Sports Buzz 11-29

Think the article was bang on...couple posters also bang on...we aren't bringing in enough 'big' guys...getting talented guys then trying to plug them into roles and weights that aren't for them...putting on 30-40 lbs in 1-2 years when your a speed guys is just maddening to me...
 
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Why can't it be both? Why is it impossible that the coaching has sucked AND some players are overrated? Possibly one of the ways in which al sucked was that he couldn't see which 4* guys were legit, and which were really 3*. I agree that there's plenty of talent on this team to have won 10 games, and with good coaching next year, 10+ wins and a coastal championship are entirely doable, but ****. Let's stop pretending like our talent stacks up against Clemson right now, it doesn't . The gap isn't nearly wide enough to explain that loss, buy even with great coaching we were probably going to lose that one. It's the UNC/Cincinnati type teams that are all about coaching. FSU/Clemson are MOSTLY about coaching, but our talent and depth are big factors there too.
 
Forgot about that. We talk about how talented we are, but all the receivers and RBs in the world can't make up for a crap O line. The best DBs out there will give up points if the D line gets no pressure. We ARE talented, just not in some very important places.
 
It's real cute that it's pretty much guaranteed that we'll give Cristobal an interview but Butch has to hope for an "audience" with Flake. Btw, what courtesy do we even owe Luigi? Why even booster his credibility by giving him an interview? Let him get that somewhere else through his glorious association with Saban. Didn't he show an obvious preference for that route?

THIS!
 
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So to summarize:
1) Our defensive scheme sucks
2) Our OL sucks
3) Swasey sucks
4) Butch likely interviewed yesterday
5) Barry Jackson continues to find ways to shoehorn Cristobal's name into the coaching search discussion

exactly on #5 . so pathetic these reporters
 
Let's see, we're desperate for Butch Davis so he can restore the acquisition of elite talent. Then we argue that we've had elite talent all along.

Makes sense to me. Why look at things rationally when you can adjust, adjust and adjust some more? The world and the roster are anything we want to make it.

It's never an interesting season when our defensive front seven personnel is so pedestrian. Florida State had one down defensive year in 2014 when they were breaking in so many new guys. Now they are already beasts again on that side of the ball, allowing only 5.6 yards per pass attempt and with two tight low scoring losses. Let's face it, if Jameis Winston had stayed in school that team was likely national champs again.

Miami has nothing similar. We've got a scout championing that Kamulu and Heurtelou belong in somebody's camp. Great. That will scare the conference and the nation. I haven't seen an exciting young defensive tackle in more than a decade. That was a dependable staple dating to the mediocre teams of the '70s.

The best point he made was that sure we've got some nice skill position guys, but they aren't at all reminiscent of vintage Canes teams, and then the linemen are a vast drop off and simply not big and strong enough. Ohio State has natural wide body brutes surrounding Bosa. Likewise Alabama every year. We've got a string of players who run on and off the field before 3rd down, most resembling Gumby and Pokey. That's actually my mocking term from the stands, to the delight of nearby spectators: "Out with Gumby, in with Pokey."

I'll continue to assert that South Florida kids are naturally softer and more undisciplined than the national norm, and particularly compared to other high school football hotbeds. Kirk Herbstreit made the comparison in the Florida State/Clemson game, of Jalen Ramsey on a key sideline play neutralizing and tossing aside the same Clemson receiver who knocked Artie Burns on his ***. Herbstreit didn't mention Burns by name but he should have. He merely called out the "Miami defensive back."

Consequently we don't have nearly as much margin for error as other top programs. Our overall talent level requirement is huge, and freak talent level requirement is considerable, merely to match other top programs who get by with lesser rosters. Even on that 2001 team with the flood of first round picks we were life and death at Boston College and at Blacksburg.

Now that we've given away the Orange Bowl I'd argue that our need for ultra elite talent is even greater than previously.
 
SUNDAY BUZZ COLUMN

With UM beating Pittsburgh in Friday’s regular-season finale (after losing to Pitt last year), here’s one puzzling, troubling reality the new Hurricanes coach must wrap his arms around:

Why does this program lose so many games to teams with significantly lower-rated recruiting classes (UNC, Cincinnati, several others in recent years) and get annihilated by a Clemson team with a similarly ranked class?

