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Are you a gambler or looking to play it safe?

If you're a gambler, you look for the next Urban or Harbaugh BEFORE they became the known quantities at UF and Stanford. Look at a Dino Babers or someone like that and hope that they become the next great P5 HC. It's a risky deal, but the payoff could be much bigger than you get with the known quantities like Richt and Butch, who have known floors but also real known warts.

Just come to grips with the fact that pretty much no program is luring away established P5 HCs at this point. UF has never been able to do it despite all of their resources. They had to hire an up and coming G5 guy (McEltooth) last time around and hired Urb (G5), Zook (assistant coach), and Muschamp (DC) the last few times. They thought they'd get some P5 proven guy but had to adjust.

On the other side, if you're risk averse, you grab Richt or Butch and hope for the best. You know you're getting a solid professional football coach, who isn't going to completely flop and get swallowed up by the job and the big stage like Charlie Strong has at UT or like Folden did here.
 
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This is why, to me, it's always been Herman vs Butch. And, their respective plans are what decides it.
 
I agree and personally I place Mullen into the high risk high reward category. But based on the state of the program, it sounds like Blake is more comfortable taking a sure thing in Richt.
 
We just gambled and lost. Time to build up the stake a bit before we try that again.
 
The decision makers are more concerned about image more than results.

If Richt does not bite and the PC police on the committee choose Schiano over Butch we are beyond f**ed.
 
WhatTheHell said:
I agree and personally I place Mullen into the high risk high reward category. But based on the state of the program, it sounds like Blake is more comfortable taking a sure thing in Richt.
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I want Mullen (risky) first and foremost. If we want to play it safe, I'll gladly take Butch/Richt.
 
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Al Golden was not a gamble on coaching ability.

Al Golden was brought here to clean up an image that did not need to be cleaned up.
 
Everyone on this site is a gambler until we get someone like Golden. Then they blame the school for taking a risk. Hilarious.
 
This where we differ on Butch.

I think he is high-risk, high-reward. He built the best team of all time. What higher reward is there? The risks have been well-documented.
 
Agree 100% with the OP. Golden was the gamble last time we were facing this decision. Just sayin. Frankly this is the first time that we have a "play it safe" candidate to hire unless you count Coker, probably ever. His job was not to ***** up the title year. But obviously he was a gamble outside of that. I'm not sure Schnelly was a sure thing. Jimmie and Dennis, maybe, but both were gambles to a degree.
 
DMoney said:
This where we differ on Butch.

I think he is high-risk, high-reward. He built the best team of all time. What higher reward is there? The risks have been well-documented.
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He built pretty good teams at UNC and topped out at 4-4 in conference.
 
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The Franchise said:
Are you a gambler or looking to play it safe?

If you're a gambler, you look for the next Urban or Harbaugh BEFORE they became the known quantities at UF and Stanford. Look at a Dino Babers or someone like that and hope that they become the next great P5 HC. It's a risky deal, but the payoff could be much bigger than you get with the known quantities like Richt and Butch, who have known floors but also real known warts.

Just come to grips with the fact that pretty much no program is luring away established P5 HCs at this point. UF has never been able to do it despite all of their resources. They had to hire an up and coming G5 guy (McEltooth) last time around and hired Urb (G5), Zook (assistant coach), and Muschamp (DC) the last few times. They thought they'd get some P5 proven guy but had to adjust.

On the other side, if you're risk averse, you grab Richt or Butch and hope for the best. You know you're getting a solid professional football coach, who isn't going to completely flop and get swallowed up by the job and the big stage like Charlie Strong has at UT or like Folden did here.
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+1000

We aint winning or even competing for the NC like OSU* or Alabama by playing it safe. This program is run by frightened, unimaginative people: the exact opposite of the coaches and players that brought us to the top. Look for us to be kay with 10 wins and the occasional trip to the ACC CG.
 
brcane1 said:
LuCane said:
This is why, to me, it's always been Herman vs Butch. And, their respective plans are what decides it.
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What are your thoughts on a guy like Babers?
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I don't take a chance on Babers when I can presumably take a chance on Herman. For me, and there's record of this up and down the board, it was always about checking to see if some shooting star (Kelly, Patterson, John Harbaugh, etc.) could somehow be brought here, then quickly going to this more realistic analysis. I've had Butch and Herman as 1a and 1b. I had Fuente as 3 - until I was told he wasn't interested. I had Hue Jackson as 4. Each of them have their risks, flaws and strengths. They would likely produce in different ways here. Herman is the high ceiling. Butch is the high floor. And, depending on coordinators and plan, I'd make a decision. It's not an easy analysis, I think. I have little confidence this is how the process is actually going, though. Too many feelings everywhere.
 
I would rather gamble on the high floor of Butch or Richt. Either guy would leave this program in better shape than it's been in in a LONG time. 5 years from now, if Butch is moving on/retiring, or in 7-10 years for Richt...the UM job would be that much more desirable than it is now. I do believe either guy could bring a NC to Miami, but even if they didn't...there's just zero chance either guy would get embarrassed the way Golden did.

The fact we are still desirable in spite of the absolute failure Golden was...we should all be happy with that.
 
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