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The real problem is neither of the so called vets have stepped up and took the job. That should tell people all you need to know.
 
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252cane said:
The real problem is neither of the so called vets have stepped up and took the job. That should tell people all you need to know.
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Brilliant analysis. It tells people all they need to know, so right now, at this moment what the scrimmage told people is that the two veterans performed at a much higher level than the freshmens. Is that what you meant?
 
OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
252cane said:
The real problem is neither of the so called vets have stepped up and took the job. That should tell people all you need to know.
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Brilliant analysis. It tells people all they need to know, so right now, at this moment what the scrimmage told people is that the two veterans performed at a much higher level than the freshmens. Is that what you meant?
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There are QB competitions all across the country that are still undecided and might not be figured out till game week. At Miami it is a problem that tells us all we need to know.
 
Everyone quoting D$ and Pete here, but have not seen Pete weigh in himself on this particular thread?
 
DMoney said:
I want Perry to win the job. Richt, I believe, wants Perry to win the job. Simply put: the closer Perry gets to his ceiling, the better chance we have of winning big.

But wishing doesn't change what happens on the field. Richt can't just hand him the job if he's not ready. The main thing that is going to accelerate the process is reps. When Kaaya won the job as a true freshman, it was a two-man battle. This has been a four-man race.

So I hope this competition gets cut to two players this week. Richt already alluded to this in his post-scrimmage presser. We've seen enough from Rosier and Shirreffs for Richt to have a preference. They are what they are and any improvements will be incremental. Pick one (without an announcement) and give the first team reps to that guy and Perry.
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No disrespect, but you are insane. We are not winning big this year with a true freshman QB that stepped on Campus 2 months ago. His ceiling is high, but this kid will hold this team back this year. Perry is good for 3 losses all by himself.

10 years...TEN YEARS we've been waiting to have THIS kind of team --a team with a LEGIT shot at being in the playoffs---and you want to put a true freshman QB under center??? No fricken way. We need Rosier and Evan under center so we can ride this defense, the running game, and our skilled guys. We can "get there" with one of those two. We might as well play for next year, if you put Perry under center, because that's essentially what we'll be doing---playing for next year and WASTING a championship caliber defense. And I will be ****ED if we do that because we have waited 10 stinking years for a defense and a team like this. Go with the veteran QB so we can bring this thing home.

Dmoney, you do great things for this site, but were singing the praises of Kirby freeman 10 years ago --calling him the next great thing, from the practice reports, so I am not buying your QB evals right now. He might get there, but I KNOW that kid is not there right now...it will go against decades of what we have seen in CFB. It's insane to think otherwise, especially since he wasn't an EE
 
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fincane said:
DMoney said:
I want Perry to win the job. Richt, I believe, wants Perry to win the job. Simply put: the closer Perry gets to his ceiling, the better chance we have of winning big.

But wishing doesn't change what happens on the field. Richt can't just hand him the job if he's not ready. The main thing that is going to accelerate the process is reps. When Kaaya won the job as a true freshman, it was a two-man battle. This has been a four-man race.

So I hope this competition gets cut to two players this week. Richt already alluded to this in his post-scrimmage presser. We've seen enough from Rosier and Shirreffs for Richt to have a preference. They are what they are and any improvements will be incremental. Pick one (without an announcement) and give the first team reps to that guy and Perry.
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All of this is a bad idea if Richt is gonna hand Perry a place in the battle that he hasn't earned. It would be him ignoring his years of coaching and acting like you and others who are operating under the assumption that all Perry needs is reps and time. As if it is a foregone conclusion that Perry will be good. Perry wouldn't be the first highly touted QB to just not be any good in college. And that is with all the caveats of, "he's only a freshman", "he's only been practicing for two weeks", blah, blah. I get it.

He shouldn't be given a free pass to #2 . If he's been one of the top 2? Fine. Just a horrible message to the team otherwise.

Maybe Kaaya was just more ready to play than Perry.
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EXACTLY!! Jesus christ, what's wrong with these folks??
 
