Stadium

[Go Canes!!]

Unless you live around the corner from Tropical the location is inconvenient for most of south Florida and not on campus.

That is definitely true. I live in that area. The traffic would be horrendous.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

This is why I would love to go to field turf. Our field with grass gets very slippery and slick at times and other times huge chunks come up.

The issue with the field is the Dolphins and whoever oversees field maintenance.

During the Duke game the drainage was horrific. It’s a simple fix they must do. By simple, I mean it can be done. They may have to install a new drainage system but they have to do it.

 

[SonnyLong]

We have a great Stadium. Let It Go.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

Never understand why people state their own personal thoughts as absolutes.

If it's such a monumental waste of money, why did UCF do it and USF is trying to do it?

There are lots of advantages, some monetary, and some control-oriented. Either build a "satellite campus" with UM fundraising money or let the City of Miami do it and use it for concerts and events.

If UM builds it, then you could build a wing of the Med School that focuses on sports injuries. Or the Miami Project to Cure Paralysis.

Think big, guys. No more "there's no land" or "it costs money". That used to be the argument against the IPF.

Not happening get over it.

And please don’t use UCF’s cheap ašś high school stadium as an example.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

The average person on this board works 9 to 5 at the local Shake Shack, cleaning the grease racks. The other half are middle managers at a jet ski rental hut.

Asking them to think big is asking too much.

Besides, our fanbase as a whole act like a bunch of battered wives. Somewhere, sometime, Donna Shalala floated the idea that we don’t have any money, and that we can never get the city to allow a stadium.

She got us to like Hard Rock the way your mom got you to eat your peas.

There’s no doubt we could build a stadium if the will were there. And frankly, it’s ridiculous that a program of Miami’s stature doesn’t already have one.

You must not understand finances.

A new stadium would cost ~ $400 million, minimum.

For six games a year.

Not happening.

 

[TreOFive]

I know I know, we've heard this a thousand times...

But, with Manny's dad being the former Mayor of Miami, do you all think, with some success, that Manny has a greater chance of getting a stadium built due to his apparent stronger political pull in Miami? I went to the Notre Dame game in 2017 and Hard Rock competed with every college stadium I've been to in terms of atmosphere (last Miami game I went to was in Sun Life with ~25,000 people there). Would you all prefer a stadium in, say Tropical Park or keep playing at Hard Rock?

got video surveillance of OP right before he posted

stop snortin that sh_t dog!!!

 

[TurntUp]

She does stink right now, she passed away 2 months ago but thanks for asking.

She passed from me jamming her up... I'll always be your daddy son!

 

[mitchellorin]

What is wrong with the location exactly? The students can't get to the game? Doesn't seem to be an issue when playing FSU or ND? Oh look there's an on campus basketball arena. How's the student section during those games?

Yeah I mean it would be nice to have a football stadium closer to campus, but you're right. And have you ever seen the traffic on campus after basketball games? Would take literally all night to clear out if there was a stadium near campus. Hard Rock is much better designed to handle the influx and is conveniently located off 95, there's no way anything near campus could ever compete with that. Plus I think the admin likes it being more convenient for literally anyone who's not a student.

Sorry for miswording the original post because you're totally right, I just meant that the only possible complaint someone could have now.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

That's another NIMBY conversation to be held on another board. APTA and DOT funding has been cut by the federal gov't. And we know how NIMBY folk can be.

Ridiculous. It's basically the same neighborhood as 2 miles to the east (where the baseball stadium is). Miami has been ramming a soccer stadium into the area around Culver (until recently). Not sure why you think we need DOT funding, the 836 is already in place, and Douglas and LeJeune are already there. NW 7th Avenue is the same road that the baseball stadium is on.

So I give you a perfect site 2 miles west of the baseball stadium, roughly the same size (if not bigger, when factoring in the Casino land) and all you can do is invent future arguments that the residents would make?

Entire sections of Dade County (and much higher priced areas) are being rebuilt constantly. I mention a site that has commercial on 2 sides, and suddenly you become a homeowners' advocate.

This is why we will never have a stadium, any time anyone mentions it, we find a bunch of people who start arguing against us before we even make the effort.

