Stadium

[Arel305]

2025 is SIX YEARS AWAY. People act like we are locked into some sort of 99 year lease.

And the Dolphins are going to want us to sign some sort of 25 year extension after that.

So let's plan something now, while retail is crashing and burning, and let's get it done. I mentioned ONE location that is a stone's throw from the northern tip of Coral Gables, and people act like some dirt casino and some people living in 70 year old houses are some sort of impenetrable impediment.

I messed up it's actually 2035

 

[Ray52]

Speaking of the stadium, where will Miami now hold their spring game with the Miami open taking place in the stadium every March? They recently started building the temporary bleachers and court:

 

[Twhizman]

No other cfb team has what Miami can offer especially when the new dorms are completed.Miami has modern facilities,best stadium hc who understands the Miami way.start winning nothing not even sec bags will be able to put recruit us.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Ok, Don Quixote.

A stadium won’t be quashed by message board heroes, but it can be driven by its financial and logistical feasibility and by the will and impetus of key drivers and decision makers.

I say that the drive and impetus to build a stadium does not exist, mainly because of the financial and logistical obstacles and because the vast majority of fans and key decision makers are more than satisfied by our current stadium.

So without the impetus and the need, there is little to no chance of it ever happening.

Nobody here can stop it being built by posting the painfully obvious rationale that there is a next to nothing chance of it ever happening.

But go ahead and tilt at windmills, nobody’s stopping you.

A bunch of worthless word-salad words.

Do you get a nickel every time you use the word "impetus"?

And could you make up any more misleading BS than the "vast majority of fans and key decision makers are more than satisfied by our current stadium"? This simply is not true. Though compared to "nothing", yes, lots of people are satisfied. You have no idea of how the evaluation changes when you have an actual option. To quote the great Chris Rock, "you're only as faithful as your options".

We have time to acquire land and we have time to plan a stadium. It took us a long time to build the arena and the IPF and the Student Union, but we got it done. There is no rush, but we need to consider the future, and not just sit around happy with the remaining 16 years on our lease.

College football and collegiate life has changed. University administrators now view collegiate athletics as a key driver to both university applicant pools as well as campus life and involvement (perhaps supplanting Greek life). This is no longer about some nerdy accountant telling you that the expenses outweigh the revenue.

Furthermore, Frenk is not going to get a contract extension as President, so you have no idea who our leader will be in a couple of years (hopefully we can take a second shot at Admiral Stavridis). He's the guy we should have hired, if our BoT had not cheaped-out on a University President's salary.

But, hey, keep coming up with more born-loser nonsense about how a stadium won't pay for itself.

And I'll give you a quarter if you use "impetus" two more times in your (boringly inevitable) response.

 

[CaneFan79]

 

[canesproponent]

I flew in for both the Notre Dame and the VTech games last year and the atmosphere was incredible. I thought the roof was caving in. The amenities, the noise and the stadium swaying were tremendous advantages.

We have a top-10 game-day experience. If the offense mirrors the defense, the stadium will garner close to 60,000 fans per game. I would NOT trade the new Joe Robbie for another stadium.

 

[canesproponent]

A bunch of worthless word-salad words.

Do you get a nickel every time you use the word "impetus"?

And could you make up any more misleading BS than the "vast majority of fans and key decision makers are more than satisfied by our current stadium"? This simply is not true. Though compared to "nothing", yes, lots of people are satisfied. You have no idea of how the evaluation changes when you have an actual option. To quote the great Chris Rock, "you're only as faithful as your options".

We have time to acquire land and we have time to plan a stadium. It took us a long time to build the arena and the IPF and the Student Union, but we got it done. There is no rush, but we need to consider the future, and not just sit around happy with the remaining 16 years on our lease.

College football and collegiate life has changed. University administrators now view collegiate athletics as a key driver to both university applicant pools as well as campus life and involvement (perhaps supplanting Greek life). This is no longer about some nerdy accountant telling you that the expenses outweigh the revenue.

