The hard truth

[theibisrules]

They've been 10 scholarship short of 85 for about 12 years running now...stop filling schollies with walk one that can't give you **** in terms of meaningful snaps.

 

[M3N]

u forgot recruiting is why units struggle we cant get most of the elite talent, miami never won with x and o's we bullied people with better players. Simple as that get someone who can beat uga and bama for kids that they mostly win for......do waht Jimbo did when he got to FSU went head up with bama thats when u knew **** was real and he was about winning

Imma keep this short bc you are insufferable.

We have guys on this team that were heavily recruited by the top 10 team. A few names of past/ present players.

5 stars: Duke, Thomas, Howard, Lingard, Pope. These guys had offers from everyone.

I’m not gonna waste my time posting the 4 stars...

We have had plenty of talent.

It’s coaching.

 

[SigmundFriend]

I dig it. And I appreciate the response.

Here my thing though...

I’ve been patient for a long long time. I realized Randy was in over his head. His hires were a joke, his recruiting was a joke, his backing from the admin was a joke. While I knew all of this I still believed and stayed patient. Players started to never get better, there were clicks, there was a disconnect among HS coaches/recruiting. Then south Florida happened. Nail meet coffin.

I’m not going to go over every little detail but I pretty much did the same with Golden and CMR. I ignored what my eyes were telling me.
Honestly CMR had it going for a little bit and who truly knows what would of happened with a dynamite OC....but that never happened just Donofrio never was fired.

If the Canes have taught me anything over the years .... it is patience and how to spot early bull****.

Listen I would love to be wrong. I would sell my house for $100 if I knew a 6th ring was coming this year. But quite honestly I’m a seasoned veteran when it comes this team.

I said who the **** is Al Golden. Then I watched the Maryland game and said this defense will never work here. I got slammed on here for my early observations.

CMR got hired. I said didn’t he just get fired for not winning enough at UGA? The I watched him assemble his staff. I instantly said we have a very GREEN staff and it will show. Richt jr. Hartley, Banda, Rumph, etc...
We had some of the worst coaches... coaching critical positions/ units. And to top it all off CMR wanted to call plays.

But wait there is more!

Here we sit again with very green/ unproductive coaches at critical positions.

Butch Barry
Hickson
Field
Stubblefield

Patke
Banda
Rumph.

The coach with the most experience is Dan Enos.

People want to sit here and act like it’s a talent thing or inexperience or whatever new thing they come up with.

How do teams like UNC, DUKE, and the UVAs of the world keep beating us? They beat us bc they have solid coaching and they make minimal mistakes. Every wonder why these games have always been dog fights? Most of the time our wins are bc we simply out talent them. We haven’t out executed or out coached a team in nearly 20 years. We simply have just been getting by. Pure luck. I can’t tell you the last time we put a full game together (all 3 phases), honestly.

The coaches we have aren’t suddenly gonna become the next Howard Schnellenberger with more time. Guys like Stubblefield are who they are... mediocre coaches.

Dabo Sweeney isn’t some rock star coach. He’ll he isn’t even an innovator like Lincoln Riley. Dabo new his fate would be defined by who his coordinators were.

Let me remind some of you dense folk who will point to his record the first 3 or so years. The man was treading water. We went to Death Valley and Leonard Hankerson abused them. Their offense was complete dog**** and their defense was no better

But... Dabo goes out and hires a rockstar coordinator by the name of Chad Morris. Morris found instant success. He turned a career backup candidate into the ACC player of the year and his offense never looked back. Then the WVU orange bowl happens... defense gave up 70 points. Dabo goes out and gets one of the best and most under appreciated at the time Brent Venables. BTW one of the main reason this even happened was bc Bob stoops hired his trash brother back to be a CO DC...

Anyway you get the point...

Hire competent guys. Guys with a resume. Guys with a track record of success. Don’t hire guys who can’t stay at a place for more then 2 years. Don’t hire guys who’s previous spot was UTAH, Airforce, kstate, FAMU, Incarnate word....

