State of the Program Post-Shannon vs Post-Golden

[DTP]

There was a handful of talented players left over from Randy but the overall quality of the roster was garbage. The team was loaded with guys that shouldn't have been offered scholarships or at best should have been career reserves.

The simplest way to decide is to ask yourself: What were my reasonable expectations for the team in 2011 versus 2016. I'd say the general consensus here is that 9-10 wins is pretty reasonable for 2016 given the talent on hand. Can anybody realistically say they expected 9-10 wins in 2011? Even before the Shapiro suspensions?

only a handful? really? you want to count how many of those players are currently in the pros? compare that to what golden has left us. only artie and maybe corn stand out as nfl ready talents.

Yes, there was only a handful of NFL draft quality players on the roster in 2011. I'm not counting players that were freshmen or sophomores that hadn't contributed yet. If you want to do that, you're going to have to wait another four years and count up the players on the current roster who make it to the pros to make an even comparison.

I'll ask for the third time, what are your expectations for the 2016 team versus the 2011 team?

 

[brock]

That 2011 team is far superior to what Golden left behind...sorry but it's a fact.

Lamar Miller
Seantrel Henderson
Olivier Vernon
Travis Benjamin
Allen Hurns
Sean Spence
Ray Ray Armstrong
Ramon Buchanon
etc.


Golden mentally destroyed the majority of the team with his BS.

That 2011 team is far superior to what Golden left behind...sorry but it's a fact.

Lamar Miller
Seantrel Henderson
Olivier Vernon
Travis Benjamin
Allen Hurns
Sean Spence
Ray Ray Armstrong
Ramon Buchanon
etc.


Golden mentally destroyed the majority of the team with his BS.

You are basing that off of what they have done in the pros, if you are talking about how they have progressed and played at Miami then Golden clearly left us off in a better shape than Shannon. Miami has a bunch of proven players at each position with tons of experience. Do you not remember trotting out the wake forest transfer to go along with brandon McGee? Jimmy Gaines, Tyrone cornellious?

that was golden's decision to push all those players off the team and take coal shovelers and transfers that fit his mold. has nothing to do with the pros. lamar miller, travis benjamin, olivier vernon, spence etc were all balling in college. idk what you are remembering, they were obviously very talented alot of them part of that #1 recruiting class. the suspensions and failure to meet expectations as a team is probably clouding your memory.

I'd rather have the talent we had now outside of the oline group
Qb Brad kaaya, rosier, sherries, testeverde, Allison
Rb- Joe Yearby,Gus Edwards, Mark Walton, trayone gray, Travis homer
te- njoku, Herndon, dobard, Washington
De- Muhammad, Jackson, Thomas, Joe Jackson, Trent Harris, patchan, bethel, mcintosh, Mike smith
Dt- Anthony moten, Gerald Willis, Kenderick Norton, courtel Jenkins
Lb- Jermaine grace, juwon young, Darrion Owens, gayot, Quaterman, Pinckney, mccloud, gordinier

CB- elder, bryd, redwine, ced wright
S- Carter, Jenkins, Jaquan,

Much deeper and overall more talented than what we had after shannon

 

[Deez Nuts]

Bridgewater decommitted because he wanted to play for a black head coach, and said so. He was successful at revising history when it was apparent he was going to the NFL - and changed the story to "worried after the Jacory thing".

oh look the somebody bringing up race....why isnt everybody attacking him??? oh i get it, nobody wants to talk about race when its something they don't want to hear. but when its convenient its perfectly fine. did i get that right?

 

[Deez Nuts]

That 2011 team is far superior to what Golden left behind...sorry but it's a fact.

Lamar Miller
Seantrel Henderson
Olivier Vernon
Travis Benjamin
Allen Hurns
Sean Spence
Ray Ray Armstrong
Ramon Buchanon
etc.


Golden mentally destroyed the majority of the team with his BS.

That 2011 team is far superior to what Golden left behind...sorry but it's a fact.

Lamar Miller
Seantrel Henderson
Olivier Vernon
Travis Benjamin
Allen Hurns
Sean Spence
Ray Ray Armstrong
Ramon Buchanon
etc.


Golden mentally destroyed the majority of the team with his BS.