Furthermore, Frenk is not going to get a contract extension as President, so you have no idea who our leader will be in a couple of years (hopefully we can take a second shot at Admiral Stavridis). He's the guy we should have hired, if our BoT had not cheaped-out on a University President's salary.

But, hey, keep coming up with more born-loser nonsense about how a stadium won't pay for itself.

And I'll give you a quarter if you use "impetus" two more times in your (boringly inevitable) response.

Take a Xanax or indulge in some cannabis.

The basketball arena culminated in a $25M loan that the Athletic department just recently paid off. This unanticipated loan added $5M in annual expenditures to the budget (due to principal and interest payments), and took over a decade to pay off.

UM will NOT throw away $400M on a venue that they will use 6x per annum.

The Soffer (sic) IPF barely reached its funding objective, despite the lead donor spotting us 50% of the cost. Mark Light's funding objective for the most recent renovations were $45M and they capped out at $23M.....

You really think UM can raise $400M for stadium.....

 

[423Hurricane]

The issue with the field is the Dolphins and whoever oversees field maintenance.

During the Duke game the drainage was horrific. It’s a simple fix they must do. By simple, I mean it can be done. They may have to install a new drainage system but they have to do it.

You probably recall that the original surface in the OB was grass. Obviously, Turf wasn't invented yet. Can't recall exactly when it happened, but they went to one of the original versions of AstroTurf. It was awful. When they went back to grass, an elaborate irrigation and drainage system was installed and worked very well. All that to say I'm surprised the surface at HRS is that bad - especially for an NFL stadium. There's obviously been many upgrades since the OB and even since the original surface at HRS.

 

[Alien]

Maybe manny can walk on water? Just maybe?

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Take a Xanax or indulge in some cannabis.

The basketball arena culminated in a $25M loan that the Athletic department just recently paid off. This unanticipated loan added $5M in annual expenditures to the budget (due to principal and interest payments), and took over a decade to pay off.

UM will NOT throw away $400M on a venue that they will use 6x per annum.

The Soffer (sic) IPF barely reached its funding objective, despite the lead donor spotting us 50% of the cost. Mark Light's funding objective for the most recent renovations were $45M and they capped out at $23M.....

You really think UM can raise $400M for stadium.....

As an alum, I know **** well that we can raise the money, or cut a check, or anything else we want to do.

The basketball arena was LONG-delayed, from back in the days when Ryder was the name-sponsor. It was built, and opened, when we were in the Big Least and had very little conference revenue. Now, if Foote and/or Shalala put the full $25 million burden on the Athletic Department, then I would go back and call bullsh!t, as the University uses the facility for Orientation, graduation, concerts, and other non-athletic purposes. Thus, the Athletic Department should never have had to pay off a loan paid for solely out of athletic department revenues.

Regardless, the world has changed. We are in the ACC now, and the ACC Network starts next year. With over 15 years more success, exposure, and growth for most Miami-based teams (excluding the Panthers), there would be plenty of sponsorship revenue available for a new football stadium, though that does not have to represent the main source of funding.

As I stated earlier, there are myriad ways in which you could harness other aspects to the stadium, from external (bowl games, concerts) to academic (attaching a Med School mini-campus). And, as per usual, everyone likes to overlook the importance of having motivated alums (down the road) who are willing to give back to the University. If a person just goes to UM, doesn't pledge a fraternity/sorority, never makes the trip to Hard Rock, and graduates without doing much at UM, that person is very unlikely to respond to fund-raising efforts 10, 20, 30 years from now.

And UM wants to vault back up the rankings of the best colleges. For that, we need more applicants, we need a better selectivity index. Many other schools have proven that one of the best ways to do that is by fielding successful athletic teams.

So, yeah, let's just whine about the price-tag, when it's half of what we are going to spend on Millenial Village.

Hey, does that pedestrian bridge over US 1 pay for itself?

Some things are just worth doing, even if they don't run a profit.

 

[423Hurricane]

The initial capital outlay, as large as it would be, is only the beginning of a commitment by the university to literally create an entirely new entity to operate and maintain a stadium - an overwhelming undertaking by any measure.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

The initial capital outlay, as large as it would be, is only the beginning of a commitment by the university to literally create an entirely new entity to operate and maintain a stadium - an overwhelming undertaking by any measure.

