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CANEMC said:
For shyts and giggles, how does Saban rank?
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2021 - 122
2020 - 48
2019 - 114
2018 - 65
2017 - 21
2016 - 25
2015 - 67

My guess is that as Alabama shifted from more ground & pound/win with defense to a more air based attack, it opens you up for more penalties.

When you run, you basically get called for holding. When you're passing - you're more open to holding, but also interference, illegal shifts, ineligible man down field, intentional grounding - etc. Plus the pace is quicker, so just more plays per game where penalties can happen. That's why Navy is consistently among the least penalized.

But D$'s point is dead on - penalties reflect poor discipline.
 
bshaw28 said:
2021 - 122
2020 - 48
2019 - 114
2018 - 65
2017 - 21
2016 - 25
2015 - 67

My guess is that as Alabama shifted from more ground & pound/win with defense to a more air based attack, it opens you up for more penalties.

When you run, you basically get called for holding. When you're passing - you're more open to holding, but also interference, illegal shifts, ineligible man down field, intentional grounding - etc. Plus the pace is quicker, so just more plays per game where penalties can happen. That's why Navy is consistently among the least penalized.

But D$'s point is dead on - penalties reflect poor discipline.
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That strikes me as correct. Here was Bama at the beginning of the decade:

2010- 8
2011- 3
2012- 7
2013- 39
2014- 18
 
DMoney said:
Penalties, while not a perfect indicator, can reflect discipline. New England regularly ranks in the Top 5 under Bill Belichick, for example.

I wanted to see how this applied to our coaches. The data on penalty yardage per game goes back to 2003 and tells an interesting story.

Larry Coker led an undisciplined group. Miami ranked 112, climbed to 82, then dropped back to 102 and 107.

Randy Shannon cleaned things up at first. In his first year, the team jumped sixty places to 47. It steadied at 48 the next year, and then dropped to 80 before bottoming out at 115.

Al Golden followed a similar path. In his first year, the team jumped 85 places to 30. It was 76 the next year, then 45. When the team gave up on Golden, it got ugly. We were 111 in '14 and then 128 (last in the nation) the year he got fired.

Mark Richt's path was steadier. The initial jump from last place was modest (ten spots to 118) before a meaningful to leap to 45 which sustained at 48.

Manny Diaz is the most consistent of the group. Not in a good way. When Manny replaced Richt, we dropped almost sixty spots to 103, dropped again to 112 and currently sit at 113 in the nation.
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DMoney said:
Penalties, while not a perfect indicator, can reflect discipline. New England regularly ranks in the Top 5 under Bill Belichick, for example.

I wanted to see how this applied to our coaches. The data on penalty yardage per game goes back to 2003 and tells an interesting story.

Larry Coker led an undisciplined group. Miami ranked 112, climbed to 82, then dropped back to 102 and 107.

Randy Shannon cleaned things up at first. In his first year, the team jumped sixty places to 47. It steadied at 48 the next year, and then dropped to 80 before bottoming out at 115.

Al Golden followed a similar path. In his first year, the team jumped 85 places to 30. It was 76 the next year, then 45. When the team gave up on Golden, it got ugly. We were 111 in '14 and then 128 (last in the nation) the year he got fired.

Mark Richt's path was steadier. The initial jump from last place was modest (ten spots to 118) before a meaningful to leap to 45 which sustained at 48.

Manny Diaz is the most consistent of the group. Not in a good way. When Manny replaced Richt, we dropped almost sixty spots to 103, dropped again to 112 and currently sit at 113 in the nation.
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Diaz is a *****. The kids like him, but don’t respect him. Because they see he’s a *****.
 
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DMoney said:
Penalties, while not a perfect indicator, can reflect discipline. New England regularly ranks in the Top 5 under Bill Belichick, for example.

I wanted to see how this applied to our coaches. The data on penalty yardage per game goes back to 2003 and tells an interesting story.

Larry Coker led an undisciplined group. Miami ranked 112, climbed to 82, then dropped back to 102 and 107.

Randy Shannon cleaned things up at first. In his first year, the team jumped sixty places to 47. It steadied at 48 the next year, and then dropped to 80 before bottoming out at 115.

Al Golden followed a similar path. In his first year, the team jumped 85 places to 30. It was 76 the next year, then 45. When the team gave up on Golden, it got ugly. We were 111 in '14 and then 128 (last in the nation) the year he got fired.

Mark Richt's path was steadier. The initial jump from last place was modest (ten spots to 118) before a meaningful to leap to 45 which sustained at 48.

Manny Diaz is the most consistent of the group. Not in a good way. When Manny replaced Richt, we dropped almost sixty spots to 103, dropped again to 112 and currently sit at 113 in the nation.
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That's how you quantify that Manny
 
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Well done.

This is a pretty airtight argument that our coaching has been horrible.

Last in penalties and tackling is inexcusable, indefensible, and totally unacceptable
 
JHallCanes said:
One of the most brutal parts of watching our games every week is watching how undisciplined we are and the announcers also telling us how undisciplined we are

Also @DMoney this plays into your previous post about seniority

Like what it’s gonna get better with young guys?
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Regarding your question, hopefully they aren’t influenced by the lack of discipline yet
 
DMoney said:
Penalties, while not a perfect indicator, can reflect discipline. New England regularly ranks in the Top 5 under Bill Belichick, for example.

I wanted to see how this applied to our coaches. The data on penalty yardage per game goes back to 2003 and tells an interesting story.

Larry Coker led an undisciplined group. Miami ranked 112, climbed to 82, then dropped back to 102 and 107.

Randy Shannon cleaned things up at first. In his first year, the team jumped sixty places to 47. It steadied at 48 the next year, and then dropped to 80 before bottoming out at 115.

Al Golden followed a similar path. In his first year, the team jumped 85 places to 30. It was 76 the next year, then 45. When the team gave up on Golden, it got ugly. We were 111 in '14 and then 128 (last in the nation) the year he got fired.

Mark Richt's path was steadier. The initial jump from last place was modest (ten spots to 118) before a meaningful to leap to 45 which sustained at 48.

Manny Diaz is the most consistent of the group. Not in a good way. When Manny replaced Richt, we dropped almost sixty spots to 103, dropped again to 112 and currently sit at 113 in the nation.
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Dmony, the Miami penalty are mostly legit calls. However, here is question for you, how many holding calls have been against Bama, AP and MSU versus Miami? I don't remember a single one and we have all seen plenty that should have been. Plenty wrong with fundamentals with the Canes right now, but the lack of holding calls on the other teams is bull.
 
jazperbc said:
Dmony, the Miami penalty are mostly legit calls. However, here is question for you, how many holding calls have been against Bama, AP and MSU versus Miami? I don't remember a single one and we have all seen plenty that should have been. Plenty wrong with fundamentals with the Canes right now, but the lack of holding calls on the other teams is bull.
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Miami doesnt play in such a way that they deserve those calls and the refs dont respect Manny
 
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