You are basing that off of what they have done in the pros, if you are talking about how they have progressed and played at Miami then Golden clearly left us off in a better shape than Shannon. Miami has a bunch of proven players at each position with tons of experience. Do you not remember trotting out the wake forest transfer to go along with brandon McGee? Jimmy Gaines, Tyrone cornellious?

that was golden's decision to push all those players off the team and take coal shovelers and transfers that fit his mold. has nothing to do with the pros. lamar miller, travis benjamin, olivier vernon, spence etc were all balling in college. idk what you are remembering, they were obviously very talented alot of them part of that #1 recruiting class. the suspensions and failure to meet expectations as a team is probably clouding your memory.

I'd rather have the talent we had now outside of the oline group
Qb Brad kaaya, rosier, sherries, testeverde, Allison
Rb- Joe Yearby,Gus Edwards, Mark Walton, trayone gray, Travis homer
te- njoku, Herndon, dobard, Washington
De- Muhammad, Jackson, Thomas, Joe Jackson, Trent Harris, patchan, bethel, mcintosh, Mike smith
Dt- Anthony moten, Gerald Willis, Kenderick Norton, courtel Jenkins
Lb- Jermaine grace, juwon young, Darrion Owens, gayot, Quaterman, Pinckney, mccloud, gordinier

CB- elder, bryd, redwine, ced wright
S- Carter, Jenkins, Jaquan,

Much deeper and overall more talented than what we had after shannon

if you say so, thats your opinion....give me lamar miller, travis benj., olivier vernon, seantrel, spence, rayray, tommy streeter, hurns, etc (and dont forget duke, dorsett, chickillo who were committed to randy)

shannon left way more talent. golden might be deeper, but deeper with jags. nobody on the team right now has demonstrated to be anything special compared to those guys from '11. i mean really, 90% of the players you just listed havent done **** in college.

 

[Cans4life]

We're a Left Tackle, LB depth, dynamic Safety, dynamic RB, solid Corner and solid WR from competing for a playoff spot next year.

We may be able to find partials of some of those on the current roster.

I'd say it's much, much better shape than 2011.

That's a lot of missing pieces. This roster is not even close to competing for a playoff spot.

 

[Deez Nuts]

There was a handful of talented players left over from Randy but the overall quality of the roster was garbage. The team was loaded with guys that shouldn't have been offered scholarships or at best should have been career reserves.

The simplest way to decide is to ask yourself: What were my reasonable expectations for the team in 2011 versus 2016. I'd say the general consensus here is that 9-10 wins is pretty reasonable for 2016 given the talent on hand. Can anybody realistically say they expected 9-10 wins in 2011? Even before the Shapiro suspensions?

only a handful? really? you want to count how many of those players are currently in the pros? compare that to what golden has left us. only artie and maybe corn stand out as nfl ready talents.

Yes, there was only a handful of NFL draft quality players on the roster in 2011. I'm not counting players that were freshmen or sophomores that hadn't contributed yet. If you want to do that, you're going to have to wait another four years and count up the players on the current roster who made it to the pros to make an even comparison.

I'll ask for the third time, what are you're expectations for the 2016 team versus the 2011 team?

i repeat, only a handful?? i believe we had SIX players drafted in 2012...compared to what maybe 2, 3 next year? (elder and coley look like the only for sure NFLers and thats bc they didnt leave this year...imagine if any of those EIGHT canes drafted in 2011 wouldve stayed)

expectations have nothing to do with it. golden himself lowered the bar, i knew we still had a talented team in 2011. golden is the one that made everyone believe that he needed time and blablabla. i dont feel any better about our team going into next year aside from the fact that golden wont be coaching

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

[). Shannon left this program worse than its ever been not even talking about Shapiro. Golden was left with conference USA talent. There were reports that he didn't even follow up with conditioning throughout the year (golden said it multiple times with how out of shape the team was and he said his temple team was in better condition).

Shannon inherited a recruiting class with 2 players. "Conditioning"? Really? Did you not watch the Clemson game? We didn't even look like we belonged on the field with those cats. Randy's teams NEVER looked like that against Clemson the 2 times they played...EVER! Point blank, conditioning fell off during the Golden's tenure, $H!T was a phuckin' joke!

 

[ThomasM]

They looked like that against Virginia, though.

[). Shannon left this program worse than its ever been not even talking about Shapiro. Golden was left with conference USA talent. There were reports that he didn't even follow up with conditioning throughout the year (golden said it multiple times with how out of shape the team was and he said his temple team was in better condition).

