The Demise of The U

[Awsi Dooger]

If you think the competitive landscape, table stakes and differentiators are the same today as back then, youre wrong.

Exactly. The powerhouse programs severely underachieved at the same time Miami was flourishing. We conveniently ignored that as if it didn't matter. Bear Bryant got old. Woody Hayes got old and senile. Notre Dame was making uninspired choices of its own like Gerry Faust and later Bob Davie and Tyrone Willingham. USC had a 20 year lull prior to stumbling upon Pete Carroll. I could keep going. Really only Oklahoma among the long time national powers was going strong in the '80s under Switzer and then again with Stoops in 2000. We may delight to mock the Sooners but bottom line they won the title in two of our best seasons...1985 and 2000.

Whenever it was a supposed upset taking down the Canes in a huge game it was the likes of Penn State 1986, Notre Dame 1988, Alabama 1992 and Ohio State 2002. How can anybody be shocked to lose to programs of that caliber? That's why I always spotlight long term and big picture instead of nitpicking personnel specifics. I always expected to defeat Florida State when it mattered. But the pedigreed programs scared the heck out of me.

More recently you've had a recruiting sophistication and consequently a monopolization at the top from elite programs that are now full blast. When Alabama and Ohio State are recruiting at this level then it almost requires a 2001 type team to handle them. Again, check the power ratings. That math dictates one result after another. I still see geniuses here proclaiming 10+ wins next season for Miami even though we are 25 points from where we need to be.

I moved to Las Vegas to bet sports in 1984. I would not do the same in 2019. The terrain is not remotely similar and it reminds me somewhat of recruiting shift over the same time period. I had easy pickings in 1984. Power ratings were virtually non existent other than the major sports. When the sportsbooks decided to book a lesser sport like golf or Olympics they had no idea what the **** they were doing. It was subjective flailing galore and consequently mistakes galore. Difficult not to laugh. Harrah's banned me from betting golf. Posters here like Cane Dynasty preferred the myth that Las Vegas has always been all-knowing and non-erring. Sure, it may look that way it you merely plop in a seat and stare at one game. Or if you swoon to conventional wisdom. But if you were doing the legwork and got to know the tendencies of every sportsbook then the gaffes were glaring. Year after year. It was simply a matter of math and value, playing one bad number against another bad number. These days with painted numbers and so few independent books the guys actually have to pick winners. I have no idea how they accept that type of obstacle. It's the reason I am primarily in stocks.

I mention the Las Vegas stuff only because recruiting old timers no doubt would relay the same type of thing. The recruiting services are similar to power ratings. Instead of sparse and flawed now they have soared in number and accuracy. Additions like position specific test scores help diminish the high profile error. Sleeper cells can only win so many games. And even then it's mostly irrelevant because it won't repeat.

Tinkerbell offense is not the answer. Tinkerbell offense won't come close to making up 25 points. As a USC alum I'm not interested in Urban Meyer for his offense. I would be thrilled that he'd construct a team that could go shoulder to shoulder with an Alabama roster. Miami never even threatens to look the part. It is hilarious. Urban Meyer wherever he went in college football would prioritize SPARQ caliber athletes and also install legitimate defensive intensity instead of the cupcake versions preferred by Mike Leach and so many other frauds touted here every season.

Crowd coaches are the rule. By Miami standards as defined by this board, every coach is favored to fail. They are not awful or all-time worst coaches, as so often denounced. They are Crowd coaches. The next one beyond Diaz is big likelihood to be another Crowd coach. My best dodge suggestion from a Miami perspective would be to hire someone whose responsibility is to get a feel for the nation at all levels in terms of whispered up and coming coaches, whether it's the minor leagues like the Jim Tressel route or mid major like Urban Meyer. Take your sharpest young guy and give him that role. Make sure he has his priorities in order and not merely another cupcake type who thinks 20 rushes per game is sufficient. I like the idea earlier in this thread that Miami focus on analytics. If you've got a young evaluator with that type of math background and focus there's a greater chance he knows what he is doing than some subjective clown. Have a priority list at all times and don't be quick to adjust the list. If someone elevates to #1 there should be a solid power rating reason he tops the list. If your young evaluator keeps ping ponging the list week to week then he's not capable of this role and should be gone.

