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lol Mario is a very strange coach. He’s been around this **** for a while and why he always has this false sense of confidence on a bunch of high profile players after official visits is exhausting. I know he wins recruiting battles, but my god why does seem like he’s always getting fooled. There’s no way you should feel overly confident in the NIL era. On any player
 
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we got a new, old type of Miami "wow" again lol
 
JHallCanes said:
I’m with you

Honestly the two main things I’m concerned about right now:

1. QB1 and how we replace Cam/X leadership

2. The class of 2024 on the field. Class of 2023 has been a flop. No way around it.

If the staff doesn’t show it can hit on the right players then who gives a **** about rankings?
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True. Outside of Maugoia & Bain we've gotten almost nothing outside of tiny flashes from Damari & Popo. Thank God we got a handful of contributors from the 2022 transition class. But no doubt the 2024 kids + Beck will determine how far we go. I can also see a handful of the 2025 freshman helping us immediately (Toney, Lowe, Schott, Wiley come to mind).
 
Yoyo423 said:
Exactly. For example: Mauigoa vs Cantwell.

There's no way we should be paying Cantwell more in 2026 than we're paying Mauigoa in 2025. So the cost of getting Cantwell also increases the cost of keeping Mauigoa happy.

Now you apply that same process throughout the roster and acquiring lots of 5* talent becomes very expensive.
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Yesterday price isn’t today’s price
 
Lol.. Its July 2nd and we're already in the "flip em before signing day" stage.

All that's left is "we're saving for the portal".


Just a warning to the portal defenders out there, the portal is going to be waaaay down moving forward.

Players who transfer will have to give up large NIL deals that were grandfathered in. Any NIL deal over $600 will have to be approved by the clearinghouse.

Assuming they still want to transfer...

SEC revenue sharing contracts have a "first right of refusal" clause, which allows them to match a higher offer if they receive one from another school.

The SEC won't be the only conference with that clause. So we REALLY need to take care of business with our high school targets.
 
SCarolina Ibis said:
Lol.. Its July 2nd and we're already in the "flip em before signing day" stage.

All that's left is "we're saving for the portal".


Just a warning to the portal defenders out there, the portal is going to be waaaay down moving forward.

Players who transfer will have to give up large NIL deals that were grandfathered in. Any NIL deal over $600 will have to be approved by the clearinghouse.

Assuming they still want to transfer...

SEC revenue sharing contracts have a "first right of refusal" clause, which allows them to match a higher offer if they receive one from another school.

The SEC won't be the only conference with that clause. So we REALLY need to take care of business with our high school targets.
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The whole win a lot of games and we will flip later strategy seems irresponsible, but makes perfect sense for Miami. Until we are out of the ACC most of the high end talent is a pipe dream.
 
Yoyo423 said:
There's no way we should be paying Cantwell more in 2026 than we're paying Mauigoa in 2025. So the cost of getting Cantwell also increases the cost of keeping Mauigoa happy.
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Yeah, but this is real life now. In every pro league, at any given moment, the guy who signed a contract "more recently" might be making more than a guy who has been around longer. Michael Jordan was rarely the highest paid NBA player.

Too many people (mostly from other team websites) have built a whole mythology around college football players being "resentful" of the contracts the freshmen get. But it's no different than any other situation in the sports world. If college players REALLY were so resentful about how much they are being paid annually, I guarantee it won't be any better in the NFL. ****, in the NFL, most of the team should hate the QB.
 
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sedlst11 said:
Dmoney, I know the answer to this but how much is not being in the SEC and BIG hurting our recruiting efforts?

I’m not trying to make excuses for the recruiting, our class is solid right now but with the money we have involved in recruiting I feel like this is a major issue.
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I'm not D$, but it's not hurting Clemson at all.

They're recruiting at an Elite level & are ACC to the bone.

I don't think kids care that much about it as people like to think.

If being in the SEC or B1G was really this major recruiting advantage, then South Carolina, Kentucky, Ole Miss, Mizzou, Vanderbilt, Arkansas, Wisconsin, Iowa, Illinois & Michigan ST would also be recruiting powerhouses, but for some odd reason they're not.

People conflate invidual program success for conference success.

UGA, Bama, OH ST etc.. are not elite programs because of the conference they play in, they're elite because they spend a ton of money & win a lot.

Washington is in the B1G, have they seen a huge spike in their recruiting?

Oklahoma is on their 3rd class since joining the SEC, their class rankings have been, 8th, 17th & currently have the 38th ranked class in the country. Before joining the SEC Oklahoma was an absolute recruiting juggernaut. It's a small sample size by comparison, but they absolutely recruited way better in the Big XII than they have in the SEC thus far.