Shannon inherited a recruiting class with 2 players. "Conditioning"? Really? Did you not watch the Clemson game? We didn't even look like we belonged on the field with those cats. Randy's teams NEVER looked like that against Clemson the 2 times they played...EVER! Point blank, conditioning fell off during the Golden's tenure, $H!T was a phuckin' joke!

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

They looked like that against Virginia, though.

Sure, and they looked like that against FSU in 2010...but Randy's teams never lost to two teams, in one season, by a combined score of 117-21!!!

But Al's teams were in "great shape" huh?...LMFAO!!!

 

[Orangebowl]

Shannon got an amazing recruiting class in 2008 because 5(6?) Miami Northwestern players decided to stay together. Other than that his classes were awful.

 

[407cane]

They looked like that against Virginia, though.

Sure, and they looked like that against FSU in 2010...but Randy's teams never lost to two teams, in one season, by a combined score of 117-21!!!

But Al's teams were in "great shape" huh?...LMFAO!!!

That had nothing to do with conditioning imo.

We were in the fsu game the whole time. Are you telling me that unc is more physically imposing than fsu?

Our coaches were terrible and had us down big early and then the players gave up in both games. Period

 

[LuCane]

We're a Left Tackle, LB depth, dynamic Safety, dynamic RB, solid Corner and solid WR from competing for a playoff spot next year.

We may be able to find partials of some of those on the current roster.

I'd say it's much, much better shape than 2011.

That's a lot of missing pieces. This roster is not even close to competing for a playoff spot.

Compare what the 2011 roster needed. That was the topic of this thread.

 

[poncho0091]

Shannon left a handful of upperclassmen that could hardly produce at UM. They were here one year then they ALL jumped to the NFL. Many of them as juniors. I remember some NFL people saying how many of these kids had no business declaring for the NFL early, yet they did anyway. Now, that leads us to the underclassmen he left on the roster.... You want to tell me about THAT talent? It was non-existent. There's a reason Golden had straight up garbage in the secondary in 2012. There's a reason everyone in the secondary now has started from day one. There was NO talent left there. There was even LESS left on the D-line. The recruiting in 2009 and 2010, and heading into the 2011 class, was straight up junk. Rankings be damned, there was no talent left after the 2008 class left. None.

Shannon had our roster looking like straight garbage.

I would say Golden left us in better shape

Shannon left a tone of NFL talent, I wouldn't call it gargage

Completely agree. Some people think I was a golden "slurper" because I gave him enough time to have first class graduate. I wasn't a huge golden guy but I did ONLY BECAUSE of how terrible a coach Shannon was(and because unless inheriting a championship team I think most should graduate their first class). Shannon left this program worse than its ever been not even talking about Shapiro. Golden was left with conference USA talent. There were reports that he didn't even follow up with conditioning throughout the year (golden said it multiple times with how out of shape the team was and he said his temple team was in better condition). His recruiting classes turned out to be terrible and the majority of the NFL players he did manage to recruit never did anything respectable on campus and managed to succeed DESPITE Shannon, not because of him . 48-0 against Virginia at the farewell game in the orange bowl, whether true or not there was even reports that he sabotaged the incoming class golden had because he knew he was on the way out. He honestly single handedly killed this program, I wish nothing but the worst for him.

Did you forget Al says what ever he feels like to place blame on someone else? I'm not saying I don't believe some of it, but this is Al we're talking about. He was making excuses for his failures before he even started.

Funny you say players succeeded despite Shannon, because our players succeeded despite Golden. You're an idiot if you believe our downfall is all on Shannon. He had his part, but your Golden support is blinding you. Maybe you should take another look at how the fanbase felt about each coach at the end of their tenure. I think people might have actually killed someone if Golden stayed another year.

In the end, Shannon was not a good coach, but he at least had a decent defense. Golden sucked at everything.

 

[poncho0091]

Shannon left a handful of upperclassmen that could hardly produce at UM. They were here one year then they ALL jumped to the NFL. Many of them as juniors. I remember some NFL people saying how many of these kids had no business declaring for the NFL early, yet they did anyway. Now, that leads us to the underclassmen he left on the roster.... You want to tell me about THAT talent? It was non-existent. There's a reason Golden had straight up garbage in the secondary in 2012. There's a reason everyone in the secondary now has started from day one. There was NO talent left there. There was even LESS left on the D-line. The recruiting in 2009 and 2010, and heading into the 2011 class, was straight up junk. Rankings be damned, there was no talent left after the 2008 class left. None.

