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Ethnicsands said:
You can coach and train speed. Others here have pointed it out. The Russians in fact were really good at it. They used overspeed training (basically, tie a guy to the back of a car and start driving a bit faster than he can run). It actually got the body to learn to exceed what it essentially believed to be its neurological and muscular limits. You cannot change the ratio of quick twitch muscles in a person, but you can improve physical performance in many ways, speed, strength, reaction time, explosiveness, endurance, agility, etc.
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You can to an extent. There are doctors/specialists who have taken large samples of muscle biopsies during workouts and have found slow twitch fibers that have changed to a fast twitch type. What you can't change is muscle and tendon insertion points, as well their length ratios (including bone structure). I think that the good evaluators from back in the day knew this, but now this should be common knowledge with anyone doing evaluations. High achilles tendons are usually a good indicator for elite speed and jumping ability.




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4. Fiber Type Plasticity (aka Yes, You Can Change Your Fiber Type Composition Through Training)

For many years, there was a lot of debate over whether our fiber type composition was determined mostly by our genetics or our training. Most people have a fairly even split of slow-twitch and fast-twitch fibers and it was thought that this ratio was a fixed trait like your height. However, Dr. Galpin’s team examined a pair of monozygotic identical twins who had vastly different training habits. One who had been training for marathons for 35 years while the other was a sedentary truck driver. They found that the endurance trained twin had 90% slow-twitch fibers and 10% fast-twitch fibers while the untrained twin had 50% slow-twitch, 30% fast-twitch, and 20% ultra-fast twitch. Dr. Galpin cited other studies on identical twins that all found that training had a dramatic effect on fiber type composition despite genetics. To answer the titular question of “genetics versus training”, Dr. Galpin asserted that training was far more important than genetics.
 
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so I'm looking at LB prospects and none of our top targets seem to have that speed that everybody likes. The only LB prospects that seem to have the quickness and speed that everybody is looking for is Derek wingo, who is not coming, and OOS LB prospects. That being said, who are some other LB prospects in SFLA that does fit what an ideal Miami LB should be? The biggest thing I look at LB to judge their speed/quickness is the shuttle, most Lb at the combine were running 4.6 40s, but there shuttle times were as good as any DB.
 
twes.305 said:
so I'm looking at LB prospects and none of our top targets seem to have that speed that everybody likes. The only LB prospects that seem to have the quickness and speed that everybody is looking for is Derek wingo, who is not coming, and OOS LB prospects. That being said, who are some other LB prospects in SFLA that does fit what an ideal Miami LB should be? The biggest thing I look at LB to judge their speed/quickness is the shuttle, most Lb at the combine were running 4.6 40s, but there shuttle times were as good as any DB.
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Make sure you include the possible strikers.

The Camden, NJ kid flies on tape too. Hanna and Mohan look like they can run... Will find out more after some of these guys to events and get tested this spring.
 
skeeter said:
Make sure you include the possible strikers.

The Camden, NJ kid flies on tape too. Hanna and Mohan look like they can run... Will find out more after some of these guys to events and get tested this spring.
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Those are the guys I was talking about, Mohan and the NJ kid. There is also another NJ LB that I like, but I forgot his name. U think Hanna projects as a striker/LB? I don't know if you heard of jordan morant, but I think hes a perfect fit for striker.
 
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twes.305 said:
Those are the guys I was talking about, Mohan and the NJ kid. There is also another NJ LB that I like, but I forgot his name. U think Hanna projects as a striker/LB? I don't know if you heard of jordan morant, but I think hes a perfect fit for striker.
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Hanna destroys people like a LB...I think he is a safety or striker. But he may be the rare kid that can play our striker at 200 if he gets up there, AND the even rarer kid that can play OLB at that weight. Love that kid's tape. Brings that hat and then turns and run like a corner

I honestly think Hanna may just have stepped in front of K.Washington in line for that striker spot. Obv I don't know UM's board for sure. But on tape, I don't think they are close. At either safety or striker. K.Wash does look a little bigger while Hanna just does everything better, especially hips/agility. Hanna's taking on lead blockers, bouncing off and bodying the RB like he's 225.
 
twes.305 said:
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great observation, what did nigel bethel run in the 100 meter? That being said, Tee was saying that Bandy ran some time in the 4.3 range in the 40 on greentree. Everybody knows that you add at least .1 to any greentree 40 time. which would make Bandy's 40 time in the 4.4s, which is believable because Bandy ran a 4.51 in his senior year of highschool and he also looks fast on the field. So I wouldn't be surprise if Bandy right now ran like a 10.7-10.8 in the 100m.
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Thank you
 
CFLCane said:
If you want to deal in statistical anomalies and Casio stopwatches go ahead. I prefer math and science.
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You gotta take your head out of your tail & actually comprehend. I’m not responsible for your understanding.

