The ultimate question on this coaching search is...

[DiegoCane]

At this point I'm praying its any one but Richt (and Strong obviously).

 

[Jassid82]

We just gambled and lost. Time to build up the stake a bit before we try that again.

**** we gambled TWICE and set our program back 8 years in the process....(Shannon and Golden). While I respect Franchise post (this is actually one of the best hes had in a few days. He was going off the deep end for a minute there)...I respectfully think we should go with a guy like Butch. I am not a fan of Richt. I think I will drink myself silly for the entire day if we hire him. And I def dont want Mullen. High risk, low reward.

All that said, I just want this process to be over. Whoever they hire, has alot of work to do in a short period of time anyway. We have a MAMMOTH list of recruits coming to visit on Dec 11th...And we need them ALL. Let the games begin..

 

[DiegoCane]

This is why, to me, it's always been Herman vs Butch. And, their respective plans are what decides it.

What are your thoughts on a guy like Babers?

I don't take a chance on Babers when I can presumably take a chance on Herman. For me, and there's record of this up and down the board, it was always about checking to see if some shooting star (Kelly, Patterson, John Harbaugh, etc.) could somehow be brought here, then quickly going to this more realistic analysis. I've had Butch and Herman as 1a and 1b. I had Fuente as 3 - until I was told he wasn't interested. I had Hue Jackson as 4. Each of them have their risks, flaws and strengths. They would likely produce in different ways here. Herman is the high ceiling. Butch is the high floor. And, depending on coordinators and plan, I'd make a decision. It's not an easy analysis, I think. I have little confidence this is how the process is actually going, though. Too many feelings everywhere.

Lu, rank Butch, Schiano, Mullen, Richt.

 

[The Franchise]

I thought Al Golden was a gamble? We got ****ed!

That was a bad gamble, but if the candidates were truly Folden, Trestman, and Edsall, then it wasn't really a bad choice. The biggest mistake with Folden was giving him an unwarranted extension and also not firing him after year 3 or 4 at the latest.

 

[MarshallCane]

I dont think we are in a position to gamble right now.. Another 4 or 5 years of failure could really kill the program. Goldie ruined it for up and comers with this hire.

 

[Canes21]

I would love to have Herman, but that doesn't look like it's going to happen, and at this point, that is fine with me. I will gladly take Richt. I think he will bring in a much needed stability to the program. If he is allowed to be hands on again, and I don't see why he wouldn't be, then I think he'll be winning 10 games a year on average. He'll have us in the ACC title game multiple times.

I understand wanting the next big thing. Herman is a blue chip prospect with tons of upside. I would gladly take him and be beyond excited, but I also believe the program really needs some stability. I'm tired of consistently winning 9 or less a year. We need to get back to winning 10+ a year and I believe Richt and probably Butch can get us there. If they do, then the job is looked at in a better light and they set it up for us to get even better hires next time around.

I may be in the minority, but I think in this era of college football, we can't pass up on a guy like Richt, especially if it's true that he was asked to become a CEO type in 2006 and be less hands on.

 

[caneinpsl]

This where we differ on Butch.

I think he is high-risk, high-reward. He built the best team of all time. What higher reward is there? The risks have been well-documented.

He built pretty good teams at UNC and topped out at 4-4 in conference.

Good thing we would hire him to coach Miami and not UNC.

This is the reason I'm intrigued by Richt. Richt here is not the same formula as Richt at UGA, much the same as Davis at UNC wasn't the same as Davis at UM. We need a steady solid coach who can surround himself with solid assistants and manage the program well. The talent in South Florida will take care of the rest. This is Richt to a t.

 

[The Franchise]

This is why, to me, it's always been Herman vs Butch. And, their respective plans are what decides it.

I see it the same way, but I'd put Richt right next to Butch. Pretty much the same guy to me. Great recruiters and proven guys, who will not get swallowed up by the job, but who also have head-scratching losses every year.

I'm more of a gambler, so I'd opt for a Herman if he really wanted the gig and his plan/philosophy is what I think it is.

 

[LuCane]

This is why, to me, it's always been Herman vs Butch. And, their respective plans are what decides it.

What are your thoughts on a guy like Babers?

I don't take a chance on Babers when I can presumably take a chance on Herman. For me, and there's record of this up and down the board, it was always about checking to see if some shooting star (Kelly, Patterson, John Harbaugh, etc.) could somehow be brought here, then quickly going to this more realistic analysis. I've had Butch and Herman as 1a and 1b. I had Fuente as 3 - until I was told he wasn't interested. I had Hue Jackson as 4. Each of them have their risks, flaws and strengths. They would likely produce in different ways here. Herman is the high ceiling. Butch is the high floor. And, depending on coordinators and plan, I'd make a decision. It's not an easy analysis, I think. I have little confidence this is how the process is actually going, though. Too many feelings everywhere.