Oh, sure, the University of Florida is nearly bankrupt because of their white-elephant stadium.

 

[canesproponent]

As an alum, I know **** well that we can raise the money, or cut a check, or anything else we want to do.

The basketball arena was LONG-delayed, from back in the days when Ryder was the name-sponsor. It was built, and opened, when we were in the Big Least and had very little conference revenue. Now, if Foote and/or Shalala put the full $25 million burden on the Athletic Department, then I would go back and call bullsh!t, as the University uses the facility for Orientation, graduation, concerts, and other non-athletic purposes. Thus, the Athletic Department should never have had to pay off a loan paid for solely out of athletic department revenues.

Regardless, the world has changed. We are in the ACC now, and the ACC Network starts next year. With over 15 years more success, exposure, and growth for most Miami-based teams (excluding the Panthers), there would be plenty of sponsorship revenue available for a new football stadium, though that does not have to represent the main source of funding.

As I stated earlier, there are myriad ways in which you could harness other aspects to the stadium, from external (bowl games, concerts) to academic (attaching a Med School mini-campus). And, as per usual, everyone likes to overlook the importance of having motivated alums (down the road) who are willing to give back to the University. If a person just goes to UM, doesn't pledge a fraternity/sorority, never makes the trip to Hard Rock, and graduates without doing much at UM, that person is very unlikely to respond to fund-raising efforts 10, 20, 30 years from now.

And UM wants to vault back up the rankings of the best colleges. For that, we need more applicants, we need a better selectivity index. Many other schools have proven that one of the best ways to do that is by fielding successful athletic teams.

So, yeah, let's just whine about the price-tag, when it's half of what we are going to spend on Millenial Village.

Hey, does that pedestrian bridge over US 1 pay for itself?

Some things are just worth doing, even if they don't run a profit.

Attend a game next year after we destroy Florida in the opener.

Am 100% against a venue that UM can only use sparingly. Many of the events that you list are now held in the BASKETBALL arena!

Hard Rock is a HUGE advantage. Unless Ross markedly increases rent, it is a superior venue.

If Ross tries to overcharge the school when the lease expires, UM can play at Hard Rock against the top tier opponents and play at Beckham's stadium against the Dukes, Pitts and UVAs. They could sell 30,000 season tickets for the Beckham games and sell out Hard Rock for the VTech, FSU, Notre Dame games....

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

A bunch of worthless word-salad words.

Do you get a nickel every time you use the word "impetus"?

And could you make up any more misleading BS than the "vast majority of fans and key decision makers are more than satisfied by our current stadium"? This simply is not true. Though compared to "nothing", yes, lots of people are satisfied. You have no idea of how the evaluation changes when you have an actual option. To quote the great Chris Rock, "you're only as faithful as your options".

We have time to acquire land and we have time to plan a stadium. It took us a long time to build the arena and the IPF and the Student Union, but we got it done. There is no rush, but we need to consider the future, and not just sit around happy with the remaining 16 years on our lease.

College football and collegiate life has changed. University administrators now view collegiate athletics as a key driver to both university applicant pools as well as campus life and involvement (perhaps supplanting Greek life). This is no longer about some nerdy accountant telling you that the expenses outweigh the revenue.

Furthermore, Frenk is not going to get a contract extension as President, so you have no idea who our leader will be in a couple of years (hopefully we can take a second shot at Admiral Stavridis). He's the guy we should have hired, if our BoT had not cheaped-out on a University President's salary.

But, hey, keep coming up with more born-loser nonsense about how a stadium won't pay for itself.

And I'll give you a quarter if you use "impetus" two more times in your (boringly inevitable) response.

You’re an angry pseudo-intellectual that has no clue how the real word works. Dispute my point which is that there is no impetus at the university to build a stadium.

Without that impetus there is nothing that will generate the push for a stadium. In other words, nobody at UM thinks it’s a good idea.

Impetus

Impetus

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[423Hurricane]

Oh, sure, the University of Florida is nearly bankrupt because of their white-elephant stadium.