 

[pacusmc]

It’s not the fact there isn’t any room in dade county. Dade county is currently about to build the nations biggest mall off of I75. The issue is cost to benefit.
The perfect time would’ve been to rebuild the OB before the renovations. But the the changes are spectacular. The 4 huge screens the noise the rain and sun cover the food options.
The cost to break ground a new stadium just for the U just not feasible or realistic to make it better than Hardrock even if it was closer to campus.
The location is perfect from a convenience and traffic standpoint. The stadium has its own turnpike access and between both counties.
Do you guys remember the nightmare traffic at the OB??!! Parking at tio pepe’s and abuelas house??!!
The only problem is that the kids can’t just go see it when they visit and like averything else pictures and video won’t do it justice.
However this on campus stadium thing has been used by teams after we started loosing.
The swamp and doak and the coliseum at usc have been there before we started winning nattys and it never affected recruiting then.
Last year they blacked out hardrock during the night games right before the team runs though the smoke and it was awesome!!
And the tailgates are fire!!
Anyone have tailgate videos to post?

 

[Rellyrell]

You are talking to people who actually believe Miami home games are comparable to college home games that are played on campus. It is all time hilarity and it will never stop. They applied the ignorance in major globs.

Hey, now we have a patched roof atop our 32 year pro stadium 40 minutes from campus. That makes our parking lot drunk even more amazing. The Race Track gas station dropped 3 cents. Walmart has more Roll Backs. And don't try to pretend that Alabama hosts a major tennis tournament within yards of that Bear Bryant statue.

Howard Schnellenberger knew what he was doing. There are always brilliant foresightful types among all the competing conventional wisdom dullards. We blew this decades ago. Now we patch campus with an indoor facility and somehow brainstorm that all is swell. It's like a country club installing a new putting green.

Have the surrounding area been upgraded? More restaurants or bars?

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Oh, come on. You're comparing the land/money it takes to build a stadium, not to mention the city approval process, to building the IPF?
And you're comparing our situation with UCF, which played in a dilapidated stadium and couldn't reach an agreement with the owners to make necessary changes, but has a massive amount of land on their own campus and proper ingress/egress infrastructure?

Get outta here, man.

You really don't know what in the **** you are talking about. And you are ridiculously overmatched when it comes to using logic.

No, I did not compare the "city approval process". I compared the ongoing negativity and bad attitude among UM fans.

As for what you know about UCF (which is all of nothing), the Citrus Bowl had an approved $100 million renovation on the schedule. UCF didn't care, they wanted an on-campus stadium. Had NOTHING to do with "dilapidated". As for "reaching an agreement with the owners to make necessary changes", that is also a lie you are telling. The City of Orlando wanted to make the improvements because it was trying to go after the Final Four games, the NFL Pro Bowl, and other events. As stated earlier, this was approved by the voters, so stop telling lies about what UCF did and why.

And they didn't have a "massive amount of land on campus" and "proper ingress/egress infrastructure". Anyone who has been to a game at UCF will tell you that traffic is disastrous, there are exactly zero expressways, it is one main surface road (Alafaya) and a bunch of on-campus 2-lane roads. Furthermore, the stadium is wedged onto a fairly small piece of land.

But, hey, you're going to keep inventing reasons why Miami should not try to build its own stadium, which is what a bunch of our so-called fans have been doing for decades.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Can you please explain what you mean by diminishing parking?

The Dolphins keep taking more and more of the parking lot away. First it was the Tennis Center. Next up is the new Dolphins practice facility. Where have you been? The parking lot is getting smaller and smaller.

 

[Canes305]

The Dolphins keep taking more and more of the parking lot away. First it was the Tennis Center. Next up is the new Dolphins practice facility. Where have you been? The parking lot is getting smaller and smaller.

I have literally never had an issue finding parking at Hard Rock. Do you remember how great it was to find parking at the OB? The stadium previously had a seating capacity of 75K and was reduced to 65K with the renovations. Did they need to keep the same amount of parking spaces?

 

[TheOriginalCane]

That’s not nearly big enough and that whole shopping center is owned by the family that owns Magic City casino. They’ll never, ever sell that land. They don’t need the money and are waiting for casinos to be legalized in Florida.

Casinos are legalized in Florida.

