The ultimate question on this coaching search is...

[The Franchise]

You think that regardless of who the hire is we would be happy. After two claps and a fist pump, corch radio, and golden sandusky we would be ecstatic with the choices before us. yet it turns to a ****ing match once again.

I don't see anyone in a ****ing contest in this thread. Why are you getting so defensive? Looks like some good conversation to me aside from the few cult members adding nothing to the thread.

 

[CanesFam17]

DMoney any way you can debunk the schaino idea.. is it down to richt butch and mullen?

 

[MadCane]

This where we differ on Butch.

I think he is high-risk, high-reward. He built the best team of all time. What higher reward is there? The risks have been well-documented.

You're right that he built that team. But Zook also built the team that Urb won with. John Blake built the team that Stoops won with.

There's no proof that Butch would have won with that team that he built. He choked it away in 2000 with the same amount of talent he had in 2001.

See, this is where the contrarian instincts kick in.

For 14 years, we've known the truth about the 2001 team. Now we're lumping Coker with Urban Meyer and Bob Stoops?

I remember the Botch era and am honest about his shortcomings. But let's not rewrite history to make a point.

Actually he was lumping Botch with Zook and Blake. And he's right.

How many 11-win seasons do those guys have? How many NFL playoff berths?

Meyer elevated Zook's players with his coaching ability. Stoops did the same with Blake's Oklahoma recruits. Moreover, unlike Coker, both were in their second years with their respective programs.

Coker rode a historically great team to the title. We've known this for years. Now we're suddenly giving Coker credit just to discredit Butch? Give me a break.

It's not a zero sum game. Good recruiters like Botch aren't always able to overcome their panic attacks and John Shoop hires to become title-winning head coaches. At the same time, other head coaches win with previous regime recruits all the time, and in some cases it doesn't translate into long term success for that coach. Happening to be in the right place at the right time doesn't mean that Coker=Meyer=Stoops.

 

[DaU83]

I actually think butch is the least risk with the highest reward..Butch went 11-1 his final year. his junior, sophomore, and freshman classes from that team subsequently went 12-0 , 12-1 , 11-2.. We all know what happened after that.

 

[wushah]

I'm not so sure you can determine Richt's hunger in an interview. Possibly. He's been "successful" in his own right, knows his place amongst the candidates being discussed, and is likely going to be getting recruited by the program than vice-versa. I'm not saying it should be that way, but it probably is with Blake James at the helm.

As far as Butch and Herman, I'm taking Butch for the program right now. The bottom line is that he gets it. He gets all that is involved and what it's going to take. The hunger is not a question either. He wants to win now. Perhaps most importantly, I think his rolodex for assistants is better than all the other candidates out there, including Richt.

 

[mirednmediocrity2]

Are you a gambler or looking to play it safe?

If you're a gambler, you look for the next Urban or Harbaugh BEFORE they became the known quantities at UF and Stanford. Look at a Dino Babers or someone like that and hope that they become the next great P5 HC. It's a risky deal, but the payoff could be much bigger than you get with the known quantities like Richt and Butch, who have known floors but also real known warts.

Just come to grips with the fact that pretty much no program is luring away established P5 HCs at this point. UF has never been able to do it despite all of their resources. They had to hire an up and coming G5 guy (McEltooth) last time around and hired Urb (G5), Zook (assistant coach), and Muschamp (DC) the last few times. They thought they'd get some P5 proven guy but had to adjust.

On the other side, if you're risk averse, you grab Richt or Butch and hope for the best. You know you're getting a solid professional football coach, who isn't going to completely flop and get swallowed up by the job and the big stage like Charlie Strong has at UT or like Folden did here.

No. It's how bad will Blake James EFF this hire up? Clown is utterly incompetent and useless....and we, as someone else said yesterday, we end up with a bag of crap in one hand and a five year contract with Greg Schiano's or Mario Cristobal's signature on it. Say goodbye to the Miami Hurricanes.

 

[mirednmediocrity2]

This is why, to me, it's always been Herman vs Butch. And, their respective plans are what decides it.

What are your thoughts on a guy like Babers?

Better than Schiano or Cristobal. We KNOW they both suck.

 

[[]_[] swag]

This is why, to me, it's always been Herman vs Butch. And, their respective plans are what decides it.

Except no reason to think Herman has any interest in Miami.

 

[TC7D]

I would rather gamble on the high floor of Butch or Richt. Either guy would leave this program in better shape than it's been in in a LONG time. 5 years from now, if Butch is moving on/retiring, or in 7-10 years for Richt...the UM job would be that much more desirable than it is now. I do believe either guy could bring a NC to Miami, but even if they didn't...there's just zero chance either guy would get embarrassed the way Golden did.

The fact we are still desirable in spite of the absolute failure Golden was...we should all be happy with that.

Great post. We need to reestablish a wining culture in as certain a way as possible.

 

[MIATL]

Question for the Herman crowd:

Does he win more than 8 games running Mississippi State?

Question for BBB crowd:

Does he win more than 8 games running Mississipi State?

If neither of them could do it, but would kill at Miami, why wouldn't the guy who has won 8 games at Mississippi State be able to kill it at Miami?

The only way anybody can be arguing Herman and Butch are better coaches than Dan Mullen is to make the argument that Herman or Butch would win the SEC West at Mississippi State, or would finish a close 2nd ...

The Herman crowd may be able to make that argument ... Since he only has 1 season as a HC, and his future success is unknown.

But Butch actually has a very recent history running a below average program ... And he also has a below .500 conference record, with an 0-4 record against his in-state rival ... Who was terrible when they were playing them.

Logically, anyone who likes Herman should like Mullen ... And anyone ok with what Butch did an UNC should like Mullen.

I like calculated risks over gambles ... And Mullen is a calculated risk.

43 years old ... 7 years experience as HC ... 2 national titles as an OC ... Turned a garbage program into a program that wins 60% of their games ... Rarely loses games he shouldn't ... Develops his players ... Has some "Miami Swagger" ... And has interviewed for the job, twice!

Mullen is the guy we should be hiring!

 

[JgDaCane]

This where we differ on Butch.

I think he is high-risk, high-reward. He built the best team of all time. What higher reward is there? The risks have been well-documented.

you sticking with that prediction from last night? That **** had the board buggin out.