And it's not as if Miami is sitting at 15 right now, we currently have the #6 class & by NSD will sign several more prospects.

The best schools that recruit at an Elite level do so irregardless of their conference.
 
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Memnon said:
I'm not D$, but it's not hurting Clemson at all.

They're recruiting at an Elite level & are ACC to the bone.

I don't think kids care that much about it as people like to think.

If being in the SEC or B1G was really this major recruiting advantage, then South Carolina, Kentucky, Ole Miss, Mizzou, Vanderbilt, Arkansas, Wisconsin, Iowa, Illinois & Michigan ST would be also be recruiting powerhouses, but for some odd reason they're not.

People conflate invidual program success for conference success.

UGA, Bama, OH ST etc.. are not elite programs because of the conference they play in, they're elite because they spend a ton of money & win a lot.

Washington is in the B1G, have they seen a huge spike in their recruiting?

Oklahoma is on their 3rd class since joining the SEC, their class rankings have been, 8th, 17th & currently have the 38th ranked class in the country. Before joining the SEC Oklahoma was an absolute recruiting juggernaut. It's a small sample size by comparison, but they absolutely recruited way better in the Big XII than they have in the SEC thus far.

And it's not as if Miami is sitting at 15 right now, we currently have the #6 class & by NSD will sign several more prospects.

The best schools that recruit at an Elite level do so irregardless of their conference.
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Clemson has been out recruiting us the last serval years?
 
Memnon said:
I'm not D$, but it's not hurting Clemson at all.

They're recruiting at an Elite level & are ACC to the bone.

I don't think kids care that much about it as people like to think.

If being in the SEC or B1G was really this major recruiting advantage, then South Carolina, Kentucky, Ole Miss, Mizzou, Vanderbilt, Arkansas, Wisconsin, Iowa, Illinois & Michigan ST would be also be recruiting powerhouses, but for some odd reason they're not.

People conflate invidual program success for conference success.

UGA, Bama, OH ST etc.. are not elite programs because of the conference they play in, they're elite because they spend a ton of money & win a lot.

Washington is in the B1G, have they seen a huge spike in their recruiting?

Oklahoma is on their 3rd class since joining the SEC, their class rankings have been, 8th, 17th & currently have the 38th ranked class in the country. Before joining the SEC Oklahoma was an absolute recruiting juggernaut. It's a small sample size by comparison, but they absolutely recruited way better in the Big XII than they have in the SEC thus far.

And it's not as if Miami is sitting at 15 right now, we currently have the #6 class & by NSD will sign several more prospects.

The best schools that recruit at an Elite level do so irregardless of their conference.
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In terms of overall talent I agree with your point, but when looking at the guys rated top 5 in their positions the overwhelming majority are signed to P2 conferences.
 
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cway313 said:
In terms of overall talent I agree with your point, but when looking at the guys rated top 5 in their positions the overwhelming majority are signed to P2 conferences.
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Right, but that's because they have the most teams & the teams who tend to be the best at recruiting are mostly in those conferences.

Okay, I'll put it like this:

Do you (or anybody) think that if Bama, or UGA, or Ohio ST, suddenly left their conferences & went to the ACC or Big XII that their recruiting would fall off a cliff?

I mean, Texas had top 5 classes when they were in the Big XII, they went to the SEC & are still getting top 5 classes, so what exactly changed?

Notre Dame recruits at an Elite level, what conference are they in?

I'll do you one better...

Do you think teams like VA Tech, or Pitt would suddenly start recruiting at a high level if they went to the B1G or SEC?
 
Ten win and showed that we can win even though we fell short, and we still can’t crack the next tier in recruiting. It just shows it’s the same schools regardless of NIL, I have given up that we will win a natty one day. We can be just good that’s it.
 
Memnon said:
Right, but that's because they have the most teams & the teams who tend to be the best at recruiting are mostly in those conferences.

Okay, I'll put it like this:

Do you (or anybody) think that if Bama, or UGA, or Ohio ST, suddenly left their conferences & went to the ACC or Big XII that their recruiting would fall off a cliff?

I mean, Texas had top 5 classes when they were in the Big XII, they went to the SEC & are still getting top 5 classes, so what exactly changed?

Notre Dame recruits at an Elite level, what conference are they in?

I'll do you one better...

Do you think teams like VA Tech, or Pitt would suddenly start recruiting at a high level if they went to the B1G or SEC?
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Facts all facts but people lie narratives and excuses
 
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