 

[TheEye]

At the end of the day, the fans outside of Hecht knew that all 5 were horrible hires.. read this board in its various versions from 2000... it chronicled everything.

The cane fans have had a better pulse on each of these hires than any of the hired experts and Bagdad Bobs of the administration.

You may have to go back before the UF game this year. People were calling Manny “Savage” and a “Young Butch” not too long ago. Because of beers and hashtags.

 

[Fbdr24]

I hate Shalala, and now she was voted as my US representative. Ugh life sucks sometimes

 

[Texxcane]

Awsi, not doubting anything you said there man, but the last couple hires Butch imo was the glaring choice. Who in their right ***** mind would hire Manwell over Butch, he's sucked everywhere he has been. I just cant believe the admin still holds a grudge for him leaving for NFL, shows what idiots they are. You obviously are very good with your analytics, I am just using common sense here, something our super educated admin knows nothing about. Think of the millions o dollars these fools have literally thrown away, they shouldnt be crying about money if they can burn it like firewood

 

[stormsurge]

The NCAA wanted us dead and Russian agent Donna Shalala was their man.

good point

we're one good hire from being very good and one excellent hire from being great

but

not with football-hating, man-hating dingalings deciding on who decides

 

[stormsurge]

we were down as **** and with iirc 574 scholie reductions courtesy of the ncaa's equal justice commission (1994 or so)

we developed the greatest roster in cfb history within 7 years

i am not advocating hire butch. i am saying that masterful talent evaluation and development coupled with coaching that the kids respect and buy into will have this program turned around rather quickly

****, most of cfb is very mediocre to awful. a team does not have to be that good to vault over a lot of other programs right now.

 

[Texxcane]

Every coach in the country knows this job is ****, who wants to work for an admin that dont GAF about football, wont support you, and wants to pay you chump change unless you have a huge pedigree. Then you drop a few games and their flying planes over before the game wanting you fired. Lots of good coaches throwing thwir name in that hat ? *** no their avoided it like the plague

 

[DMoney]

Exactly. The powerhouse programs severely underachieved at the same time Miami was flourishing. We conveniently ignored that as if it didn't matter. Bear Bryant got old. Woody Hayes got old and senile. Notre Dame was making uninspired choices of its own like Gerry Faust and later Bob Davie and Tyrone Willingham. USC had a 20 year lull prior to stumbling upon Pete Carroll. I could keep going. Really only Oklahoma among the long time national powers was going strong in the '80s under Switzer and then again with Stoops in 2000. We may delight to mock the Sooners but bottom line they won the title in two of our best seasons...1985 and 2000.

Whenever it was a supposed upset taking down the Canes in a huge game it was the likes of Penn State 1986, Notre Dame 1988, Alabama 1992 and Ohio State 2002. How can anybody be shocked to lose to programs of that caliber? That's why I always spotlight long term and big picture instead of nitpicking personnel specifics. I always expected to defeat Florida State when it mattered. But the pedigreed programs scared the heck out of me.

More recently you've had a recruiting sophistication and consequently a monopolization at the top from elite programs that are now full blast. When Alabama and Ohio State are recruiting at this level then it almost requires a 2001 type team to handle them. Again, check the power ratings. That math dictates one result after another. I still see geniuses here proclaiming 10+ wins next season for Miami even though we are 25 points from where we need to be.

I moved to Las Vegas to bet sports in 1984. I would not do the same in 2019. The terrain is not remotely similar and it reminds me somewhat of recruiting shift over the same time period. I had easy pickings in 1984. Power ratings were virtually non existent other than the major sports. When the sportsbooks decided to book a lesser sport like golf or Olympics they had no idea what the **** they were doing. It was subjective flailing galore and consequently mistakes galore. Difficult not to laugh. Harrah's banned me from betting golf. Posters here like Cane Dynasty preferred the myth that Las Vegas has always been all-knowing and non-erring. Sure, it may look that way it you merely plop in a seat and stare at one game. Or if you swoon to conventional wisdom. But if you were doing the legwork and got to know the tendencies of every sportsbook then the gaffes were glaring. Year after year. It was simply a matter of math and value, playing one bad number against another bad number. These days with painted numbers and so few independent books the guys actually have to pick winners. I have no idea how they accept that type of obstacle. It's the reason I am primarily in stocks.

