Something we may see this week

[GCane305]

B.S.

It's well known Richt want Perry to Start. A big reason why? He can sell Perry to the fanbase. Fans love freshmen that can come in and compete for the starting job. You can't sell Rosier or Sheriffs to the fans, since they've been on campus previously. At the same time, if Perry isn't ready, find the guy you want between the upperclassmen for the quarterback position. I think it'll be a very tight race and whoever Richt name, I'll be ready to ride with him.

Come in the paint strong. Get that weak **** outta here.

 

[datcaneguy]

Sherriff and Rosier to be honest if Golden could recruit the position they wouldn't even be here.

 

[ncncanes]

All about turnovers - not about who "spins it" better --- especially with our D

 

[Southcane]

It's funny Perry has bad stats in the scrimmage and then all of a sudden he is being greatly outperformed by the other 2 quarterbacks. Forget about the countless practices, lets take him out of the race because of 1 scrimmage, not to mention his first college scrimmage. Richt specifically said most of the touchdowns from the upperclassman where during situationals like red-zone and with the 1st team offense.

It is clear that from people who have been to practice, like DMoney and Peter, that Perry is the most talented, he just got here a couple months ago so in the mental aspect and plays, he is behind.

I agree with DMoney that this will become a 2 man race this week and Perry will be one of them. That does not mean he is going to win the job, he will be behind whoever is the upperclassman, but since what he needs to improve can be taught for the most part (plays and reads) he needs meaningful reps.

LOL. You guys are insane. You're so thirsty for a great QB that you want to falsely engineer the QB competition and run the risk of losing the team by handing the upper hand to the guy who performed the worst.

Now, in an attempt to justify this tomfoolery you're jumping on some bogus new agenda that Perry is winning in shorts so that's more important than winning against live bullets in a game-like situation. Lulz.

Keep it flowing, fellas. This is rich.

This is basically where I am. And, D$ and I went into a substantial back and forth yesterday on the subject. My best suggestion yesterday on this board was to cut the QB competition to 3 guys for the next week and avoid rushing into a decision. Cutting it to two is more likely what we need, but doing so on anything other than performance (assuming Perry is currently #3 ) is unnecessary risk for all parties - including Perry.

Here's what we mostly know:
- Perry is most likely the more gifted passer among the entire group.
- It's not surprising Perry isn't ready 10 days into his first Fall camp without an EE.
- The other guys seem to be the more likely to be effective right now.
- Perry has the upside to make leaps over the next few weeks.
- Everyone wants the most talented guy to be the most likely to be effective, but it may not be reality right now.
- I think it's a false opinion to think the other two have somehow hit their ceiling as to what they can produce for our team.
- Given the BCC game is ostensibly scrimmage and the tricky situation with Malik and Evan still apparently slightly ahead of Perry, why the rush to cut down to two this week?
- Why can't Perry be worked in for packages and prove his worth through production as the season unfolds?

Program over players. Always.

I like what you're saying Lu.
I have a feeling that where people stand on this is somehow age related. The younger posters are the ones who hope Perry would start and would take the risk going forward. I could be wrong of course.

 

[LuCane]

- Given the BCC game is ostensibly scrimmage and the tricky situation with Malik and Evan still apparently slightly ahead of Perry, why the rush to cut down to two this week?

My fear was always that Perry would take over later in the season and miss out on valuable reps against the crappy defenses in the early part of our schedule. That's where the urgency comes in.

Cutting it down to three is an improvement over four, but I don't see what Richt is going to learn about Rosier and Shirreffs that he doesn't already know. I'd be shocked if he doesn't already have a preference between those two.

You have to balance that fear with what I think are more important priorities like a merit-based system and ensuring Perry is, in fact, not only the more talented passer, but also the most effective for our team throughout the entire season. It is not necessarily a given that Perry, after substantial reps, is our best option (most likely to be effective in meaningful games). Let it unfold.

There's plenty to learn about Rosier and Shirreffs that should remain relevant to Richt. If Rosier's biggest issues revolve around forcing the ball, can't that be coached? Haven't you mentioned his mechanics have at least slightly improved? You've also mentioned Evan has flashed improving ability to drive the ball. This is already different than what we heard from Spring. Even the older guys aren't finished products as it relates to who can be most effective for our team this season. I think it's really dangerous to artificially control this QB race.

 

[CanesNation26]

I really don't understand how this generated so much controversy. Younger guys, especially at the QB position, usually have way higher marginal gains/per rep. IF, and this is a big IF, Richt already knows who is better between Rosier and Evans, then of course he should cut down the QB competition. With or without Perry that would be the logical thing to do anyway. Richt has been here for a spring, summer, season, and another spring and summer- and so has Rosier and Evans. No need to draw some arbitrary line in the sand and say ONLY after all 23 practices of August are complete can we decide the winner between Rosier and Evans. If I decided on the 22 practice it would be premature! If Richt knows that answer now and believes that Perry can, with additional reps, catch up to whoever is better of Rosier/Evans, then of course you give him more reps...