Shannon had our roster looking like straight garbage.

I would say Golden left us in better shape

Shannon left a tone of NFL talent, I wouldn't call it gargage

again I wouldn't say that recruiting in 2009 and 2010 was garbage
Let's look at 2009 signed 19 players

Ray Ray _ NFL Player
Mike James _ NFL Player
Brandon McGee -NFL player
Lamar Miller _ NFL starter
Olivier Vernon- NFL Starter
Luther Robinson_ NFL player


2010 class of 25
Asante Cleveland _NFL player
Stephen Morris _ NFL player ( in an active roster)
Shane Mcdermont _NFL starter
Jon Faliciano _ NFL starter
Brondon Linder -NFL Starter
Clive Walford _ NFL starter
Chase Ford _NFL player played a few games for the eagles
Storm Johnson _ NFL Player
Allen Hurns _ NFL player future all pro
Seantrell Henderson _ NFL starter

How are these guys garbage when they playing in the league, I am sure there are a few more...

How many of those performed well WHILE At miami? That is what most of us are saying

It doesn't really matter how they performed. They were poorly coached under both coaches so their performance was subpar, but the talent was available if the right coach came.

 

[poncho0091]

We're a Left Tackle, LB depth, dynamic Safety, dynamic RB, solid Corner and solid WR from competing for a playoff spot next year.

We may be able to find partials of some of those on the current roster.

I'd say it's much, much better shape than 2011.

you think the DL is in that good of shape?

It's no comparison we had Olivier Vernon, Marcus Robinson and who else? Forston wasn't that good.
We have the following on the dline next year, possibly more
4star De alquadin Muhammad
5star dt/de Gerald Willis
5star Chad Thomas
4star Anthony moten
4star Kenderick Norton
3star courtel Jenkins
3star Rj mcintosh
4star demetrious Jackson
4star Scott patchan
4star Trent Harris
4star Mike smith
4star pat bethel
4star Joe Jackson

This is a bad comparison, because none of these guys have done anything significant yet. You forget Forston was a 5 star as well. In the end, he sucked. There were a lot of guys in Shannon's earlier classes that got hype. What will you say if Thomas doesn't do anything in the end? Ultimately, that entire group could bust (not saying they will) and they would look just the same as Shannons.

 

[nebcane]

Glad the Vikes got their hearts ripped out today. Can't stand Bridgewater and his damned ****y throat slashing ***. Hope he never wins anything of consequence in the NFL.

This - couldn't agree more. He enjoyed punking us.

 

[Cans4life]

We're a Left Tackle, LB depth, dynamic Safety, dynamic RB, solid Corner and solid WR from competing for a playoff spot next year.

We may be able to find partials of some of those on the current roster.

I'd say it's much, much better shape than 2011.

That's a lot of missing pieces. This roster is not even close to competing for a playoff spot.

Compare what the 2011 roster needed. That was the topic of this thread.

I was commenting on your first statement, that we are only a few players away from being a Playoff Team. I pretty much agree we're in better shape than 2011, but not as much as some may think.

 

[DTP]

There was a handful of talented players left over from Randy but the overall quality of the roster was garbage. The team was loaded with guys that shouldn't have been offered scholarships or at best should have been career reserves.

The simplest way to decide is to ask yourself: What were my reasonable expectations for the team in 2011 versus 2016. I'd say the general consensus here is that 9-10 wins is pretty reasonable for 2016 given the talent on hand. Can anybody realistically say they expected 9-10 wins in 2011? Even before the Shapiro suspensions?

only a handful? really? you want to count how many of those players are currently in the pros? compare that to what golden has left us. only artie and maybe corn stand out as nfl ready talents.

Yes, there was only a handful of NFL draft quality players on the roster in 2011. I'm not counting players that were freshmen or sophomores that hadn't contributed yet. If you want to do that, you're going to have to wait another four years and count up the players on the current roster who made it to the pros to make an even comparison.