I mention the Las Vegas stuff only because recruiting old timers no doubt would relay the same type of thing. The recruiting services are similar to power ratings. Instead of sparse and flawed now they have soared in number and accuracy. Additions like position specific test scores help diminish the high profile error. Sleeper cells can only win so many games. And even then it's mostly irrelevant because it won't repeat.

Tinkerbell offense is not the answer. Tinkerbell offense won't come close to making up 25 points. As a USC alum I'm not interested in Urban Meyer for his offense. I would be thrilled that he'd construct a team that could go shoulder to shoulder with an Alabama roster. Miami never even threatens to look the part. It is hilarious. Urban Meyer wherever he went in college football would prioritize SPARQ caliber athletes and also install legitimate defensive intensity instead of the cupcake versions preferred by Mike Leach and so many other frauds touted here every season.

Crowd coaches are the rule. By Miami standards as defined by this board, every coach is favored to fail. They are not awful or all-time worst coaches, as so often denounced. They are Crowd coaches. The next one beyond Diaz is big likelihood to be another Crowd coach. My best dodge suggestion from a Miami perspective would be to hire someone whose responsibility is to get a feel for the nation at all levels in terms of whispered up and coming coaches, whether it's the minor leagues like the Jim Tressel route or mid major like Urban Meyer. Take your sharpest young guy and give him that role. Make sure he has his priorities in order and not merely another cupcake type who thinks 20 rushes per game is sufficient. I like the idea earlier in this thread that Miami focus on analytics. If you've got a young evaluator with that type of math background and focus there's a greater chance he knows what he is doing than some subjective clown. Have a priority list at all times and don't be quick to adjust the list. If someone elevates to #1 there should be a solid power rating reason he tops the list. If your young evaluator keeps ping ponging the list week to week then he's not capable of this role and should be gone.

But the dominant program of today - Clemson- is not a traditional power. And their dynasty started when they hired a cheap WR coach from a failed staff.

We’ve been bad for 15 years. The program should be dead. But we’re still producing NFL players at a Top 5 level. And despite selling a terrible product, we are recruiting at a Top 15 level.

That’s our floor. There is room to improve simply by playing to our talent. And if we do that, we can acquire even better talent.

It’s not that complicated. The coaches that failed at UF, Georgia, Michigan and USC got other head coaching gigs. Our failures didn’t. There is a reason for that. It takes a bum to fail here.

 

[Ethnicsands]

But the dominant program of today - Clemson- is not a traditional power. And their dynasty started when they hired a cheap WR coach from a failed staff.

We’ve been bad for 15 years. The program should be dead. But we’re still producing NFL players at a Top 5 level. And despite selling a terrible product, we are recruiting at a Top 15 level.

That’s our floor. There is room to improve simply by playing to our talent. And if we do that, we can acquire even better talent.

It’s not that complicated. The coaches that failed at UF, Georgia, Michigan and USC got other head coaching gigs. Our failures didn’t. There is a reason for that. It takes a bum to fail here.

You are really trying hard to cling to a narrative and avoid acknowledging anything contrary to your hopes.

Why is it that we hired four coaches in a row who were so awful? Any speculation other than ‘bad luck’?

Do you think our AD understands the programs strengths, weaknesses, and needs, its competitive landscape and hence what to look for in a coach?

Are you unaware of Clemson’s strengths, including it being a state institution that has spent tremendously on facilities, recruits exceptionally well, and rose to prominence by being good in a terrible conference?

Are you so upset over UM failures that you think your comment on Dabo makes sense? Do you think any ‘cheap WR coach’ hired would be equally good? If not, what’s the point of mentioning it? Maybe they figured it out? He was hired as an interim and they saw soemthing, and they were RIGHT. Not sure why that gives you hope about our hiring prospects, which have been consistently not right.

Finally, you wrote that ‘it takes a bum to fail here.’ That’s an incorrect take and precisely the mindset that causes the failure here. It’s just false. The only coaches who have truly succeeded here were guys the NFL coveted. Even Dennis, who had two nfl gigs, had botched this program after winning with JJ’s team and then handed off a mess. There is zero factual evidence that someone who is just ‘not a bum ‘ could succeed here. (Richt was not a bum, but he was a terrible, lazy hire who was destined to fail here, and did.) But too many in our fan base, and probably our admin, believe what you do here. They believe it’s easy and we’ll be fine if we just hire someone okay. So they’re lazy in their hiring, don’t analyze our needs properly, have no framework to assess whether the person we’re considering fits, and spend all their time looking for some feel good narrative rather than actually thinking through the hiring needs. And so here we are. Sucking for 20 years and you’re here still saying it’s easy, and our natiral place is near the top.