/Obviously, if Evans and Rosier are neck and neck and are consistently outperforming Perry, then it makes no sense to drop either of them just to accommodate 'potential.'

 

[DMoney]

There's plenty to learn about Rosier and Shirreffs that should remain relevant to Richt.

He's had two years to evaluate those two versus each other. He said it himself in the presser that they aren't going to get much better in a week (which is his targeted decision date). If Richt really hasn't made up his mind on Shirreffs v. Rosier, then keep the battle going. But I consider that unlikely at this point.

Those extra snaps will not only help develop Perry, but they will also give the staff a better evaluation.

 

[Salt]

That doesn't mean Perry is the better choice right now. There's so much more that goes into playing QB than just having the better arm or better legs.

Rosier and Sherrifs were far better in the scrimmage and actually give us a chance vs FSU. Starting Perry vs FSU would be the equivalent of handing a forfeit note to the ref.

The FSU game is 5 weeks away. As Richt said in his presser, the young QBs can improve exponentially while the veteran QBs will only make incremental improvements. Still a lot of football left to be played.

By the way, Rosier has thrown more picks this camp than Shirreffs and Perry combined. I'm not sure which one of those three is most ready to play FSU because they have one game of combined starting experience between them.

If that's the case I'd make Shirreffs and Perry my top two, Rosier has had plenty of time to get better and he hasn't. Gotta find a #1 soon.

as soon as I read that Rosier never bothered to watch film before Richt got here was enough to know he is not the qb you want managing your offense. I doubt the prior coaches were locking the film room so Rosier couldn't get in.

 

[LuCane]

There's plenty to learn about Rosier and Shirreffs that should remain relevant to Richt.

He's had two years to evaluate those two versus each other. He said it himself in the presser that they aren't going to get much better in a week (which is his targeted decision date). If Richt really hasn't made up his mind on Shirreffs v. Rosier, then keep the battle going. But I consider that unlikely at this point.

Those extra snaps will not only help develop Perry, but they will also give the staff a better evaluation.

No idea why he needs to necessarily make a decision by a specific date. In this case, I rather be right than on time.

Maybe the older guys are, in fact, close enough to each other and both currently above Perry? If so, just extend the battle another week. I'd still make it live, but you know where I stand on live bullets and QBs. It's been my issue for years.

 

[The Sphinx]

Apparently some of you guys know very little about football. Unlike LBs or any other position for that matter the QB who wins the job normally gets all of the reps thus keeping the better talent on the bench for mop up duty. Any other position you can stick the less experienced more talented guy out there and increase his reps as he matures the starting job. When speaking about the QB position some coaches tend to lean on going through the growing pains with a less seasoned more talented QB hoping that it will payoff in the long run with game experience.

Rosier and Sherriff's are what they are and wouldn't be starting for another top 20 program. Perry would be deemed the future in most of them. The two upperclassmen have both been on campus for years so they should be light years ahead of Perry and they're not. Perry gives us the best change of regaining our footing on the top of college football, period. Can you say the same thing for the other two? I can't!
It's as simple as that.

THIS.

In all reality, the fact that Perry is even being considered for a starting QB role tells you all that you need to know about Sherriffs and Rosier. It should not even be close at all. Especially not for a super green true Freshman QB just 2 months removed from high school. At this rate, can you imagine where Perry could be developmentally by November? By next Spring?

Whether you like it or not, Perry is the future. If he's not a success, then Richt has rolled the dice and failed, and the program will be set back a few years awaiting the next QB star to unfold.

Rosier's upside is considerably limited. He's a cannon-armed QB who can tuck it and run but has a high turnover penchant. He may know the playbook inside and out, but at the end of the day, he is who he is. Evan's just an all-around average QB with no spectacular traits. He won't lose you games, but he won't win you the big game, either.

As D Money said, Perry has some special skills. Something that none of the others mentioned have. You don't hand him a **** thing (FinCane), but for God's sake and the program's sake, YOU BETTER GIVE HIM ALL OF THE OPPORTUNITIES TO DEVELOP AND REACH THAT STAR POTENTIAL. Now if he fails and does not take full advantage of the opportunities given to him, oh well and so be it. But you MUST give this guy reps, and i'm not talking about scout team reps.

If you want a crack at the Natty in 2018 / 2019, then you better pray that Perry develops exponentially over the course of this season. Because if he doesn't and we have to rely on the other two QBs, then vying for the Coastal year in and year out will be our ceiling for the next few years.

My counter argument to this entire statement is Jameis Winston.

Everyone knew he was more talented than EJ Manuel. He redshirted. No game experience, came back and won the championship the next year.

Now no, Rosier and Sherrifs aren't EJ Manuel. But if Perry isn't ready this year than he just isn't ready.

Totally valid point, and i knew someone would counter with the Jameis redshirt. I hear all of that.

Perry will only be here 3 years if he pans out as expected, so why redshirt him? Rosier and Sherriffs are not that much better. They only have the advantage of maturity and knowing the playbook.

I say pick your starter soon for gameplanning and preparation purposes. But let the #2 competition carry on through the first two games of the season. It's only Bethune and Arkansas State. Richt knows QBs -- he knows how Perry should be tracking developmentally week to week. That's why you hear the quiet confidence in his voice about Perry's upside.