I'm going to reply to you and then allow you to have the last word (if you so choose).

1. I understand what you are saying and I'm not totally dismissing your opinion. There's a lot of truth to what you are saying.

2. Since you brought up Dabo and his (in your words) "rockstar assistant coaches". Here's the list and how they cut their teeth:

When Chad Morris was their OC, Clemson never finished higher than 7th. But, to the main point.

Chad Morris: a career TX HS coach, Tulsa (offensive assistant), and then Clemson. HC Record 14-22 at SMU; 3-11 at Arkansas
Brent Venables: K-State (ILB) & OU (def. coord.). When Venables was hired as def. coord. at Clemson, he was only a co-def. coord.

Other assistants under Dabo:

Tony Elliott (off. coord.): South Carolina St (WR) and Furman (WR)
Jeff Scott (off. coord.): HS and Presbyterian (WR)
Robbie Caldwell (OL): Furman, NC State, NC, Vanderbilt (any of these schools known for producing OL?)
Marion Hobby (co-def. coord. with Venables; currently in the NFL): Tennessee Martin, Louisiana Lafayette

This is your comment about our current staff and I quote: "Hire competent guys. Guys with a resume. Guys with a track record of success. Don’t hire guys who can’t stay at a place for more then 2 years. Don’t hire guys who’s previous spot was UTAH, Airforce, kstate, FAMU, Incarnate word....".

Look at Dabo's guys. Guys on his staff are from high school, Presbyterian, Tennessee Martin, Louisiana Lafayette, South Carolina st? Even the D-I schools like Vandy and NC? Come on bro. If you looked at their resumes (excluding Venables), there was nothing attractive about Dabo's staff before they got to Clemson. The program and fans had patience and it didn't help that Dabo could recruit and the ACC sucked other than FSU.

But, like I said, we are just two different kind of fans. And there is nothing wrong with that. Have a good one, bro.

 

[caneworld]

It's sad that STs has not improved at all from Hartley to Patke. And it looks like Shaq and Pinckney have regressed.

Patke needs to be doing something else for a living.... otherwise it is going to be another Golden - D'No fiasco all over again.

 

[786Cane]

He gave me an Al Golden moment; it was 4th & 1 and Williams got tripped by a former QB now LB coming up short of the 1st down. (Although Williams should’ve stuck the ball out). Anyways, Diaz going to the market, eyes wide open, then “lining his hand up” to say it was 1st down, only to be denied. He did all that hooping and hollering and did not challenge the mark. It looked good for the camera, but he did nothing. That irritated me

I said the same thing. Why not challenge the spot. We had 3 time outs and actually left two of them on the scoreboard.

 

[caneing]

Hard to argue with that.
At some point we will stumble across a coach that doesn't just hire his friends.

Absolutely correct Sir

 

[Dwinstitles]

Imma keep this short bc you are insufferable.

We have guys on this team that were heavily recruited by the top 10 team. A few names of past/ present players.

5 stars: Duke, Thomas, Howard, Lingard, Pope. These guys had offers from everyone.

I’m not gonna waste my time posting the 4 stars...

We have had plenty of talent.

It’s coaching.

yea we had more talent then UNC no doubt, that game was on the coaches. Yea and Im insufferable I agree lol

 

[TheEye]

I don't get it. If "WE'RE NEVER GOING TO BE GOOD AGAIN," why do you bother to watch? Why not spend your time doing literally anything else that might bring you happiness because it seems being a Canes fan isn't for you.

1) It’s my alma mater
2) Some of us can enjoy the game of football without the promise of winning a national championship. You do realize that most programs don’t win the title, right? Why do you think all those schools fill the seats? Because there’s more to the game than just bragging about how many tears you have been the best. Maybe if our fans understood this, more coaches would want to be here!

