"The chart says go for it" on 4th & 8 up 9 w/ under 1:30 to go at the FSU 23?

[MiamisMoperiestMopes]

No way some of these guys are Canes, we’ve been infiltrated by nolies pretending to be Canes.

Go Canes!

These type of lazy takes are as bad as the ultra mope takes.

I was fine with the call. It seemed like we were trying to do some deception with TO stuff. Worked out about as well as FSU’s look to the sideline and snap it crap.

 

[gabednconfused]

kick the fg there and its over over. You cant sleep walk through the entire qtr then dial up a super aggressive 4th down call after you blew all your chances. Rather they did some dumb **** like that 10 mins prior.

Oh well

 

[No_Fly_Zone]

That 4th quarter was atrocious. No two ways about it. It’s like we just quit playing - like Mario just told the guys to pack it up.

We were so aggressive the first 3 quarters only to then roll over and give them 19 points.

And Yes - YOU KICK THAT **** FG TO GET TO 31. How is this even a debate? We were up, and they had momentum so you get the 3 to stop their momentum and take some of the pressure off.

I honestly can’t tell whether Mario got scared - afraid to lose so he had the team go into a shell, or if he just didn’t want to run up the score so he took his foot off the gas.

Horrible play and play calling in the 4th. We need to fix that.

Now on to UL.

Adding to your point, up until that 4th & 8 we had 18 yards of offense in the 4th quarter. Before that incompletion to Toney, Beck was 2 for 5 for 3 yards for the 4th quarter (one to CJ for -2 and one to Toney for 5).

 

[AUcane]

Yeah that's the only thing I'm upset with tonight. I can live with being aggressive, I can live with players making mistakes, but I can't live with bad coaching decisions in critical moments of the game.

Kick the field goal there and it's effectively game over. 31-19 with around 60 seconds left in the game and no timeouts for FSU. They'd be fighting to get that TD with short yardage plays and time would've run out.

You get stopped and suddenly FSU gets new life believing they can win a squeaker. It's honestly a miracle we didn't lose one of those onside kicks, very hard to recover three in a game, especially the way they were baiting the receiving team to touch the ball early with how the kicks were taken.

A win is a win and I'm not going to complain, but I don't want to hear that from Mario.... if that's true, he needs to get a new chart. I'd much rather like to believe he wanted to call TO but Carson didn't get the message and accidentally ran the play.

Fair point, but Malachi was wide open on that play. Beck just made a bad throw. I thought it was a great play call

 

[SinisterCane]

So who decides or make up the analytic chart?

 

[JHallCanes]

Fair point, but Malachi was wide open on that play. Beck just made a bad throw. I thought it was a great play call

Looked to me that it would have been perfect had Toney not been knocked off his route at the LOS

 

[ssvir]

So who decides or make up the analytic chart?

This thing called MATH

 

[skeeter]

The man has no idea how to read this chart he is mentioning…None

But you don't want the FG to be blocked, I get it. And overall he is building this program back into a top 10 program so we take the good with the bad.

 

[Unsider]

The man has no idea how to read this chart he is mentioning…None

But you don't want the FG to be blocked, I get it. And overall he is building this program back into a top 10 program so we take the Mario with the good.

FIFY

 

[SayWhat]

That's an attempt at an excuse for what was a really dumb move on his part. I know I'll get asked about this, analytics will be my answer.

 

[AUcane]

Despite the bad strategy of going for it instead of taking the points, I thought it was a pretty darn good play call.

 

[RF-4CCane]

The problem with the analytic chart is that it is based on probability by statistics in a vacuum.

It doesn’t take into effect game situation, game flow, your kickers strengths/weaknesses, whether your offense is 1 for 8 in 3/4 downs in the game, time on the clock, field conditions, momentum etc., etc.

It is the most useless crutch of a tool, adopted first by NFL coaches to cover their ***, if the call goes sideways and now college coaches using it as a crutch.

It would be the equivalent of using players in situations based on their season statistics, ignoring who’s in a slump or the hot hand.

The human brain can process far more, given current game situations, than a chart.

I absolutely despise that most coaches use it now. It’s Sabermetrics for dummies.

 

[Canesince02]

I don’t mind it. But Norvell’s call to go for it on 4th and 8 at their own 40 that led to the Fitzgerald pick and 14-3 deficit was absolutely idiotic.

 

[hurricaneman]

I think a big issue is Mario wanted to do the, "by the 4th quarter they're worn out so now we lean on them", except our offense was passing the ball for 3 quarters. The d-line had not be pounded the entire game. This wasn't the game to think you can lean.

 

[WndyCityCane]

November might kill off half this board

It usually does.

 

[NJshoreCane]

The problem with the analytic chart is that it is based on probability by statistics in a vacuum.

It doesn’t take into effect game situation, game flow, your kickers strengths/weaknesses, whether your offense is 1 for 8 in 3/4 downs in the game, time on the clock, field conditions, momentum etc., etc.

It is the most useless crutch of a tool, adopted first by NFL coaches to cover their ***, if the call goes sideways and now college coaches using it as a crutch.

It would be the equivalent of using players in situations based on their season statistics, ignoring who’s in a slump or the hot hand.

The human brain can process far more, given current game situations, than a chart.

I absolutely despise that most coaches use it now. It’s Sabermetrics for dummies.

Bill Parcells was reluctant to rely solely on analytics when deciding to go for it on fourth down, stating, "I wasn't doing it because of the percentages, I was doing it because I had Jumbo Elliott and Mark Bavaro as blockers". He emphasized that a coach's decision should consider "mismatches" on the field and his team's specific strengths, rather than blindly following general data.

“This analytics stuff, I don’t care for it,” Parcells told USA TODAY Sports. “This is a ‘get-off-my-lawn’ guy talking. When you start talking about analytics, everybody’s an expert. ... Analytics are nothing but statistics. I don’t want to sound like I don’t believe in statistics. I used statistics. But I don’t believe the percentages apply in every situation.”