I'd go with Sherriffs as my starter and then let Perry battle Rosier for #2 . I think you're going to see Perry start to really take off over the next couple of months as the game slows down for him.

 

[CANE]

Wouldn't make a decision until top 3 QBs scrimmaged against the 1st team defense.

 

[1hurricane]

Reps are given they are earned that's what makes Miami. If Perry wants more reps then he needs to learn the playbook and get his *** in the weight room and earn it.

 

[al_canes]

Fincane, I don't know who you are, but I know you are up on your CFB/Canes history and have been watching the game going back to the 80s at least. What you said about "Ignoring college football history and how true freshmen perform" is spot the freak on. These people don't know what they are really asking for, when they keep wanting to GIVE a true freshmen the QB job over upperclassmen who have outperformed him....regardless of reason. Not to mention they don't seem to want to give the young man Perry the type of chance to be great like most other great CFB QBs, who didn't see an official start until they were redshirt Freshmen or older. The only way Perry should play this year is if Rosier and Sheriffs are hurt. Richt and his staff are paid a lot of money to manage guys like Rosier and Sheriffs on the field and maximize their potential.

 

[fincane]

That doesn't mean Perry is the better choice right now. There's so much more that goes into playing QB than just having the better arm or better legs.

Rosier and Sherrifs were far better in the scrimmage and actually give us a chance vs FSU. Starting Perry vs FSU would be the equivalent of handing a forfeit note to the ref.

The FSU game is 5 weeks away. As Richt said in his presser, the young QBs can improve exponentially while the veteran QBs will only make incremental improvements. Still a lot of football left to be played.

By the way, Rosier has thrown more picks this camp than Shirreffs and Perry combined. I'm not sure which one of those three is most ready to play FSU because they have one game of combined starting experience between them.

If that's the case I'd make Shirreffs and Perry my top two, Rosier has had plenty of time to get better and he hasn't. Gotta find a #1 soon.

as soon as I read that Rosier never bothered to watch film before Richt got here was enough to know he is not the qb you want managing your offense. I doubt the prior coaches were locking the film room so Rosier couldn't get in.

He didn't say that. Rosier said he didn't watch film before he had to start against Duke in 2015. It is still a horrendous quote but you are changing the quote.

 

[Southcane]

Fincane, I don't know who you are, but I know you are up on your CFB/Canes history and have been watching the game going back to the 80s at least. What you said about "Ignoring college football history and how true freshmen perform" is spot the freak on. These people don't know what they are really asking for, when they keep wanting to GIVE a true freshmen the QB job over upperclassmen who have outperformed him....regardless of reason. Not to mention they don't seem to want to give the young man Perry the type of chance to be great like most other great CFB QBs, who didn't see an official start until they were redshirt Freshmen or older. The only way Perry should play this year is if Rosier and Sheriffs are hurt. Richt and his staff are paid a lot of money to manage guys like Rosier and Sheriffs on the field and maximize their potential.

Case in point: Alabama QB.

 

[JgDaCane]

Give me the guy who is going to win the most games in 2017. That's who I want to win. How in the **** can somebody say "I want Perry to win" if he isn't going to win us the most games? I think some of you have become bigger N'Kosi Perry fans then Miami Hurricane fans. Sad.

 

[Canezum5]

This is more about D$ not wanting to be wrong.

Not the first time. Won't be the last.

Him and his trail of followers who have ordained Perry as the 2nd coming based off of no substantial evidence.

 

[gatorsSUCK!]

Last Oct, Manny said they were not coaching for December or January, as the entire staff was coaching to build a National Champion...if this still holds true this year, then Perry is the guy

 

[fincane]

Wouldn't make a decision until top 3 QBs scrimmaged against the 1st team defense.

They did that on Saturday

 

[clg003]

I just want the best man for the job. If Perry gets it and "fails", yall gon turn on him just like yall did with Kaaya....

This. If Perry is actually in the Top 2 then great.

Dmoney is literally calling for Perry to be handed a top-2 spot, something that goes completely against the way Richt runs his program.

Don't hand Perry anything. Make him earn it. If he's as good as Dmoney is saying, that shouldn't be an issue

Lots of assumptions going on here. These are controlled scimages where many serries are completely situational. Unfortunatley stats dont mean as much here as they do in normal game setting. We have no idea if we are comparing apples to apples here. There is also a major question surrounding progress. If Perry has made enough progress in the short time he has been here then Richt is responsible for giving him more reps to see where that progress goes. Perry has not ever even seen film of himself competing against a college level defense. All this talk about who should and should not get first team reps in nonsense. These coaches have seen everything and they are the best judges in how to move forward. If Perry gets more reps it aint because Richt wants him to start, its because he has shown potential that needs further analsyis. If Evans does then its the same. The truth is there are two spots up here for grabs. QB1 and QB2 both of which are super important when there is not a clear starting QB. The fact that Rosier has not been named the starter should say everything. Richt does not feel he is good enough to consistently execute the game plan.