I know you care about this program a lot. I just don’t understand why, given that you do, you are so uncritical about what’s needed for it to succeed.

 

[Ethnicsands]

Using the simplest of logic, using a few ven diagrams, you have to distinguish between observing that bums fail here (and everywhere), and identifying what is needed to succeed here. Being a bum equates to failure at Miami. Not being a bum doesn’t equate to success at Miami.

 

[DMoney]

You are really trying hard to cling to a narrative and avoid acknowledging anything contrary to your hopes.

I cling to the facts, and don’t acknowledge overlong, rambling generalities. Thats why I like examples and comparisons.

Why is it that we hired four coaches in a row who were so awful? Any speculation other than ‘bad luck’?

Same reason Alabama hired four bad coaches in a row. Hiring coaches is hard when expectations are high. In our case, we’ve been too reactionary in trying to find the opposite of our previous coach. I also believe we should focus on offensive innovators.

Do you think our AD understands the programs strengths, weaknesses, and needs, its competitive landscape and hence what to look for in a coach?

Blake tied his reputation to Manny by not conducting a search. He should rise and fall with him. If Blake is the reason for the “demise of the program,” there is an easy remedy.

Are you unaware of Clemson’s strengths, including it being a state institution that has spent tremendously on facilities, recruits exceptionally well, and rose to prominence by being good in a terrible conference?

I’m only 34. Clemson has been crap my whole life. So if I’m unaware of Clemson’s advantages, blame the fact that I’m not 50.

Are you so upset over UM failures that you think your comment on iDabo makes sense? Do you think any ‘cheap WR coach’ hired would be equally good? If not, what’s the point of mentioning it? Maybe they figured it out? He was hired as an interim and they saw soemthing, and they were RIGHT. Not sure why that gives you hope about our hiring prospects, which have been consistently not right.

The implication is obvious to anyone who is paying attention. Clemson didn’t buy themselves out of any problem. They just hired the right (cheap) guy after years of failing.

Finally, you wrote that ‘it takes a bum to fail here.’ That’s an incorrect take and precisely the mindset that causes the failure here. It’s just false. The only coaches who have truly succeeded here were guys the NFL coveted. Even Dennis, who had two nfl gigs, had botched this program after winning with JJ’s team and then handed off a mess. There is zero factual evidence that someone who is just ‘not a bum ‘ could succeed here. (Richt was not a bum, but he was a terrible, lazy hire who was destined to fail here, and did.) But too many in our fan base, and probably our admin, believe what you do here. They believe it’s easy and we’ll be fine if we just hire someone okay. So they’re lazy in their hiring, don’t analyze our needs properly, have no framework to assess whether the person we’re considering fits, and spend all their time looking for some feel good narrative rather than actually thinking through the hiring needs. And so here we are. Sucking for 20 years and you’re here still saying it’s easy, and our natiral place is near the top.

Richt is a great example. He was our only good coach but he was at the end of his road. It took him a year to have us ranked #2, finishing #11 and with a top recruiting class. Imagine a young Richt.

Pick any measure you want- NFL players, recruiting rankings. We always get talent no matter how hard we try to ***** it up. That means the right coach can always fix it.

 

[Texxcane]

Money, to your point, I think, put the right coach at The U and BAM. I have always said, 2 places it's near impossible to fail at, UT and UM, you cant win there you may as well get outta coaching because you suck at it

 

[Ethnicsands]

I cling to the facts, and don’t acknowledge overlong, rambling generalities. Thats why I like examples and comparisons.



Same reason Alabama hired four bad coaches in a row. Hiring coaches is hard when expectations are high. In our case, we’ve been too reactionary in trying to find the opposite of our previous coach. I also believe we should focus on offensive innovators.



Blake tied his reputation to Manny by not conducting a search. He should rise and fall with him. If Blake is the reason for the “demise of the program,” there is an easy remedy.



I’m only 34. Clemson has been crap my whole life. So if I’m unaware of Clemson’s advantages, blame the fact that I’m not 50.