 

[Cane passion]

Idk to me the team seems to lack the want to. It's the age old statement do u wanna be good or u just kinda want to be good. To many guys to me seem like they only want to be good enough to post a highlight reel not enough drive and want in every guy for them to win. Which I think is a characteristic richt created. Diaz is a guy who has that drive and motivation but u have to get ur players to do the same. People harp on the play calls and everything but if u have players giving it their all the call wont make a difference the guys will force them selves to make a play

I agree many on this site may have their druthers about the coaching staff and to some extent I agree with many in some respects but the kids just gotta get it done. As well as jarren played sometimes when the reads aren’t their he’s gotta take off and run like he did in his senior year in high school. Our linebackers gotta play like they had a chance to get drafted last year. Jon ford has got to play like an animal. Garvin has got to play like he’s a potential first rounder. You can have a good scheme all you want but you can also have a poor scheme as well but sometimes the athletes make you look good. We have the athletes ITS JUST TIME FOR THEM TO MAKE PLAYS FRESHMAN OR NOT!

 

[TheEye]

I dig it. And I appreciate the response.

Here my thing though...

I’ve been patient for a long long time. I realized Randy was in over his head. His hires were a joke, his recruiting was a joke, his backing from the admin was a joke. While I knew all of this I still believed and stayed patient. Players started to never get better, there were clicks, there was a disconnect among HS coaches/recruiting. Then south Florida happened. Nail meet coffin.

I’m not going to go over every little detail but I pretty much did the same with Golden and CMR. I ignored what my eyes were telling me.
Honestly CMR had it going for a little bit and who truly knows what would of happened with a dynamite OC....but that never happened just Donofrio never was fired.

If the Canes have taught me anything over the years .... it is patience and how to spot early bull****.

Listen I would love to be wrong. I would sell my house for $100 if I knew a 6th ring was coming this year. But quite honestly I’m a seasoned veteran when it comes this team.

I said who the **** is Al Golden. Then I watched the Maryland game and said this defense will never work here. I got slammed on here for my early observations.

CMR got hired. I said didn’t he just get fired for not winning enough at UGA? The I watched him assemble his staff. I instantly said we have a very GREEN staff and it will show. Richt jr. Hartley, Banda, Rumph, etc...
We had some of the worst coaches... coaching critical positions/ units. And to top it all off CMR wanted to call plays.

But wait there is more!

Here we sit again with very green/ unproductive coaches at critical positions.

Butch Barry
Hickson
Field
Stubblefield

Patke
Banda
Rumph.

The coach with the most experience is Dan Enos.

People want to sit here and act like it’s a talent thing or inexperience or whatever new thing they come up with.

How do teams like UNC, DUKE, and the UVAs of the world keep beating us? They beat us bc they have solid coaching and they make minimal mistakes. Every wonder why these games have always been dog fights? Most of the time our wins are bc we simply out talent them. We haven’t out executed or out coached a team in nearly 20 years. We simply have just been getting by. Pure luck. I can’t tell you the last time we put a full game together (all 3 phases), honestly.

The coaches we have aren’t suddenly gonna become the next Howard Schnellenberger with more time. Guys like Stubblefield are who they are... mediocre coaches.

Dabo Sweeney isn’t some rock star coach. He’ll he isn’t even an innovator like Lincoln Riley. Dabo new his fate would be defined by who his coordinators were.

Let me remind some of you dense folk who will point to his record the first 3 or so years. The man was treading water. We went to Death Valley and Leonard Hankerson abused them. Their offense was complete dog**** and their defense was no better

But... Dabo goes out and hires a rockstar coordinator by the name of Chad Morris. Morris found instant success. He turned a career backup candidate into the ACC player of the year and his offense never looked back. Then the WVU orange bowl happens... defense gave up 70 points. Dabo goes out and gets one of the best and most under appreciated at the time Brent Venables. BTW one of the main reason this even happened was bc Bob stoops hired his trash brother back to be a CO DC...

Anyway you get the point...

Hire competent guys. Guys with a resume. Guys with a track record of success. Don’t hire guys who can’t stay at a place for more then 2 years. Don’t hire guys who’s previous spot was UTAH, Airforce, kstate, FAMU, Incarnate word....