In other words, has this been entirely a case of coaches not extracting the most out of the talent, or have Miami’s recruits been vastly overestimated?

Many fans believed it was largely a coaching issue. But two NFL scouts said it’s a combination of both, and one longtime recruiting analyst said the high grades for Miami’s classes are misleadingly skewed.

It’s an issue the next UM coach must figure out, as he determines where the talent needs to be upgraded, what schemes must be changed and how much of a scheme change can help with the current personnel.

Exploring the issue with evaluators who have watched UM closely this season and previous ones:

### A respected NFC scout, who has seen Miami in person and on tape: “When a team isn’t performing [to expectations], there are two reasons: The kid isn't good enough or the coaches aren't doing a good enough job. This situation is a combination of both.

“Offensively, on the lines and the skill positions, I don’t see nearly the talent of past Miami teams. Their top receivers would be third or fourth receivers on old Miami teams. Rashawn Scott and Herb Waters are third-day guys [in the draft]. Stacy Coley has talent, but his play is mediocre [until recently]. I don’t see a great running back there now.

“But defensively, they should be better than this. There are eight or nine [draft-eligible] kids I've been looking at on their defense; no way they should be losing 58-0. They have two defensive linemen, [Ufomba] Kamalu and [Calvin] Heurtelou who will be at NFL camps. Neither one would have played on old Miami lines, but I’ll take them to at least try to make my team.

“They will never be able to return to those famous defensive lines with Cortez Kennedy and Jerome Brown, but they've got defensive linemen that are more than respectable for the ACC.

“They've got a talented secondary. Artie Burns has the talent to be a first-round pick. Corn Elder is a pretty good player. Deon Bush -- he's going to play in the league, maybe a fourth or fifth-round pick. Tracy Howard is a good little corner, a draftable kid, could be your fifth or sixth corner [on an NFL team].”

In regard to Rivals.com saying Clemson and Miami signed nearly identically rated recruiting classes, the scout said: “Clemson obviously is more talented from top to bottom. But with some [Miami] kids, they have talent and it doesn’t convert to the field.” He said one issue for Miami is undisciplined play, not merely penalties but in other ways.

For example: “Artie Burns has got everything you want skill wise, size wise in a corner and he can run, but he is so careless and undisciplined,” the scout said. “He makes a good play and then two, three plays later makes a dumb play. He gave up a touchdown in the Clemson game because he was dumb in his [technique]. Now is that coaching? I’m sure the coach told him what to do, but he wants to do things his way.”

The other NFC scout said he’s convinced the coaching (especially defensively) is holding this team back and Miami must use a defense more reliant on instincts and less on thinking.

“They’ve got to get back to a 4-3 defense and get back recruiting big kids," that scout said.

### Recruiting analyst Larry Blustein, on how UM is losing to teams with much lower-ranked recruits and being blown out by a team (Clemson) with similarly rated classes: “The canned answer is the coaching, but you’re grasping when you say that. It's a combination of things. The strength of Clemson was their defensive line, and the weakness of Miami is their offensive line, so they were exploited there.”

Blustein said: “USC went after five-star linemen and two and three star running backs. And five-star linemen can make two- or three-star backs look better. That's why USC didn't fade into oblivion after NCAA sanctions while Miami did.

“Miami hasn’t successfully recruited marquee defensive linemen in a long time -- they haven’t recruited guys in the right position to compete with Clemson.” He said the new coach must make that a priority.

“And some of these Miami kids were overrated,” Blustein said. “If these people doing the ratings were professional, they’d be working for a team. Rivals and Scout can make these anointments with nothing riding on it.”

But how can four-star St. Thomas Aquinas grad Joey Bosa go to Ohio State and have 21 sacks in his first two years there, while UM’s five-star Chad Thomas (from Booker T. Washington) had one?

“Bosa is being used in a better way. And look at the guys around him --- they’re better than the guys around Thomas, guys who allow Bosa to freelance,” Blustein said. “As it turned out, it doesn't look like Chad Thomas and Tracy Howard were five star [worthy] kids.

