they talking, texting grace without the presence of his legal consul?

What is the point of your question?
This isn't "Law and Order".

Do you work for Miami Compliance Medley? Because you sure do seem to be drinking the cool aide. The point is these young men did not seem to know they could lose their eligibility by not being truthful to Miami compliance hence you would want them to have legal consul present for them to help guide the athlete to telling their story so they wouldn't lose their eligibility.

I'm fairly certain that I read that compliance educates the players all through out the year.

So your saying an athlete should know every single bylaw at all times as well as a legal consular should?

You don't have to know any bylaws to tell the truth.
 
What is the point of your question?
This isn't "Law and Order".

Do you work for Miami Compliance Medley? Because you sure do seem to be drinking the cool aide. The point is these young men did not seem to know they could lose their eligibility by not being truthful to Miami compliance hence you would want them to have legal consul present for them to help guide the athlete to telling their story so they wouldn't lose their eligibility.

I'm fairly certain that I read that compliance educates the players all through out the year.

So your saying an athlete should know every single bylaw at all times as well as a legal consular should?

Well yes. I think they should be familiar with anything that could put their scholarship in jeopardy.
But that's JMO.

Do you think that is realistic for every single 18 to 21 year old student athlete to do? So on top of school, athletics, social life, ect. they should also become part time lawyers by knowing legally written NCAA rules and regulations. Remember where talking about young student athletes here that usually grow up in impoverished backgrounds.

Moreover, I would love to know how some of you guys behaved in college. Must wore shirts and ties while reading the wall street journal and scholarly journals in transit to every class.
 
What is the point of your question?
This isn't "Law and Order".

Do you work for Miami Compliance Medley? Because you sure do seem to be drinking the cool aide. The point is these young men did not seem to know they could lose their eligibility by not being truthful to Miami compliance hence you would want them to have legal consul present for them to help guide the athlete to telling their story so they wouldn't lose their eligibility.

I'm fairly certain that I read that compliance educates the players all through out the year.

So your saying an athlete should know every single bylaw at all times as well as a legal consular should?

You don't have to know any bylaws to tell the truth.

Most of these kids don't know its okay to tell the truth to authority figures, chise.
 
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All I can say is losing Grace and Young will cost this team games. Now we go back to the days when Butch had a defense in 97 that consisted of LB's like Mike Smith, Nate Webster and Dan Morgan, but this team has way more experienced talent to win. 3 guys are gone, so move on. There is nothing anyone on this board can change. Lets pull for this team and the young LB's and maybe we can win 10. Here's to hoping. Lets go Canes!!!
 
If you are a student athlete, and you violate Bylaw 10.1 (Unethical Conduct, which includes "(a) Refusal to furnish information relevant to an investigation of a possible violation of an NCAA regulation when requested to do so by the NCAA or the individual’s institution," among other things), you will not be reinstated after being found to be ineligible. That is a black and white rule.

There's been way too much BS info posted about this matter, and way too many tantrums thrown by posters. Time to move on. Get over it.

All the idiots will ignore this because they're bent on tantrumming. They've ignored everything I've tried to teach them on this subject. They come alive when they see a chance to dump on UM, as most of them have no real ties to the school.

This. Dapper is the most even-handed, informed poster on this site when it comes to compliance issues. This is about as simple as it gets. Yet, we have idiots on here not only suggesting that the kids should lie, but that UM sold them out because it did not look past the players' lies and inconsistencies and try to bury the violations to which they relate.
 
Do you work for Miami Compliance Medley? Because you sure do seem to be drinking the cool aide. The point is these young men did not seem to know they could lose their eligibility by not being truthful to Miami compliance hence you would want them to have legal consul present for them to help guide the athlete to telling their story so they wouldn't lose their eligibility.

I'm fairly certain that I read that compliance educates the players all through out the year.

So your saying an athlete should know every single bylaw at all times as well as a legal consular should?

You don't have to know any bylaws to tell the truth.

Most of these kids don't know its okay to tell the truth to authority figures, chise.

Bullshyt. These dudes have been part of organized teams all their lives. They know structure and right from wrong. Richt is an authority figure, and they know **** well they shouldn't lie to him.

Why did Grace even have a lawyer? If all he did was rent a $600 per day car for a semester and paid for it all he had to do was show how he did that. You don't need a lawyer for that.
 
Do you work for Miami Compliance Medley? Because you sure do seem to be drinking the cool aide. The point is these young men did not seem to know they could lose their eligibility by not being truthful to Miami compliance hence you would want them to have legal consul present for them to help guide the athlete to telling their story so they wouldn't lose their eligibility.

I'm fairly certain that I read that compliance educates the players all through out the year.

So your saying an athlete should know every single bylaw at all times as well as a legal consular should?

You don't have to know any bylaws to tell the truth.