All those schools you mention: UVA, UNC, Duke, Clemson. All basketball schools. They took the money generated by basketball and contributed to their football programs so step 1) money.
What else did they have in common? Low expectations. No one is walking into those programs expecting to be meat grinded by the fans and boosters. 2) lower expectations
Miami has neither of these. That’s why we need to raid Temple or UConn for coaching candidates. That’s why when we hired a successful alumnus, it was AFTER he was fired. Not before. Don’t expect to steal Mario from Oregon. Not on your life. He ain't coming till they axe him!

 

[Dmorgan15]

We’re not very young at all, actually.

-Our starting WR consist of two Jr’s and a RS Sr.
-2 of of our OLmen have been on campus for 3 yrs
-Starting RB is a Jr

6 of the 11 starters on O are considered upper classmen

-9 of the 11 starters on D are considered upper classmen

I think we’re parroting things w/o research. And pls don’t mention J Will being a RS Fr. We just played against a True Freshman w exactly 1 game under his belt.

We’re not a young team at all, so let’s just remove that excuse from the inbox.

We are young at positions that matter

 

[M3N]

I'm going to reply to you and then allow you to have the last word (if you so choose).

1. I understand what you are saying and I'm not totally dismissing your opinion. There's a lot of truth to what you are saying.

2. Since you brought up Dabo and his (in your words) "rockstar assistant coaches". Here's the list and how they cut their teeth:

When Chad Morris was their OC, Clemson never finished higher than 7th. But, to the main point.

Chad Morris: a career TX HS coach, Tulsa (offensive assistant), and then Clemson. HC Record 14-22 at SMU; 3-11 at Arkansas
Brent Venables: K-State (ILB) & OU (def. coord.). When Venables was hired as def. coord. at Clemson, he was only a co-def. coord.

Other assistants under Dabo:

Tony Elliott (off. coord.): South Carolina St (WR) and Furman (WR)
Jeff Scott (off. coord.): HS and Presbyterian (WR)
Robbie Caldwell (OL): Furman, NC State, NC, Vanderbilt (any of these schools known for producing OL?)
Marion Hobby (co-def. coord. with Venables; currently in the NFL): Tennessee Martin, Louisiana Lafayette

This is your comment about our current staff and I quote: "Hire competent guys. Guys with a resume. Guys with a track record of success. Don’t hire guys who can’t stay at a place for more then 2 years. Don’t hire guys who’s previous spot was UTAH, Airforce, kstate, FAMU, Incarnate word....".

Look at Dabo's guys. Guys on his staff are from high school, Presbyterian, Tennessee Martin, Louisiana Lafayette, South Carolina st? Even the D-I schools like Vandy and NC? Come on bro. If you looked at their resumes (excluding Venables), there was nothing attractive about Dabo's staff before they got to Clemson. The program and fans had patience and it didn't help that Dabo could recruit and the ACC sucked other than FSU.

But, like I said, we are just two different kind of fans. And there is nothing wrong with that. Have a good one, bro.

Again, I appreciate the reply.

A few things I think you are missing and not taking to account.

Lets start with Chad Morris. TX HS coaching legend. He most noted for obviously winning back to back state titles at Lake Travis, but his success really started at Stephenville where also Art Briles dominated. He also change his offense with the help of Guz Malzahn. While his head coaching record is currenlty meh... the dude was the definition of "having a resume and a track record of success". Its his success that got him hire profile jobs in Texas HS. Its his success and proven offensive track record that got him his job opp at Tulsa and Clemson. Its his success at Clemson that...you get the point.

Tony Elliot: Came to Clemson the year Morris did. Obviously he had humble beginnings at smaller schools, but he was groomed under Morris enough to the point that he went from coaching RBs to Co OC/ play caller in 4 years.

Jeff Scott: Son of Brad Scott who coached under Bobby Bowden for a decade was the OC when Ward won the heisman. Obviously his dad has zero bearing here, but hes a coaches son. Also been at Clemson since 08. Hes recruited and developed some of Clemson's best WR. Also he was groomed under Morris. See above like Elliot. Jeff clearly showed a track record of success to get the promotion. Also learning under a stud OC for 4 years helps. Im sure picking his dads brain helped.