And it is a very simple proposition, you find some other land that will make them happier. (As just an example), the old Miami Herald land was going to be used for a casino (a foreign-owned one that wanted to build a massive casino). There's land in Wynwood, there's land in North Miami. ****, the Costco in North Miami just moved 5 blocks away. King of Diamonds just closed. Shopping centers and malls all over the place are going belly-up.

Find land. Acquire. Do a like-kind exchange.

Very simple, very easy. The current land is in a bad location for a "high-roller" casino (though I guess it works for the dirt gamblers).

Most everything in Miami (including casinos) is being built vertically. You can see the Hard Rock Hotel for miles. Plenty of land available, you just need to do something, and stop listening to whiny CIS posters tell us why the possible is so **** impossible.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Our contract is in play till 2025 @ Hard Rock Stadium, on another note Tropical Park is off limits. Your better off being creative and buy out the Miami seaquarium. There you can technically build an on campus stadium and do a parking garage @ Virginia key. Furthermore you can work with the city of key Biscayne to expand lanes and create a overpass walkway to allow fans access to the stadium instead of crossing the street. See how complicated this is? Not impossible, but very hard and would cost a fortune! For now, just enjoy how loud Hard Rock Stadium is and great the venue is.

PS: I enjoy my alcohol @ the games and I refuse to buy season tickets where I cant buy a **** beer.

2025 is SIX YEARS AWAY. People act like we are locked into some sort of 99 year lease.

And the Dolphins are going to want us to sign some sort of 25 year extension after that.

So let's plan something now, while retail is crashing and burning, and let's get it done. I mentioned ONE location that is a stone's throw from the northern tip of Coral Gables, and people act like some dirt casino and some people living in 70 year old houses are some sort of impenetrable impediment.

 

[Fightinibis]

I know I know, we've heard this a thousand times...

But, with Manny's dad being the former Mayor of Miami, do you all think, with some success, that Manny has a greater chance of getting a stadium built due to his apparent stronger political pull in Miami? I went to the Notre Dame game in 2017 and Hard Rock competed with every college stadium I've been to in terms of atmosphere (last Miami game I went to was in Sun Life with ~25,000 people there). Would you all prefer a stadium in, say Tropical Park or keep playing at Hard Rock?

Well, his dad was always on the up and up, especially when it came to conforming to the OB lease terms and keeping the Ole Girl in tip top shape....so, you never know.

UM

 

[TheOriginalCane]

You must not understand finances.

A new stadium would cost ~ $400 million, minimum.

For six games a year.

Not happening.

Our new dorms are going to cost a billion dollars. For six months a year.

Miami is made of money.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

I have literally never had an issue finding parking at Hard Rock. Do you remember how great it was to find parking at the OB? The stadium previously had a seating capacity of 75K and was reduced to 65K with the renovations. Did they need to keep the same amount of parking spaces?

This is ridiculous. You are, literally, comparing apples to oranges.

The issue is not whether you have "literally never had an issue" parking. The issue is factual, the Stadium is reducing parking by building the Tennis Center and the Dolphins Practice facility. That is happening.

And you can ***** and moan about the reduced seating capacity, but they are reducing parking capacity by a fraction that exceeds 10/75.

But, hey, let's keep making excuses to play in an off-campus stadium built in the 1980s which continues to reduce parking capacity. Sure, the blinking lights on the ribbon boards can be hypnotic, so let's just forget about all of the other advantages about having our own stadium much closer to campus and directly off of an expressway.

As for the Orange Bowl, it never had parking garages. Rather than compare the Hard Rock to the Orange Bowl, it is better to compare it to the Marlins stadium. Build a few garages, and parking in the neighborhoods is not a necessity.

Good lord, how many more bogus reasons will pop up that try to justify us remaining a lifelong rental tenant?

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

Our new dorms are going to cost a billion dollars. For six months a year.

Miami is made of money.

Ok, Don Quixote.

A stadium won’t be quashed by message board heroes, but it can be driven by its financial and logistical feasibility and by the will and impetus of key drivers and decision makers.

I say that the drive and impetus to build a stadium does not exist, mainly because of the financial and logistical obstacles and because the vast majority of fans and key decision makers are more than satisfied by our current stadium.

So without the impetus and the need, there is little to no chance of it ever happening.

Nobody here can stop it being built by posting the painfully obvious rationale that there is a next to nothing chance of it ever happening.

But go ahead and tilt at windmills, nobody’s stopping you.