Most of these kids don't know its okay to tell the truth to authority figures, chise.

Well I guess they will need a lawyer present at all times while in the football facility. An individual lawyer for each player.
 
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If you are a student athlete, and you violate Bylaw 10.1 (Unethical Conduct, which includes "(a) Refusal to furnish information relevant to an investigation of a possible violation of an NCAA regulation when requested to do so by the NCAA or the individual’s institution," among other things), you will not be reinstated after being found to be ineligible. That is a black and white rule.

There's been way too much BS info posted about this matter, and way too many tantrums thrown by posters. Time to move on. Get over it.

All the idiots will ignore this because they're bent on tantrumming. They've ignored everything I've tried to teach them on this subject. They come alive when they see a chance to dump on UM, as most of them have no real ties to the school.

This. Dapper is the most even-handed, informed poster on this site when it comes to compliance issues. This is about as simple as it gets. Yet, we have idiots on here not only suggesting that the kids should lie, but that UM sold them out because it did not look past the players' lies and inconsistencies and try to bury the violations to which they relate.

How'd that big time football school Ohio State handle Terrell Pryor?
 
There is one truth which cannot be denied, our team lacked true leaders.
On multiple occasions coach Ritch spoke about finding leaders on this team.
A team leader (player) would have shut this violation down the moment it began.
It's hard to imaging that the other players had not seeing or heard of the
Players driving luxury sport cars.

A team cannot reach the pinnacle without solid leadership.
Coach Richt will find and groom team leaders.
 
I'm fairly certain that I read that compliance educates the players all through out the year.

So your saying an athlete should know every single bylaw at all times as well as a legal consular should?

You don't have to know any bylaws to tell the truth.

Most of these kids don't know its okay to tell the truth to authority figures, chise.

Bullshyt. These dudes have been part of organized teams all their lives. They know structure and right from wrong. Richt is an authority figure, and they know **** well they shouldn't lie to him.

Why did Grace even have a lawyer? If all he did was rent a $600 per day car for a semester and paid for it all he had to do was show how he did that. You don't need a lawyer for that.


Richt spends 4+years recruiting kids and their families so that trust has to built. They don't just go trust some outsider which they know is going to punish you.

Grace had a lawyer so he could him guide him to tell his story in the best possible light. But that means nothing if he can't seek that persons advice in a time of need such as hearing to determine his eligibility.
 
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Do you work for Miami Compliance Medley? Because you sure do seem to be drinking the cool aide. The point is these young men did not seem to know they could lose their eligibility by not being truthful to Miami compliance hence you would want them to have legal consul present for them to help guide the athlete to telling their story so they wouldn't lose their eligibility.

I'm fairly certain that I read that compliance educates the players all through out the year.

So your saying an athlete should know every single bylaw at all times as well as a legal consular should?

Well yes. I think they should be familiar with anything that could put their scholarship in jeopardy.
But that's JMO.

Do you think that is realistic for every single 18 to 21 year old student athlete to do? So on top of school, athletics, social life, ect. they should also become part time lawyers by knowing legally written NCAA rules and regulations. Remember where talking about young student athletes here that usually grow up in impoverished backgrounds.

Moreover, I would love to know how some of you guys behaved in college. Must wore shirts and ties while reading the wall street journal and scholarly journals in transit to every class.

Life isn't fair, buddy. Grace lied. Doesn't mean that his behavior was unreasonable under the circumstances, just like it doesn't mean that the consequence of that behavior was reasonable. What is certain is that the criticism of UM in this situation is not just misplaced; it's delusional. UM cannot even give the impression that its investigation of and response to instances of noncompliance were anything but objective, much less selectively enforce the rules because a kid made a mistake (understandable or not). I would think UM fans, more than any others, should understand this.
 
If you are a student athlete, and you violate Bylaw 10.1 (Unethical Conduct, which includes "(a) Refusal to furnish information relevant to an investigation of a possible violation of an NCAA regulation when requested to do so by the NCAA or the individual’s institution," among other things), you will not be reinstated after being found to be ineligible. That is a black and white rule.

There's been way too much BS info posted about this matter, and way too many tantrums thrown by posters. Time to move on. Get over it.

All the idiots will ignore this because they're bent on tantrumming. They've ignored everything I've tried to teach them on this subject. They come alive when they see a chance to dump on UM, as most of them have no real ties to the school.

This. Dapper is the most even-handed, informed poster on this site when it comes to compliance issues. This is about as simple as it gets. Yet, we have idiots on here not only suggesting that the kids should lie, but that UM sold them out because it did not look past the players' lies and inconsistencies and try to bury the violations to which they relate.