“No where near” based on a high school 100M time...dude please stfu.
 
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Tetragrammaton Cane said:
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Figured of speech as my coach Jim bibbs would say lol
 
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Ethnicsands said:
Curious for others’s views on this: In all the years of UM football, iirc the only legit 4.4 range Lbs we have had were willie williams, darrin smith and maybe dj williams. T gooden and t russell were just off that. Armstead was close before injury, but probably a legit 4.5 guy.
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Wasn't Darrell McClover supposed to have been fast? He was always a backup LB but I think still had a time in the League. Some real depth on that 2001 team.
 
Ethnicsands said:
It’s important to note in the speed discussion, that elite speed is a separate issue from good speed for starting unit purposes. 4.5 40s is fine across your DBs. Fine across your WRs. BUT, having a guy on either side of the ball who can go sub 4.4 can really change things. It pressures coverage, it changes special teams, it requires the other team to account for guys who they can’t match up with. It isn’t required but it’s a valuable tool to have. And it’s not purely a 40 or 100 m issue. It’s quickness also. Reggie Bush was quicker then fast. Barry Sanders too.
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Funny...an old friend who played for UM in the sixties told me he tackled O.J. Simpson about six times. That was in the game in LA that made the front cover of S.I. in 1968. He said O.J. was more nifty than he was fast.

I mentioned that to Bill Buchalter, then the sports editor for the Orlando Sentinel. Buchalter found that hard to believe, since he knew, like I did, that O.J. ran on an outstanding 4x100 relay team for USC. (talking yards, not meters). I recall O.J. having a reputed 9.495 on the 100 yards, which was pretty **** fast. Probably like running mid 10's for 100 meters now. That might have been the NCAA championship team. I don't remember for sure after all these years.

Still my friend was very impressed, obviously, by Simpson's jukiness and shiftiness more than his speed. Simpson DID chase my friend down, however, after an interception when he had a straight shot for the end zone.

EDIT: I was wrong. Simpson ran on USC's 4x110 yard relay team that set a world record:

http://articles.latimes.com/1987-06-17/sports/sp-4512_1_years-ago-today
 
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Tetragrammaton Cane said:
Depends on what you mean by accurate, or what exactly accurate for timing purposes and football actually means. We would first have to assume that Gus, et.al are actually accurate timers. That they didn’t get Lingard early or Homer late; that Homer was actually the fastest. (Not saying it happened that way but it’s not outside the realm of possibility)

1. How does adding .1 make it more accurate? Accurate to what?
  • accurate to the combine?
  • accurate to laser?
  • accurate to FAT timing?
It matters, if you want accuracy; something football seems loath to attain. (Ex. Christian Coleman “lost” a record performance because the race did not have blocks that could recognize reaction times)
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It's most likely hand time, so I would say the times are inaccurate. I just take multiple Miami players who have made it the combine and compare their greentree time to their combine time, their combine is always around .1 sec slower. lingard ran a 10.7 his senior of high school in the 100m that does not equate towards a 4.27.
 
twes.305 said:
so I'm looking at LB prospects and none of our top targets seem to have that speed that everybody likes. The only LB prospects that seem to have the quickness and speed that everybody is looking for is Derek wingo, who is not coming, and OOS LB prospects. That being said, who are some other LB prospects in SFLA that does fit what an ideal Miami LB should be? The biggest thing I look at LB to judge their speed/quickness is the shuttle, most Lb at the combine were running 4.6 40s, but there shuttle times were as good as any DB.
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For LB’s speed don’t matter as much as reading & diagnosing the play...if he can do that
DTP said:
Exactly. You cannot teach someone speed. When you hear about players improving 40 times it's because they've been coached to properly run a 40 yard dash as efficiently as possible. It really has no effect on their football speed. If you could actually make slow guys faster, every single football coach from pop Warner all the way to the NFL would be doing it. You're either fast or you're not. Coaching someone to properly run track is not making them a faster football player.
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Truth..most of it is god gifted
 
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