Brent Venables: while you may think he was the CO DC originally your are incorrect. Marion Hobby just had an extra title. He really just coached the DL, but that is besides the point. Venables had a proven track record. Played for a top coach in Snyder and learned under a coach who had a proven track record (Bob stoops)

Robbie Caldwell: LOL he hasnt produced an offensive line draft pick in 5 years...


Listen, I get what you are saying about the Clemson. Some came from nowhere. Most all coaches start from nowhere. But...... the good ones typically learn under guys who have a proven track record of success. Their promotions are warranted bc most if not all showed they were successful.

I mean for Christ sakes look at some their coaching trees...

Bear Bryant----GOAT
Gene Stallings---- Natty winner
Dabo ----2x natty

Chad Morris - HS championships
Elliot 2x winner Clemson
Scott ---Dad won Natty at FSU. 2x winner

Hayden Fry-----CFB HOF
Bill Snyder---CFB HOF
Steve Spurrier ---- you know his accolades
Bob Stoops---- Natty winner
Brent Venables--- Natty winner at 2 stops

Clemson fans and admin were not patient. He was on the chopping block till Morris came along.


I stand by what I said earlier. Hire competent guys. Hire guys with a track record of success. That success can be anywhere as long as its football related.

Once upon a time we hired Howard Schnellenberger. Do you remember who he was groomed under? I wont name names but some of the best to do it. When people want a winning horse where do they go?

Manny has a pretty decent track record of success... as a DC. He also learned under some good dudes.

Enos track record is decent as well. Only spent one year under Saban.

The rest of the coaches we have are insufficient to put it lightly. None have any success outside of Rumph (HS championship) Baker (La tech defense was decent).

 

[ddann]

He gave me an Al Golden moment; it was 4th & 1 and Williams got tripped by a former QB now LB coming up short of the 1st down. (Although Williams should’ve stuck the ball out). Anyways, Diaz going to the market, eyes wide open, then “lining his hand up” to say it was 1st down, only to be denied. He did all that hooping and hollering and did not challenge the mark. It looked good for the camera, but he did nothing. That irritated me

Meanwhile, on the other side, Mack Brown calls the officials together, explains to them that his player should not have been flagged for illegal man downfield, and the refs kindly pick up the flag and void the penalty that they had already marked off. Smh.

 

[mcnaire2004]

Supporting this team makes me feel like I live in Cleveland

 

[MiamiChris]

Supporting this team makes me feel like I live in Cleveland

Do you????? JK

 

[moshated305]

How do you only punt twice all game and still lose.

And zero turnovers lol

 

[HurricaneHauk]

110% and this didn’t hit me till yesterday. I hated Stubblefield hire the minute I heard about it, don’t know who Hickson was, already knew Banda can’t coach and finding out he can’t recruit all that great either. Patke popped on the scene at the end of a recruiting season popping up at HS kids visits with other coaches, little did we know because Kool checked out. Now this man is running our special teams. I was excited about a Stoud hire because I thought he would be a solid addition and mentor to Manny but little did I know Jess Simpson was leaving and this guy was our new DL coach.

Butch barry coaches in NFL and I’m cool with that hire, Enos we ponyed up so that was a good move. Blake Baker should honestly probably be our special teams and LB coach not DC.

Like you said in the other post Dabo manages the program, he doesn’t call plays, he doesn’t tell them how to coach the drills, he kisses babies, sucks up to boosters and gets his house in order.

Manny isn’t going to get rid of Patke, Banda or Baker. Those are his guys and they already demoted 2 of them but even with the demotion they are still under qualified for there current jobs.

Only hope I had was at least Diaz wasn't stupid enough to keep Patke/Banda as DC like richt wanted to do

Was richt on crack?

 

[UMercury21]

Get use to another 4 years of mediocre football.