Thanks for the compliment. I posted that under the impression that both students were ruled ineligible, then lied. It may be that Grace, based on certain things his attorney said, was not ruled ineligible before he lied or wasn't forthcoming. In that circumstance, then the violation is the lie itself - the determination of the penalty for a Bylaw 10.1 violation starts at sitting out a whole season and being charged a season of eligibility. There may be aggravating/mitigating circumstances, but the default punishment for violating Bylaw 10.1 (which Grace's attorney openly admitted Grace violated) is sitting out a whole season.

For all of those people saying the punishment doesn't fit the crime, please just give it a rest. We do not know the extent of the "crime," but we know (because his lawyer specifically said it) that Grace did not comply with Bylaw 10.1 when first questioned. Even if that's all he did (and I wouldn't feel comfortable making that assumption), the default punishment is sitting out a whole season. Now explain to me how the punishment didn't fit the crime...
 
If you are a student athlete, and you violate Bylaw 10.1 (Unethical Conduct, which includes "(a) Refusal to furnish information relevant to an investigation of a possible violation of an NCAA regulation when requested to do so by the NCAA or the individual’s institution," among other things), you will not be reinstated after being found to be ineligible. That is a black and white rule.

There's been way too much BS info posted about this matter, and way too many tantrums thrown by posters. Time to move on. Get over it.

All the idiots will ignore this because they're bent on tantrumming. They've ignored everything I've tried to teach them on this subject. They come alive when they see a chance to dump on UM, as most of them have no real ties to the school.

This. Dapper is the most even-handed, informed poster on this site when it comes to compliance issues. This is about as simple as it gets. Yet, we have idiots on here not only suggesting that the kids should lie, but that UM sold them out because it did not look past the players' lies and inconsistencies and try to bury the violations to which they relate.

How'd that big time football school Ohio State handle Terrell Pryor?

Bama suspended Clinton-Dix, one of the best players in the country, indefinitely for accepting $500 in impermissible benefits. They let the NCAA reinstate him.

Just in recent years at big time college programs...

Gurley and AJ Green 4 games each at GA for taking impermissible benefits, the value of which paled in comparison to the free rides here;
Gholsen an entire season at Notre Dame for cheating on a **** test;
Prior (as you pointed out), as well as Posey, Adams and Herron at Ohio State for impermissible benefits, leading to the ouster of a deified coach;
Clarett permanently dismissed for taking benefits (valued less than the free rides here) and lying;
Austin (dismissed) and Little and Quinn at UNC ruled permanently ineligible at UNC;
Dez Bryant at OSU ruled ineligible for lying about a f*cking meeting with Primetime;
Blount at OR for an entire season for punching an opposing player;
Newton at UF suspended for theft of another student's laptop;

Gholsen, Blount and Newton were suspended by ND, OR and UF, respectively, for actions that did not even constitute NCAA violations. I guess Brian Kelly, Chip Kelly and Urban Meyer don't know how to play the game in big time college football. College kids cheat, fight and steal all the time. Amazing that those amateur coaches threw those players under the bus for mistakes that college students make all the time.
 
If you are a student athlete, and you violate Bylaw 10.1 (Unethical Conduct, which includes "(a) Refusal to furnish information relevant to an investigation of a possible violation of an NCAA regulation when requested to do so by the NCAA or the individual’s institution," among other things), you will not be reinstated after being found to be ineligible. That is a black and white rule.

There's been way too much BS info posted about this matter, and way too many tantrums thrown by posters. Time to move on. Get over it.

All the idiots will ignore this because they're bent on tantrumming. They've ignored everything I've tried to teach them on this subject. They come alive when they see a chance to dump on UM, as most of them have no real ties to the school.

This. Dapper is the most even-handed, informed poster on this site when it comes to compliance issues. This is about as simple as it gets. Yet, we have idiots on here not only suggesting that the kids should lie, but that UM sold them out because it did not look past the players' lies and inconsistencies and try to bury the violations to which they relate.

Thanks for the compliment. I posted that under the impression that both students were ruled ineligible, then lied. It may be that Grace, based on certain things his attorney said, was not ruled ineligible before he lied or wasn't forthcoming. In that circumstance, then the violation is the lie itself - the determination of the penalty for a Bylaw 10.1 violation starts at sitting out a whole season and being charged a season of eligibility. There may be aggravating/mitigating circumstances, but the default punishment for violating Bylaw 10.1 (which Grace's attorney openly admitted Grace violated) is sitting out a whole season.

For all of those people saying the punishment doesn't fit the crime, please just give it a rest. We do not know the extent of the "crime," but we know (because his lawyer specifically said it) that Grace did not comply with Bylaw 10.1 when first questioned. Even if that's all he did (and I wouldn't feel comfortable making that assumption), the default punishment is sitting out a whole season. Now explain to me how the punishment didn't fit the crime...

But but but herp derp Miami doesn't look out for these kids, bro.
 
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