Lu, rank Butch, Schiano, Mullen, Richt.

Butch (someone tell me who the coordinators will be, please. I figure if I'm making the decision I'm privy to that plan?)
Mullen

Richt






Schiano

 

[The Franchise]

I agree and personally I place Mullen into the high risk high reward category. But based on the state of the program, it sounds like Blake is more comfortable taking a sure thing in Richt.

I don't really see Mullen as any more risky than Butch or Richt. He's proven he can win 8 or 9 games at a dog **** program in a tougher conference. He's not going to fold at UM like Strong did at UT or like Folden did here.

 

[caneaddict]

Al Golden was not a gamble on coaching ability.

Al Golden was brought here to clean up an image that did not need to be cleaned up.

Al Golden was brought here because Shalala is a cheap asss

 

[Consigliere]

This where we differ on Butch.

I think he is high-risk, high-reward. He built the best team of all time. What higher reward is there? The risks have been well-documented.

He built pretty good teams at UNC and topped out at 4-4 in conference.

Good thing we would hire him to coach Miami and not UNC.

Oh so his tenure at UNC means nothing, interesting. Is this an excuse for his poor performance?

 

[BigDikCane]

You have to play it safe and go with Butch to be honest.

Just like Michigan played it safe with Harbaugh.

Jalen Rose said Harbaugh was brought in to get the program back on track, because he's going back to the NFL in 3yrs.

 

[Canesvolls]

Can Miami afford to take a risk now? Isn't Butch low risk and high reward?

 

[LuCane]

This is why, to me, it's always been Herman vs Butch. And, their respective plans are what decides it.

I see it the same way, but I'd put Richt right next to Butch. Pretty much the same guy to me. Great recruiters and proven guys, who will not get swallowed up by the job, but who also have head-scratching losses every year.

I'm more of a gambler, so I'd opt for a Herman if he really wanted the gig and his plan/philosophy is what I think it is.

I don't really disagree. I know a lot of details about Butch and his tone. I don't know any about Richt. I don't even know anyone who knows him. If he's genuinely hungry and wants to grind, I can live with it. Right now, it's a total guess because I have no idea if the guy is on cruise control.

 

[Gables Cane]

Roll the dice!

I've always had Herman at top (only Chip ranks higher) but I'm assuming there is zero interest on the Hermanator's part!

 

[The Franchise]

This where we differ on Butch.

I think he is high-risk, high-reward. He built the best team of all time. What higher reward is there? The risks have been well-documented.

You're right that he built that team. But Zook also built the team that Urb won with. John Blake built the team that Stoops won with.

There's no proof that Butch would have won with that team that he built. He choked it away in 2000 with the same amount of talent he had in 2001.

 

[JaxonCane]

This is why, to me, it's always been Herman vs Butch. And, their respective plans are what decides it.

Herman = Young Gun

Butch / Richt = Old War Horse

I personally am a gambler and would go with the Young Gun. But I also understand how people feel at this point in our program that an Old War Horse might be the best to right the ship.

 

[DMoney]

This where we differ on Butch.

I think he is high-risk, high-reward. He built the best team of all time. What higher reward is there? The risks have been well-documented.

You're right that he built that team. But Zook also built the team that Urb won with. John Blake built the team that Stoops won with.

There's no proof that Butch would have won with that team that he built. He choked it away in 2000 with the same amount of talent he had in 2001.

See, this is where the contrarian instincts kick in.

For 14 years, we've known the truth about the 2001 team. Now we're lumping Coker with Urban Meyer and Bob Stoops?

I remember the Botch era and am honest about his shortcomings. But let's not rewrite history to make a point.

 

[caneinpsl]

This is why, to me, it's always been Herman vs Butch. And, their respective plans are what decides it.

I see it the same way, but I'd put Richt right next to Butch. Pretty much the same guy to me. Great recruiters and proven guys, who will not get swallowed up by the job, but who also have head-scratching losses every year.

I'm more of a gambler, so I'd opt for a Herman if he really wanted the gig and his plan/philosophy is what I think it is.

But if Herman doesn't want it what way would you look??? BTW has there been any mention of us talking to him??? Seems like the search committee is only considering candidates we significant HC experience outside of Chud and Mario, and who knows if they were ever really serious candidates.