The ultimate question on this coaching search is...

[Gatorhater]

I love gambling. Trust me, there is not such thing as a sure thing or even a safe bet. You pay your money and take your chances. I want Butch because we will at least be trying to go back to what we were. Decent chance we at least end up with lot of good talent and some players who have seen and felt what it looked like in the day.

 

[OrangetieFatface]

The **** out of my face with this Dino Babers bull****. Especially because the intellectual brigade on here was all over everyone's nuts for not expecting Gundy or Patterson.

And cut it out with the lot of you putting Mullen in league with proven winners, he's 26-29 in the SEC.

Butch fumbled at UNC and Richt has never won a big game. I'll take that all day over some blowhard from Bowling Green or a losing coach from the SEC.

 

[NVA CANE]

That's why I never understood why people were scoffing at names like Mullen, Babers, Herman, Brohm, Fuente, etc. I'll take the high risk high reward in one of those coaches. The only exception was Butch for me and that was because of his unique talent.

I agree that the idea of poaching some high profile guy is a pipe dream. Doesn't hurt to try though

For this round give me Mullen. Could be a great hire or a dud. It's worth the risk IMO. If not him go with Butch have him rebuild the program and set it on its way for the next guy in five years or so.

I don't see Richt as hungry and his hire would be more risky than Butch or Mullen IMO. You know what you're getting as a coach but how determined and hungry is he to win? I question that

 

[Jassid82]

This where we differ on Butch.

I think he is high-risk, high-reward. He built the best team of all time. What higher reward is there? The risks have been well-documented.

You're right that he built that team. But Zook also built the team that Urb won with. John Blake built the team that Stoops won with.

There's no proof that Butch would have won with that team that he built. He choked it away in 2000 with the same amount of talent he had in 2001.

See, this is where the contrarian instincts kick in.

For 14 years, we've known the truth about the 2001 team. Now we're lumping Coker with Urban Meyer and Bob Stoops?

I remember the Botch era and am honest about his shortcomings. But let's not rewrite history to make a point.

This X1000. And its funny that people are bashing the BBB crew for hanging their hat on the great things Butch did during his tenure with UM/UNC because they said it was too long ago but they do not want to possibly conceive that the bad things he did during those years he has learned from and improved upon over the years. (Gameday coaching) He couldnt possibly have become a better gameday coach could he?? Smh.

 

[MadCane]

This where we differ on Butch.

I think he is high-risk, high-reward. He built the best team of all time. What higher reward is there? The risks have been well-documented.

You're right that he built that team. But Zook also built the team that Urb won with. John Blake built the team that Stoops won with.

There's no proof that Butch would have won with that team that he built. He choked it away in 2000 with the same amount of talent he had in 2001.

See, this is where the contrarian instincts kick in.

For 14 years, we've known the truth about the 2001 team. Now we're lumping Coker with Urban Meyer and Bob Stoops?

I remember the Botch era and am honest about his shortcomings. But let's not rewrite history to make a point.

Actually he was lumping Botch with Zook and Blake. And he's right.

 

[stormsurge]

if it is richt then maybe he could use his talents and relationships to combine some nofla and georgia recruiting with sofla recruiting and produce better talent than he ever had at georgia

 

[mydas77]

Mullen is the most exciting and risky of the three coaches. I think Herman, Babers and Fuente could become the next big thing, but can we gamble with this hire? Will Miami always be a place that you can win a championship at? Is another five years of irrelevance the nail in the coffin? I think we need to be relevant now.

 

[Salt]

You could argue Shannon and Golden were gambles. Can't afford to gamble at this point because another fail could put this program back another 5 years and irrelevancy for the foreseeable future.

 

[Dwinstitles]

This where we differ on Butch.

I think he is high-risk, high-reward. He built the best team of all time. What higher reward is there? The risks have been well-documented.

U make too much sense

 

[mirednmediocrity2]

WHY is Schiano so highly thought of by these BOT losers. What has he done? One good season at Rutgers? The rest of these guys are fine with me, but WHY do these clowns seem so determined to hire another serial LOSER from Jersey?

 

[sabrose]

I am a Butch guy but if Richt is both the OC and HC and we can get a top Flight defensive coach we could do a lot worse. Richt developed Weinke who won the Heisman.

 

[getcaned]

That's why I never understood why people were scoffing at names like Mullen, Babers, Herman, Brohm, Fuente, etc. I'll take the high risk high reward in one of those coaches. The only exception was Butch for me and that was because of his unique talent.

I agree that the idea of poaching some high profile guy is a pipe dream. Doesn't hurt to try though

For this round give me Mullen. Could be a great hire or a dud. It's worth the risk IMO. If not him go with Butch have him rebuild the program and set it on its way for the next guy in five years or so.

I don't see Richt as hungry and his hire would be more risky than Butch or Mullen IMO. You know what you're getting as a coach but how determined and hungry is he to win? I question that

High risk golden made temple a winner....... So quickly we forget

 

[DMoney]

This where we differ on Butch.

I think he is high-risk, high-reward. He built the best team of all time. What higher reward is there? The risks have been well-documented.

You're right that he built that team. But Zook also built the team that Urb won with. John Blake built the team that Stoops won with.

There's no proof that Butch would have won with that team that he built. He choked it away in 2000 with the same amount of talent he had in 2001.

See, this is where the contrarian instincts kick in.