“The other factor is schemes,” Blustein said. “Duke doesn’t have the athletes Miami has, but there's a scheme, the way David Cutcliffe coaches and the way the kids respond.

“A scheme change can really make a difference. You would think [UM coaches] would have said, ‘Let's change it up.’ They have more 4-3 guys than 3-4 guys. But you can’t make Brad Kaaya into a spread quarterback if they want to play [a pure] spread” next year.

Former UM Heisman Trophy winner Gino Torretta makes a valid point: “The kids are thinking way too much [on defense]. Pare the scheme back; run a couple plays over and over. Let the kids play fast.” (Let’s hope the new 2016 coordinator does this.)

### Local recruiting analyst Charles Fishbein: "People look at skill positions and say, ‘We have Duke Johnson, Phillip Dorsett.’ The one thing I don't hear anybody bring up is where are all the defensive linemen? When was the last time they had a lineman drafted in the first three rounds? Calais Campbell [in 2008]. Where do you win games? Up front. Every team in the top 10 is great up front. Miami's problem is never going to be skill positions.”

The other thing the Hurricanes must do, Fishbein said, is improve their strength and conditioning program. “If they keep [longtime strength/conditioning coach] Andreu Swasey, it won't matter who the coach is. When was the last time Miami wore a team out in the second half of a game?”

UM CHATTER

### A close associate of Butch Davis said last week that Davis was optimistic that he would get an audience with UM athletic director Blake James in the week ahead. And when Davis canceled his scheduled appearance in ESPN2's studio on Saturday, that fueled speculation that Davis' interview was this weekend.

The normally accessible Davis declined to respond when I asked him Saturday if he interviewed, and agent Jimmy Sexton declined to discuss it with our Susan Miller Degnan.

By the way, Davis did not tell ESPN management why he requested the day off. And UM isn't saying a word publicly about the search, with advisory committee members having been sworn to secrecy.

The friend said Davis was excited about the potential opportunity to talk to UM. The question is whether what he has to say is compelling enough to lift him in James' eyes.

As we've written, James is considering Davis, despite some internal UM concerns about what happened at North Carolina (James was not implicated by the NCAA). And as we've noted, a friend of James has said that James knows he has Davis if nothing more appealing surfaces.

### Sports Illustrated's Pete Thamel, in a piece analyzing every college coaching opening, said it would be surprising if the UM job doesn't go to one of four people: Davis (his favorite to get the job), Rob Chudzinski, Greg Schiano and Dan Mullen.

As we noted last week, Chud and Schiano have some support on UM's advisory search committee. And Mullen, the Mississippi State coach, interviewed with UM before Al Golden was hired and left a favorable impression on at least one of the few people involved in that search. But would he leave a job paying him more than $4 million annually?

### Mario Cristobal is the most polarizing UM coaching candidate among Trustees (aside from Butch Davis), but associates and an NFL scout with whom he speaks said he has become a better coach working for Nick Saban.

Barry Jagoff writes this same column every year.
He wrote a similar one last year on the eve of the FSU game quoting several
"coaches" and "scouts" about how this team was not very talented in comparison
to FSU....yet, just like this season, the team looked fine against the Noles and
even had a bunch of players drafted.
Barry Jagoff is full of it, and so are his "NFL scout" buddies.

Yep. Same column every year, and every year we have kids on the rooster that every major program wanted but are not living up to expectation. Talent evaluations, motivating players, S&C, scheme, and teaching them proper technique, are functions of the staph.
Coaching, Coaching, Coaching, and lastly, COACHING!!!

****** COACHING HIRES+ SWASEY=LACK OF PLAYER DEVELOPMENT.
 
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Let's see, we're desperate for Butch Davis so he can restore the acquisition of elite talent. Then we argue that we've had elite talent all along.

Makes sense to me. Why look at things rationally when you can adjust, adjust and adjust some more? The world and the roster are anything we want to make it.

It's never an interesting season when our defensive front seven personnel is so pedestrian. Florida State had one down defensive year in 2014 when they were breaking in so many new guys. Now they are already beasts again on that side of the ball, allowing only 5.6 yards per pass attempt and with two tight low scoring losses. Let's face it, if Jameis Winston had stayed in school that team was likely national champs again.