I certainly understand your passion and stance for a stadium closer to campus. I have no doubt you're aware it's been discussed for years. Even when the OB was still standing. The City of Miami owned and operated the OB well before the Dolphins came to town. That changed things drastically. It's a massive undertaking operating and maintaining a football stadium as I can attest being my father was the OB Stadium Manager from 1960 to 1979. Things have surely changed in the years since he retired but I would venture to say that as CFB has grown to the point it is now, it's an even bigger challenge.

 

[canesproponent]

As an alum, I know **** well that we can raise the money, or cut a check, or anything else we want to do.

The basketball arena was LONG-delayed, from back in the days when Ryder was the name-sponsor. It was built, and opened, when we were in the Big Least and had very little conference revenue. Now, if Foote and/or Shalala put the full $25 million burden on the Athletic Department, then I would go back and call bullsh!t, as the University uses the facility for Orientation, graduation, concerts, and other non-athletic purposes. Thus, the Athletic Department should never have had to pay off a loan paid for solely out of athletic department revenues.

Regardless, the world has changed. We are in the ACC now, and the ACC Network starts next year. With over 15 years more success, exposure, and growth for most Miami-based teams (excluding the Panthers), there would be plenty of sponsorship revenue available for a new football stadium, though that does not have to represent the main source of funding.

As I stated earlier, there are myriad ways in which you could harness other aspects to the stadium, from external (bowl games, concerts) to academic (attaching a Med School mini-campus). And, as per usual, everyone likes to overlook the importance of having motivated alums (down the road) who are willing to give back to the University. If a person just goes to UM, doesn't pledge a fraternity/sorority, never makes the trip to Hard Rock, and graduates without doing much at UM, that person is very unlikely to respond to fund-raising efforts 10, 20, 30 years from now.

And UM wants to vault back up the rankings of the best colleges. For that, we need more applicants, we need a better selectivity index. Many other schools have proven that one of the best ways to do that is by fielding successful athletic teams.

So, yeah, let's just whine about the price-tag, when it's half of what we are going to spend on Millenial Village.

Hey, does that pedestrian bridge over US 1 pay for itself?

Some things are just worth doing, even if they don't run a profit.

(1.) Read Dee's comments on the $25M loan. Google Dee's comments as to why he refused to break ground on Mark Light until they reached $23.5M in donations. Google "new Ron Fraser building", which they never built because they never attained the $10M they sought..... The "new" stadium plans also called for new batting cages which also did not materialize. Morris pitched a fit and they acquiesced on the aluminum stands, but those stands were out of Athletic's General budget.

(2.) What does Mercedez pay for the Saints' sponsorship or Microsoft for Dallas?

(3.) We are not an SEC school. What do you mean by "top school"? The school is now ranked 50 and they formerly called it "sun tan U". It was ranked in 200s during the 80s in most rankings. They raised $4B in the past campaigns WITHOUT football.

Conclusion: You are irrational and delusional.

Hard Rock is a HUGE ADVANTAGE!

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Attend a game next year after we destroy Florida in the opener.

Am 100% against a venue that UM can only use sparingly. Many of the events that you list are now held in the BASKETBALL arena!

Hard Rock is a HUGE advantage. Unless Ross markedly increases rent, it is a superior venue.

If Ross tries to overcharge the school when the lease expires, UM can play at Hard Rock against the top tier opponents and play at Beckham's stadium against the Dukes, Pitts and UVAs. They could sell 30,000 season tickets for the Beckham games and sell out Hard Rock for the VTech, FSU, Notre Dame games....

Wow, it's so great when you know all the answers.

If you think that either Ross or Beckham will agree to part-time schedules for Miami, you have another thing coming. We haven't even fully finalized our 2019 schedule, while the MLS schedule is already done. Who do you think will have priority?

So nice that YOU are "100% against a venue that UM can only use sparingly". Again, you ignore the words that I use, such as using the stadium year-round for a Sports Medicine campus for the Med School. The poor Med School is jam-packed right now, it would be helpful for them to spread out a bit, and the stadium site I mentioned would be a couple of miles from the main Med campus.