It would be a shame to waste the first two games and the opportunity for Perry to run the offense for 8 quarters. If the plan is to make him the QB eventually, don't pussyfoot around and let Rosier or Shirreffs steal snaps that will stunt Perry's growth.
 
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OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
252cane said:
The real problem is neither of the so called vets have stepped up and took the job. That should tell people all you need to know.
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Brilliant analysis. It tells people all they need to know, so right now, at this moment what the scrimmage told people is that the two veterans performed at a much higher level than the freshmens. Is that what you meant?
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Pathetic stabs at logic from the "Perry is my guy no matter what" team. Didn't the University of Washington win a NC with 2 QBs who couldn't separate themselves from each other--Hobert and Brunell?

According to these guys, if two QBs are pretty even that means they both suck. The Winston/Coker competition came down to the final couple days of camp. Both of those guys went on to win NCs.

In 1983, Kosar beat out Testaverde late in camp. Both of them went on to be terrible.
 
The Svengali said:
Dmoney, you do great things for this site, but were singing the praises of Kirby freeman 10 years ago --calling him the next great thing, from the practice reports, so I am not buying your QB evals right now. He might get there, but I KNOW that kid is not there right now...it will go against decades of what we have seen in CFB. It's insane to think otherwise, especially since he wasn't an EE
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Some people have bad memories. I never called Kirby "the next great thing" or anything close. I said he was beating out Kyle Wright in practice. That turned out to be correct. And then the real games started. Incidentally, Rosier's skillset reminds me the most of Kirby. Mobile but not dynamic, inaccurate, can hit big plays deep. To his credit, though, Rosier didn't get the shakes when he actually played.

As the years have gone on, I've learned to put less stock in non-contact practice for QBs. Kaaya and Morris had everyone in the program excited but turned out to be merely above-average in real games. The main thing practices can show you is skillset. And Perry's skillset is in a different universe.

I want Perry to get as many reps as possible against the weak part of our schedule because I expect him to start at some point this season. As someone on the team said, "If we want to be the team we need to be, Perry has to become the guy."
 
DMoney said:
Malik has a better arm and is a better fit in the type of offense we're becoming.
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Questions for you:

If Rosier and Perry are the best fits for what CMR wants this offense to be, why not just pick them to be the top 2? Especially if you are of the belief that Perry becomes the starter at some point THIS season?

Seems like that would be the best thing for offensive consistency?

Or do you believe Rosier's negatives are just too much for him to overcome, at this point?
 
DMoney said:
The Svengali said:
Dmoney, you do great things for this site, but were singing the praises of Kirby freeman 10 years ago --calling him the next great thing, from the practice reports, so I am not buying your QB evals right now. He might get there, but I KNOW that kid is not there right now...it will go against decades of what we have seen in CFB. It's insane to think otherwise, especially since he wasn't an EE
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Some people have bad memories. I never called Kirby "the next great thing" or anything close. I said he was beating out Kyle Wright in practice. That turned out to be correct. And then the real games started. Incidentally, Rosier's skillset reminds me the most of Kirby. Mobile but not dynamic, inaccurate, can hit big plays deep. To his credit, though, Rosier didn't get the shakes when he actually played.

As the years have gone on, I've learned to put less stock in non-contact practice for QBs. Kaaya and Morris had everyone in the program excited but turned out to be merely above-average in real games. The main thing practices can show you is skillset. And Perry's skillset is in a different universe.

I want Perry to get as many reps as possible against the weak part of our schedule because I expect him to start at some point this season. As someone on the team said, "If we want to be the team we need to be, Perry has to become the guy."
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And yet your entire reasoning for wanting Perry in the final two right now, is based on non-contact practice. It should give you pause, that the only time Perry came close to the real thing in college, he wasn't even average, he was bad.
 