Miami has nothing similar. We've got a scout championing that Kamulu and Heurtelou belong in somebody's camp. Great. That will scare the conference and the nation. I haven't seen an exciting young defensive tackle in more than a decade. That was a dependable staple dating to the mediocre teams of the '70s.

The best point he made was that sure we've got some nice skill position guys, but they aren't at all reminiscent of vintage Canes teams, and then the linemen are a vast drop off and simply not big and strong enough. Ohio State has natural wide body brutes surrounding Bosa. Likewise Alabama every year. We've got a string of players who run on and off the field before 3rd down, most resembling Gumby and Pokey. That's actually my mocking term from the stands, to the delight of nearby spectators: "Out with Gumby, in with Pokey."

I'll continue to assert that South Florida kids are naturally softer and more undisciplined than the national norm, and particularly compared to other high school football hotbeds. Kirk Herbstreit made the comparison in the Florida State/Clemson game, of Jalen Ramsey on a key sideline play neutralizing and tossing aside the same Clemson receiver who knocked Artie Burns on his ***. Herbstreit didn't mention Burns by name but he should have. He merely called out the "Miami defensive back."

Consequently we don't have nearly as much margin for error as other top programs. Our overall talent level requirement is huge, and freak talent level requirement is considerable, merely to match other top programs who get by with lesser rosters. Even on that 2001 team with the flood of first round picks we were life and death at Boston College and at Blacksburg.

Now that we've given away the Orange Bowl I'd argue that our need for ultra elite talent is even greater than previously.


Blaming the players still? You gotta be a golden fan. Sure, we haven't had a Vince wilfork or a warren Sapp.. Take this same players and let bud foster coach them and you would quickly change your tune on the talent here.

Chad Thomas, alquad, Norton,herty, and kamalu is an imposing force with even a remotely good defensive line coach and 4-3 defense. Rick Petri had us top in the nation with a bunch of pedestrians. Imagine what Rick can do with this group.

This post is long winded and not well thought. Not to mention disrespectful.
 
No mention of Herman...I don't buy it...

Herman isn't coming here.
Why not?

For starters,
Do you really think this school is prepared to pay his buyout in order to get him?

Yes, if he's the right guy.

I would hope so.
But it would be the first time the school has ever made a bold hiring
move.
And I mean bold as in opening up the wallet.
In the meantime, I will side with history.
I will believe it when I see it.
 
I always love when these scouts say " so & so would be 4th string on the old Miami Teams.". How do we know what the true ceiling is for any of these players with the horrible coaching they've received? Its on thing if we were winning 10 games and a few recruits didn't pan out. But when literally none of your players pan out....it's clearly your coaches.
 
At least for a change there is an article calling out that piece of **** Swasey. How that man has survived this long is incomprehensible.
 
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At least for a change there is an article calling out that piece of **** Swasey. How that man has survived this long is incomprehensible.

Just because ex-players come back to work out with him. They come back to Miami to visit family and might as well get a workout in at the U - not because he's some sort of guru. ****, it's not like he's sculpting their bodies in the summer, they get that from top-notch NFL S&C coaches. That's the TRUTH.
 
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[MENTION=89]canes[/MENTION]Insider keeps arguing with me for Mario on Twitter. Who runs that account?
Are you sure you got the right Twitter handle? [MENTION=89]canes[/MENTION]Insider is a Carolina Hurricanes fan.

Oops [MENTION=1358]CANE[/MENTION]Insider
Holy **** that guy is annoying. He is legitimately trying to argue that Mario is a better candidate than Butch.

Seriously. He kept bringing up Mario's conference championship while ignoring that he had two losing seasons after that "magical" 8 win season.
 
I don't disagree with anything said. I think the article was spot on and very in line with what I have been saying all season.

Chad Thomas was overrated coming out of HS and was and is not near the football player Joey Bosa is. Chad Thomas should have been a high 3 star prospect and would have been if he played in another area. That being said he is raw and with the right coaching could develop into a NFL DE. It was just wrong to rate him that high coming out of HS. Look at all the highly rated players coming out of BTW and look at how many lived up to the hype.

The best coach Miami can hire is one that can coach is catch these SFLA kids up to what it takes to succeed at the college level.
 
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