Finally, it's just genius that you are calling Hard Rock a "superior venue" over, literally, nothing. We have not even conceptualized, let alone built, a UM football stadium, but already you have declared Hard Rock "superior". Look, by the time that we could even build a stadium, Hard Rock is going to be 40 years old. People in Atlanta laugh at you and your antiquated stadium.

"Attend a game next year"? I've had season tickets for decades. But thanks for the tip. Hey, how did that "loudest stadium I've ever played in" atmosphere last just a few games after we beat Notre Dame? Because this year was a pretty dead environment.

But, sure, EVERYTHING is going to immediately and permanently change after we beat UF.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

I certainly understand your passion and stance for a stadium closer to campus. I have no doubt you're aware it's been discussed for years. Even when the OB was still standing. The City of Miami owned and operated the OB well before the Dolphins came to town. That changed things drastically. It's a massive undertaking operating and maintaining a football stadium as I can attest being my father was the OB Stadium Manager from 1960 to 1979. Things have surely changed in the years since he retired but I would venture to say that as CFB has grown to the point it is now, it's an even bigger challenge.

I am a UM alum, have been for decades. I know exactly what is going on.

And I am not saying that maintaining a football stadium is NOT a big job, I'm just pointing out that dozens of universities do so without it becoming "overwhelming" (your word, not mine).

 

[423Hurricane]

I am a UM alum, have been for decades. I know exactly what is going on.

And I am not saying that maintaining a football stadium is NOT a big job, I'm just pointing out that dozens of universities do so without it becoming "overwhelming" (your word, not mine).

Point Taken. The difference being that said universities have been doing it for years and established said stadiums years ago without the logistical and financial challenges a university stadium project in todays environment would most likely encounter.

 

[canesproponent]

Wow, it's so great when you know all the answers.

If you think that either Ross or Beckham will agree to part-time schedules for Miami, you have another thing coming. We haven't even fully finalized our 2019 schedule, while the MLS schedule is already done. Who do you think will have priority?

So nice that YOU are "100% against a venue that UM can only use sparingly". Again, you ignore the words that I use, such as using the stadium year-round for a Sports Medicine campus for the Med School. The poor Med School is jam-packed right now, it would be helpful for them to spread out a bit, and the stadium site I mentioned would be a couple of miles from the main Med campus.

Finally, it's just genius that you are calling Hard Rock a "superior venue" over, literally, nothing. We have not even conceptualized, let alone built, a UM football stadium, but already you have declared Hard Rock "superior". Look, by the time that we could even build a stadium, Hard Rock is going to be 40 years old. People in Atlanta laugh at you and your antiquated stadium.

"Attend a game next year"? I've had season tickets for decades. But thanks for the tip. Hey, how did that "loudest stadium I've ever played in" atmosphere last just a few games after we beat Notre Dame? Because this year was a pretty dead environment.

But, sure, EVERYTHING is going to immediately and permanently change after we beat UF.

Makes a ton of sense. The new Falcons stadium cost $1.6B.

YOU state above that the stadium will be a "dual medical school and football stadium". What happens when it rains? How do you control for bacteria in an OUTDOOR stadium................ Do the hallways become operating rooms? How old are you..... 10?

Med School is NOT "jammed pack". It is actually the opposite. Shalala bought a hospital. An 18-story tower called UHealth Tower

Of course the stadium was dead. We lost to UVA and went 7-6.......... The Program was fairly dead as well up until a month ago.

Our facilities are definitely top-20 (maybe even top 15), UM is located in a Tropical Paradise, we offer a top 5 education when comparing other football "powers" (Notre Dame, Stanford and USC are the only 3 I can think of that match US News ranking and National Championships), AND we compete in a pro football venue that Ross renovated for over $550M and the NFL chose to host a Super Bowl. Our lease with Ross expires a few years after Beckham completes a $250M stadium for soccer. The Chargers played in the Galaxy stadium for 3-years.

By the way, I attended the Coliseum for USC and Rams games. It is a DUMP. Hard Rock is a jewel of a stadium!