Most members on this board have no idea what good football looks like let alone elite teams. They also have no clue how to spot bad coaches.

Football is simple. There are 3 phases to this game. WIN 2/3 and you’ll win 95% of games. This is something we have failed to donover the last 4 coaches.

Shannon has zero clue what to do on offense. His defense was basic Betty and the ST were marginal.

Golden: While we struggled some offensively we completely dropped the ball defensively. Special teams were a joke as well.

Richt: LOL at the offense. Some of the worst special teams I’ve ever seen from a Miami team. I’m not just talking about the punt team. Return teams and coverage units were incredibly bad.

Diaz: He first-hand saw how Offense and specials teams lost us 6games. He addresses one unit. Completely ignores the special teams.

I get it... the defense folded early and late, but you can’t expect the defense to play perfect every ******* game. But this loss is a simple one . We did not win ONE phase. And before you throw Jarrens stats in my face let me tell you something.

Offense: the delayed blitz plague us again. The slow play action killed us again. Jarren not understanding where the first down marker was... killed us. Failing to get TDs in the red zone killed us.

Defense: unprepared. PERIOD. I never understood why people ever hyped up DJ Ivey. He was average in HS and his physical attributes suggested as such. He was slow in HS... he is slow now. Blades is better by a wide margin.

Special teams: where do I begin? Donaldson is a complete bust. His fat lazy *** got dominated on offense and kick teams. Baxa couldn’t kick it in HS and he can’t kick it now.

Common occurrences that are alarming:

Our WRs are horrible route runners. Specifically JT4. His speed is negated by his atrocious rout running. He made some tough catches but the reason they were tough is bc he gave away the route to the DB.

Receivers (WR,TE) are having a difficult time blocking and catching. Specifically WM85. Anyone can make a TD catch wide open, but he can’t catch a cold when it’s contested.

OL can’t seem to figure out who to block especially when defenses are blitzing the interior.

DL posses no moves or technique. We have talent at the position but we have ZERO moves. Our guys get stifled and just try to bum rush.

I look at these things and then I remembered who coaches them.

Stubblefield: his longest tenure at one stop is no longer then 2 years. His last two schools were Air Force and Utah.

Field: played TE in HS. coached at some major Soflo schools. Coached at FAMU. Mostly a recruiter at Oregon.

Stroud: journeyman DL/ strength guy. Obviously has a history with MD. Clams to fame was the NC state guys 20 years ago. Last stop was AKRON.

If this wasn’t enough go look our guys on the defensive staff. Actually I’ll sum it up quick.

Baker: Manny protege. Multiple stops with manny. Last stop was LA tech.

Banda: Texas n MS State grad assist under Manny. Prior experience. Bar tending

Patke: see above.

Rumph: Miami stud. 1st round pick. NFL vet. Solid HS coach. No college experience.

The above is why we play the way we do. Look who is coaching them!!! They are coached up by nobodies!

We have zero depth at LB and DB. Who’s fault is that? Can we really blame CMR for that? No that was Diaz and his band.

What are you guys seeing that makes you believe we are in the right hands? Seriously, someone Fuxkin enlighten me.

so, if we get 2/3 like you say we win 95% right


well you just said diaz addressed offense, defense still good, so that's 2-3...........................................................

 

[HurricaneHauk]

Meanwhile, on the other side, Mack Brown calls the officials together, explains to them that his player should not have been flagged for illegal man downfield, and the refs kindly pick up the flag and void the penalty that they had already marked off. Smh.

If you were at the game you would have seen that after Howell got sacked to make it 4th and 17 and they called TO, Mack sent out the punt team

They then "reviewed Howell's fumble and Mack sent out the offense afterwards

 

[who]

so, if we get 2/3 like you say we win 95% right


well you just said diaz addressed offense, defense still good, so that's 2-3...........................................................

Offense is mediocre. Still can't do anything in the red zone.
Defense is worse. Did you not watch 4th and 17? Did you not realize a true freshman shredded us all night long?
This team is more unprepared and undisciplined than last year.