I'll ask for the third time, what are you're expectations for the 2016 team versus the 2011 team?

i repeat, only a handful?? i believe we had SIX players drafted in 2012...compared to what maybe 2, 3 next year? (elder and coley look like the only for sure NFLers and thats bc they didnt leave this year...imagine if any of those EIGHT canes drafted in 2011 wouldve stayed)

expectations have nothing to do with it. golden himself lowered the bar, i knew we still had a talented team in 2011. golden is the one that made everyone believe that he needed time and blablabla. i dont feel any better about our team going into next year aside from the fact that golden wont be coaching

There's 85 scholarship players on a FBS football team. 6 or 7 is only a handful. Like I said, there were some legit good players but the overall talent level was poor. They had to start a bunch of players who had no business even being on the roster let alone starting or getting serious playing time. The team Mark Richt is inheriting has some depth issues at a couple of positions but the roster is not littered with guys who are borderline FBS talent. He will not have to go picking up Wake Forest castoffs to start at corner back nor have to rely on players the quality of Shayon Green or Tyrone Cornelious to start on his defense.

If you can truly say your expectations for the 2011 season were just as high as for the 2016 season, you're welcome to that opinion but you're in the severe minority.

 

[Deez Nuts]

There was a handful of talented players left over from Randy but the overall quality of the roster was garbage. The team was loaded with guys that shouldn't have been offered scholarships or at best should have been career reserves.

The simplest way to decide is to ask yourself: What were my reasonable expectations for the team in 2011 versus 2016. I'd say the general consensus here is that 9-10 wins is pretty reasonable for 2016 given the talent on hand. Can anybody realistically say they expected 9-10 wins in 2011? Even before the Shapiro suspensions?

only a handful? really? you want to count how many of those players are currently in the pros? compare that to what golden has left us. only artie and maybe corn stand out as nfl ready talents.

Yes, there was only a handful of NFL draft quality players on the roster in 2011. I'm not counting players that were freshmen or sophomores that hadn't contributed yet. If you want to do that, you're going to have to wait another four years and count up the players on the current roster who made it to the pros to make an even comparison.

I'll ask for the third time, what are you're expectations for the 2016 team versus the 2011 team?

i repeat, only a handful?? i believe we had SIX players drafted in 2012...compared to what maybe 2, 3 next year? (elder and coley look like the only for sure NFLers and thats bc they didnt leave this year...imagine if any of those EIGHT canes drafted in 2011 wouldve stayed)

expectations have nothing to do with it. golden himself lowered the bar, i knew we still had a talented team in 2011. golden is the one that made everyone believe that he needed time and blablabla. i dont feel any better about our team going into next year aside from the fact that golden wont be coaching

There's 85 scholarship players on a FBS football team. 6 or 7 is only a handful. Like I said, there were some legit good players but the overall talent level was poor. They had to start a bunch of players who had no business even being on the roster let alone starting or getting serious playing time. The team Mark Richt is inheriting has some depth issues at a couple of positions but the roster is not littered with guys who are borderline FBS talent. He will not have to go picking up Wake Forest castoffs to start at corner back nor have to rely on players the quality of Shayon Green or Tyrone Cornelious to start on his defense.

If you can truly say your expectations for the 2011 season were just as high as for the 2016 season, you're welcome to that opinion but you're in the severe minority.

6 or 7 players drafted is only a handful? Lmao wtf? cant take u serious. So what they got 85 players wut does that mean? Only about maybe a quarter are seniors. Did you forget that? How many players u expect to be drafted? 10, 15? lmao do you pay attention to the draft? 6 or 7 is alot gtfoh there are 100plus colleges and only 7 rounds. Are u being serious? 6 or 7 players drafted from one school isnt impressive? Lmao wut do u expect the whole sr class and walkons drafted also? For any school whether it be bama fsu etc 7 is ALOT of players to get drafted from one school lmao u gotta be trolling

either way even if you want to say 6 or 7 drafted is not alot (smh lmao)....how many will be drafted next year?? maybe two. so compare that 6/7 to 2/3, either way it points to shannon leaving more talent than golden...

smh still cant believe you are not impressed with 6/7 players drafted lol as if its a normal thing for a colleges to have that many players drafted. i respect your opinion but stop trolling man...all it does is invalidate your opinion

 

[rsa coral gables]

He will not have to go picking up Wake Forest castoffs to start at corner back

are you referring to the current green bay packers cornerback who played in an NFL playoff last sunday?