For 14 years, we've known the truth about the 2001 team. Now we're lumping Coker with Urban Meyer and Bob Stoops?

I remember the Botch era and am honest about his shortcomings. But let's not rewrite history to make a point.

Actually he was lumping Botch with Zook and Blake. And he's right.

How many 11-win seasons do those guys have? How many NFL playoff berths?

Meyer elevated Zook's players with his coaching ability. Stoops did the same with Blake's Oklahoma recruits. Moreover, unlike Coker, both were in their second years with their respective programs.

Coker rode a historically great team to the title. We've known this for years. Now we're suddenly giving Coker credit just to discredit Butch? Give me a break.

 

[rsa coral gables]

Al Golden was not a gamble on coaching ability.

Al Golden was brought here to clean up an image that did not need to be cleaned up.

Al Golden was brought here because Shalala is a cheap asss

nah, i think he was brought here to deal with the shapiro quagmire and he did an excellent job with it. football? not so much . . .

 

[HurricaneU]

The wait is causing people to overthink this. There is no such thing as the perfect, risk-free coaching candidate.

Butch Davis built the greatest collection of talent of any college team ever. And was on his way to doing it twice.

He wants redemption. He wants to coach at Miami.

Keep it simple. Pull the trigger BOT and #BBB .

 

[The Franchise]

This is why, to me, it's always been Herman vs Butch. And, their respective plans are what decides it.

I see it the same way, but I'd put Richt right next to Butch. Pretty much the same guy to me. Great recruiters and proven guys, who will not get swallowed up by the job, but who also have head-scratching losses every year.

I'm more of a gambler, so I'd opt for a Herman if he really wanted the gig and his plan/philosophy is what I think it is.

But if Herman doesn't want it what way would you look??? BTW has there been any mention of us talking to him??? Seems like the search committee is only considering candidates we significant HC experience outside of Chud and Mario, and who knows if they were ever really serious candidates.

I don't know the answers to those questions. This is purely hypothetical on my end. I'd be surprised if Herman would flatly turn down UM if UM approached him. Very surprised. If not Herman, then surely there are other G5 guys or big time coordinators who could be the next monster P5 HC. Or they could flame out.

The key is finding that dog like Houston did with Herman. The only real way to do that is being part of the interview process though and finding out what their approach to football and building a champion at UM is.

 

[The Franchise]

That's why I never understood why people were scoffing at names like Mullen, Babers, Herman, Brohm, Fuente, etc. I'll take the high risk high reward in one of those coaches. The only exception was Butch for me and that was because of his unique talent.

I agree that the idea of poaching some high profile guy is a pipe dream. Doesn't hurt to try though

For this round give me Mullen. Could be a great hire or a dud. It's worth the risk IMO. If not him go with Butch have him rebuild the program and set it on its way for the next guy in five years or so.

I don't see Richt as hungry and his hire would be more risky than Butch or Mullen IMO. You know what you're getting as a coach but how determined and hungry is he to win? I question that

That's why you'd have to be part of the interview process to REALLY know who is the best guy to hire when you're culling through a bunch of guys with warts. The warts on Richt are the big game struggles and questions about his potential hunger. You can get answers to that in an interview process.

 

[The Franchise]

You could argue Shannon and Golden were gambles. Can't afford to gamble at this point because another fail could put this program back another 5 years and irrelevancy for the foreseeable future.

They were bad gambles. I'm not advocating bad gambles. Folden was less of a bad gamble if the only 3 candidates were Folden, Trestman and Edsall.

 

[getcaned]

You think that regardless of who the hire is we would be happy. After two claps and a fist pump, corch radio, and golden sandusky we would be ecstatic with the choices before us. yet it turns to a ****ing match once again.

 

[The Franchise]

This where we differ on Butch.

I think he is high-risk, high-reward. He built the best team of all time. What higher reward is there? The risks have been well-documented.

You're right that he built that team. But Zook also built the team that Urb won with. John Blake built the team that Stoops won with.

There's no proof that Butch would have won with that team that he built. He choked it away in 2000 with the same amount of talent he had in 2001.

See, this is where the contrarian instincts kick in.

For 14 years, we've known the truth about the 2001 team. Now we're lumping Coker with Urban Meyer and Bob Stoops?

I remember the Botch era and am honest about his shortcomings. But let's not rewrite history to make a point.

Actually he was lumping Botch with Zook and Blake. And he's right.

How many 11-win seasons do those guys have? How many NFL playoff berths?

Meyer elevated Zook's players with his coaching ability. Stoops did the same with Blake's Oklahoma recruits. Moreover, unlike Coker, both were in their second years with their respective programs.

Coker rode a historically great team to the title. We've known this for years. Now we're suddenly giving Coker credit just to discredit Butch? Give me a break.

Coker was also the polar opposite of Butch from a demeanor standpoint. Butch was a well known spastic on the sidelines whereas Coker was a calming influence. Butch admittedly suffered from panic attacks and got treatment for that disorder.

Maybe Coker's calm demeanor helped us win a couple of those tight games we might have tensed up and lost under Butch in 2001. You don't know, and I don't know for sure. But to act like Butch would have automatically won a NC in 2001 just because Coker did is disingenuous on your part.

You degrade Coker, but his overall record at UM was actually very impressive compared to guys that are viewed as top level HCs. What's his winning percentage compared to a guy like Miles?