The implication is obvious to anyone who is paying attention. Clemson didn’t buy themselves out of any problem. They just hired the right (cheap) guy after years of failing.



Richt is a great example. He was our only good coach but he was at the end of his road. It took him a year to have us ranked #2, finishing #11 and with a top recruiting class. Imagine a young Richt.

Pick any measure you want- NFL players, recruiting rankings. We always get talent no matter how hard we try to ***** it up. That means the right coach can always fix it.

No offense, but you do not seem interested in anything that conflicts with your feel good narrative.

The fact is, the program has stunk for nearly 2 decades. The fact is, only top, top coaches have won here (Coker won with the GOAT cfb team, assembled by Butch, then promptly crashed the program). The fact is, recruiting is different today than 20 years ago. Technology changed it. Money changed It. The fact is, this program has not been relevant since joining the ACC. The fact is, you repeat random nfl player statistics which haven’t correlated to success for us and aren’t asking any tough questions about why that might be the case. You repeat them as if they’re conclusions, but they aren’t.

Winning in cfb is hard. We have Not done the things needed to compete effectively.

 

[DMoney]

The fact is, recruiting is different today than 20 years ago. Technology changed it. Money changed It.

We have been recruiting at a Top 15 level despite playing at a Top 40 level.

If we actually play at a Top 15 level, it is reasonable to assume we will recruit at a Top 10 level.

This is a safe assumption, considering we’ve landed a Top 10 class the last six times we’ve finished in the Top 15. This includes the Class of 2018.

 

[jkaz1]

Don't need to read these articles - I've watched all these games.

Strongly prefer the games from '83 through '01 - or '02 until the call by the ref in the championship.

Don't really recognize the team anymore.

The DL has been fun to watch for a couple years. That's about it.

A team with all this talent in its backyard (and across the state) has to really **** things up not to win for nearly 2 decades.

It's a bizarro college football world.

Sorry if already posted, didn’t see anyone.

But this is a great article:

RIP Miami Football, 1980-2005 (Part 1)

In the Wake of the Worst Loss In Program History, It Is Time to Tell the Story of Miami’s Demise

www.stateoftheu.com

 

[Ethnicsands]

We have been recruiting at a Top 15 level despite playing at a Top 40 level.

If we actually play at a Top 15 level, it is reasonable to assume we will recruit at a Top 10 level.

This is a safe assumption, considering we’ve landed a Top 10 class the last six times we’ve finished in the Top 15. This includes the Class of 2018.

Again, you’re selling a story that comforts you, but ignoring any cracks in your theory Or even trying to understand WHY we underperform.

We have lost progressively more often locally. These days, Alabama, LSU, Clemson and UGA take kids seemingly at will from our back yard, while Auburn, Ohio State and others are threats. And this is while FSU is a mess, which won’t last. UCF is a legit program, and FIU just spanked our ****.

Kids we recruit today have no memory of UM being good. They vist other programs, see what they have to offer, keep up on social media with recruits elsewhere, and increasingly see UM as a stepping stone to a better offer.

Sure, a better coach with an actual understanding of what we need and how to build it would help. Eventually some success could lead to progress and better recruiting, if that coach didnt bolt for a better job. That is part of the reason i have been telling you for ages that we are going about hiring wrong, and not just unlucky. We ave no diagnoses of our needs. That is obvious.

You sound like you think our only issue 20 year string of bad luck. I guess we disagree. Better coaching is a necessary but not sufficient condition to returning to prominance.

 

[DMoney]

Again, you’re selling a story that comforts you, but ignoring any cracks in your theory Or even trying to understand WHY we underperform.

We have lost progressively more often locally. These days, Alabama, LSU, Clemson and UGA take kids seemingly at will from our back yard, while Auburn, Ohio State and others are threats. And this is while FSU is a mess, which won’t last. UCF is a legit program, and FIU just spanked our ****.

Kids we recruit today have no memory of UM being good. They vist other programs, see what they have to offer, keep up on social media with recruits elsewhere, and increasingly see UM as a stepping stone to a better offer.

Sure, a better coach with an actual understanding of what we need and how to build it would help. Eventually some success could lead to progress and better recruiting, if that coach didnt bolt for a better job. That is part of the reason i have been telling you for ages that we are going about hiring wrong, and not just unlucky. We ave no diagnoses of our needs. That is obvious.