I'd just like [MENTION=2]DMoney[/MENTION] to elaborate as much as he can on "the type of offense we're becoming." What type is that, pray tell?
 
rokulika said:
It would be a shame to waste the first two games and the opportunity for Perry to run the offense for 8 quarters. If the plan is to make him the QB eventually, don't pussyfoot around and let Rosier or Shirreffs steal snaps that will stunt Perry's growth.
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Most of what you say is dumb as **** but you actually make a solid point here(rare). If the plan is for Perry to take over at some point this season, get him started early and face two underwhelming opponents. Not start Rosier or Shireffs and then mid way into the season, switch it up if they're underperforming. It deserves to be a fair competition but if it's even close, start the freshman. If he's in the final two, condense it down to two and get them as many snaps in practice and scrimmages as possible.
 
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DMoney said:
The Svengali said:
Dmoney, you do great things for this site, but were singing the praises of Kirby freeman 10 years ago --calling him the next great thing, from the practice reports, so I am not buying your QB evals right now. He might get there, but I KNOW that kid is not there right now...it will go against decades of what we have seen in CFB. It's insane to think otherwise, especially since he wasn't an EE
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Some people have bad memories. I never called Kirby "the next great thing" or anything close. I said he was beating out Kyle Wright in practice. That turned out to be correct. And then the real games started. Incidentally, Rosier's skillset reminds me the most of Kirby. Mobile but not dynamic, inaccurate, can hit big plays deep. To his credit, though, Rosier didn't get the shakes when he actually played.
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I can vouch for this, I have an old PM from D$ on another site saying both QBs looked bad
 
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rokulika said:
It would be a shame to waste the first two games and the opportunity for Perry to run the offense for 8 quarters. If the plan is to make him the QB eventually, don't ****foot around and let Rosier or Shirreffs steal snaps that will stunt Perry's growth.
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IF Perry isn't ready force feeding him snap stunts the growth of the team. Particularly when you have two guys who have little to no experience themselves. Far too many people are operating like Perry is destined to be good. Like all he needs are the snaps. There are plenty of 4-star QBs who never get on the field because the hype isn't real.

You don't chase the results. If he proves himself ready give him snaps. His training ground shouldn't be live action against opponents that may take away from a player who needs the snaps as well because they are the better option.
 
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fincane said:
rokulika said:
It would be a shame to waste the first two games and the opportunity for Perry to run the offense for 8 quarters. If the plan is to make him the QB eventually, don't ****foot around and let Rosier or Shirreffs steal snaps that will stunt Perry's growth.
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IF Perry isn't ready force feeding him snap stunts the growth of the team. Particularly when you have two guys who have little to no experience themselves. Far too many people are operating like Perry is destined to be good. Like all he needs are the snaps. There are plenty of 4-star QBs who never get on the field because the hype isn't real.

You don't chase the results. If he proves himself ready give him snaps. His training ground shouldn't be live action against opponents that may take away from a player who needs the snaps as well because they are the better option.
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Yes, exactly.
 
There are legit fans hoping Evan and Rosier fail so they can push their next favorite future QB spiel again.
Just put the best QB right now in and win as many as we can now.

Do people ever get tired of setting up for next year?

Folks will be crying if Evan or Malik starts and we win 10 regular season games.
 
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Do you guys in the "Perry should start as a True Freshman" camp want to win big this year or not? Are you more concerned about 2018 or 2017?

I'm sorry, but I want to win now, and this team is built to do it right now, in 2017. I have waited for over a decade to have a team like this --a team that is good enough to "get there", and we cannot waist this team--cannot waste a championship caliber defense--on a true freshman, especially when history shows true freshman QB's struggle big time.

Like others have said, Alabama rode Sims to a title, even though there were other more "talented" QB's on their roster. The goal is to win big NOW, but that's won't happen with Perry.

Who knows---Coach Kool or Manny might not even be here next year. We need to go for it all right now and push all of our chips in the middle of the table THIS YEAR, while we have the players to do it, and chemistry and continuity within the coaching staff. Get Rosier or Evan under center and let's go take what's ours (#6).
 
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