agreed. the poster said Clemson wouldn't keep a and b if they had stunk. well they weren't special int he beginning with Dabo but allowed him work through his issues and staff changes. I don't think we hit on a Dabo with Manny and I don't really wanna find out haha, but the argument really comes down to is if Manny won out with an ACCCG and bowl win to finish 10-4, hes not getting canned. in reality, 6-7, 8-3, 10-4 with a conf title and ny6 bowl win is the best season we've had since 04 and not fireable 3 year run for a first time coach. again, hes likely not winning out as well be in more 50-50 games and things happen that are just pure luck or unlucky so to speak (the VA td off what should've been an INT or incompletion, the batted ball in The air, missed FG chip shot, a fumble rolling out of bounds just beyond the marker, a guy getting hurt and not having a helmet during a fumbled punt).