You sound like you think our only issue 20 year string of bad luck. I guess we disagree. Better coaching is a necessary but not sufficient condition to returning to prominance.

And yet here we are with the 14th ranked class (11th in average star ranking- tops in Florida). This is despite a staff of non-recruiters and a loss to FIU.

If we actually played like a Top 15 team, it would be a lot easier to recruit.

 

[Ethnicsands]

And yet here we are with the 14th ranked class (11th in average star ranking- tops in Florida). This is despite a staff of non-recruiters and a loss to FIU.

If we actually played like a Top 15 team, it would be a lot easier to recruit.

You’re all over the place here.

no one disagrees that better coaching begets better recruiting.

the thing is, whenever anyone mentions that our admin has been awful, our resources and support are not up to standard, etc., basically anything other than bad luck with coaches, you turn into some leslie neilsen in front of a fireworks factory routine.

what is needed for future success is a good discussion. It is not the same discussion as what we have botched to get where we are, or why, or how.

sure our coaches have underperformed our talent. Not one living person disputes this. No insight there.

Btw., our talent has been undermined by poor evals and mediocre recruiting, and sub-optimized at UM By TERRIBLE roster management.

did you ever wonder how in the world we wound up twice hiring first time HCs off of failed staffs? you sound wholly uncritical of the face plant woatness of our admin and AD (multiple people over time), who keep botching this stuff. Your retort is ‘hey its different people’ so nothing to see here. That sounds like the Vatican’s explanation for child absue.

you need to step back and get your mind around the idea that it aint just bad luck we’ve been living with.

“Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man [Ed: and cfb teams] Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded — here and there, now and then — are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty.

“This is known as ‘bad luck.'”

— Robert Heinlein

 

[DMoney]

the thing is, whenever anyone mentions that our admin has been awful, our resources and support are not up to standard, etc., basically anything other than bad luck with coaches, you turn into some leslie neilsen in front of a fireworks factory routine.

what is needed for future success is a good discussion. It is not the same discussion as what we have botched to get where we are, or why, or how.

sure our coaches have underperformed our talent. Not one living person disputes this. No insight there.

Btw., our talent has been undermined by poor evals and mediocre recruiting, and sub-optimized at UM By TERRIBLE roster management.

did you ever wonder how in the world we wound up twice hiring first time HCs off of failed staffs? you sound wholly uncritical of the face plant woatness of our admin and AD (multiple people over time), who keep botching this stuff. Your retort is ‘hey its different people’ so nothing to see here. That sounds like the Vatican’s explanation for child absue.

you need to step back and get your mind around the idea that it aint just bad luck we’ve been living with.

Yes, our decisionmakers made bad decisions. It’s happened before at every program.

The good news is decisionmakers change. This is not an immutable condition. What is constant is the the talent level. There is a high floor. We’ve been irrelevant for 15 years and we still are bringing in pros at a Top 5 rate. That is priceless.

Just give me competence. We had a glimpse of competence with Richt and we were on top of the world. There is plenty of meat on the bone under the current budget.

Play like a Top 15 team and the elite level will be within reach with a couple special players. That’s how Clemson broke out of a three-decade slump.

 

[Ethnicsands]

Yes, our decisionmakers made bad decisions. It’s happened before at every program.

The good news is decisionmakers change. This is not an immutable condition. What is constant is the the talent level. There is a high floor. We’ve been irrelevant for 15 years and we still are bringing in pros at a Top 5 rate. That is priceless.

Just give me competence. We had a glimpse of competence with Richt and we were on top of the world. There is plenty of meat on the bone under the current budget.

Play like a Top 15 team and the elite level will be within reach with a couple special players. That’s how Clemson broke out of a three-decade slump.

You leep writing this type of comment. the question is why?

it’s apparently an effort to assert that our problems are no different from anyone else’s problems. But that is presumptuous to say the least. And almost certainly false. The source of bad decisions is idiosyncratic here and elsewhere. The result of them may be similar in the sense it translates to losses and fired coaches. Our discussion should include what went wrong in our program, how we botched these hires, why, etc. Or we’re destined to repest them. Blaming bad luck is silly, and trying to shut down a discussion but asserting it’s all the same here and elsewhere is not constructive.