Some trends for perspective

[Ayeplus]

I realize running a college football fan message board makes you trade in optimism. I respect that. But if you think that Miami can compete at the level we once did, in the current climate of college football, you're deluding yourself.

People used to say we couldn't recruit elite classes anymore because "college football has changed" and "facilities." Now that we're signing elite players and the Army game looks like a Miami commercial, the story changes. Now we can't win because of student interns and deer antler powder.

Those $25k/year analysts aren't winning any games. Saban wins because he's the best coach and they sign the #1 class every year.

Alabama has always had bags. They almost got the death penalty twice, and unlike us, they earned it. We've never had that budget and still won 5.

The formula is the same. Keep the best players home, sign some out-of-state freaks and coach them. Unlike Alabama or Georgia, we don't have to hire Cuban guys or buy billboards to get it done. We just need to be the best version of Miami.

You hit the nail on he head with this post.

People are ALWAYS talking about how much college football has changed and how Miami doesn't have this or have that and conjuring up all the reasons why Miami can't be a dominant program again.

I hear all of this and the logic is flawed because both UF and FSU have "all of this, and all of that" and still had mediocre seasons.

Miami was a Sleeping Giant for over a decade and Richt gave Miami a pulse.

Like think about it, Miami won 10 games and was undermanned, injured and without a big time QB. Like really, think about that.

The Sleeping Giant that is Miami is almost to full strength and College Football isn't ready for that.

 

[Texxcane]

Miami finished six straight years unranked with Shannon and Golden. Richt's first year we finished 20th. This year we finished 13th.

Golden's last recruiting class ranked 27th. Richt's interim class finished 22nd. His first full class was 12th. This class is currently 6th, a sliver behind Bama.

The trends are easy to read. We are on the path to being Miami again. And when we're Miami, there isn't a more complete team in the nation.

D, you hit the crucial point about a Miami team being the most complete. I hope Mark intends to build a Miami team and not a sec team. We took over, college football by being the team the other were not. We need to go back to that. Need fullback and the ability to have a qb play under center not just shotgun. We need consistent Miami defense and stop giving all that space on 3 and long. We need nfl TEs and qb who can hit them in the middle. Watching last night all I could think about is how neither of those team stood a chance against our old teams. They look just like the college football we destroyed.

This is what I have said several times here and got rocked for it but your dead on. I sure hope Richt is building this kind of team to, a traditional qb that can go UNDER center with a two back set, a kick *** te that we actually throw the ball to ALOT. You can still go shotgun if need be but we have not had a pro style under center qb in forever. Linemen, we need more big nastys on both sides, bamas lines look NFL already and uga linemen were near the same. I said in another thread Texas has a bunch of big linemen but saban, Herman, and OU scoops them up. Over 500 kids from Texas going d1 and not 1 kid to The U. Jimmy recruited the **** out of Texas, are we not doing so anymore ?

 

[BoxingRobes]

I realize running a college football fan message board makes you trade in optimism. I respect that. But if you think that Miami can compete at the level we once did, in the current climate of college football, you're deluding yourself.

People used to say we couldn't recruit elite classes anymore because "college football has changed" and "facilities." Now that we're signing elite players and the Army game looks like a Miami commercial, the story changes. Now we can't win because of student interns and deer antler powder.

Those $25k/year analysts aren't winning any games. Saban wins because he's the best coach and they sign the #1 class every year.

Alabama has always had bags. They almost got the death penalty twice, and unlike us, they earned it. We've never had that budget and still won 5.

The formula is the same. Keep the best players home, sign some out-of-state freaks and coach them. Unlike Alabama or Georgia, we don't have to hire Cuban guys or buy billboards to get it done. We just need to be the best version of Miami.

I mean, Alabama has a pretty amazing scouting support staff, too.

With that said...we aren't keeping the best players at home at a rate we need to have success, nevermind sustain it. As explained on the recruiting board...there are several key spots we aren't even in the same hemisphere for. OL/DL recruiting is pretty terrible (its really average for a P5 team trying to compete) all things considered.

 

[gogeta4]

I realize running a college football fan message board makes you trade in optimism. I respect that. But if you think that Miami can compete at the level we once did, in the current climate of college football, you're deluding yourself.

People used to say we couldn't recruit elite classes anymore because "college football has changed" and "facilities." Now that we're signing elite players and the Army game looks like a Miami commercial, the story changes. Now we can't win because of student interns and deer antler powder.

Those $25k/year analysts aren't winning any games. Saban wins because he's the best coach and they sign the #1 class every year.

Alabama has always had bags. They almost got the death penalty twice, and unlike us, they earned it. We've never had that budget and still won 5.

The formula is the same. Keep the best players home, sign some out-of-state freaks and coach them. Unlike Alabama or Georgia, we don't have to hire Cuban guys or buy billboards to get it done. We just need to be the best version of Miami.

I mean, Alabama has a pretty amazing scouting support staff, too.

With that said...we aren't keeping the best players at home at a rate we need to have success, nevermind sustain it. As explained on the recruiting board...there are several key spots we aren't even in the same hemisphere for. OL/DL recruiting is pretty terrible (its really average for a P5 team trying to compete) all things considered.

That is the part that scares me. We dont scour or offer guys all over the nation. Even DJ JOHNSONcoming here was him actually contacting us. We need to be after every legit 4-5 star OT'S EVERY YEAR...and offer 40 DTS a year. Bama does it every year. Offer them..recruit them..then dwindle down the numbers. I hate having a good to great class and then looking at it we have 1 dt (still have to recruit him) and 1 Lb committed with NO TRUE TARGETS even named currently...Im not even counting Briggs...as he is a guy that flat out told u he was headed to FSU and he isnt a top level guy anyway imo.

 

[rsa coral gables]

D$, I wish I could buy in...


College football is a different animal than it was last time Miami was 'Miami.' Even if Richt closes the talent gap with top level recruiting, we'll still be playing teams with dozens of 'analysts', questionable S&C programs, and shady 'scouting' and gameday practices that would put the Belichick Patriots to shame.


I'm not saying that Miami football will never be enjoyable to watch again; ****, this past season was as fun of a ride as I can remember since early last decade, but the ceiling on the program isn't what it once was. Without some degree of change away from the direction the sport has headed (and good luck with that, considering the crooked, inept nature of the NCAA and ESPN/Disney's almost complete ownership of FBS college football), Miami will never be 'Miami' again, the sooner you can accept that, the sooner you can enjoy the steps forward the program has actually taken in the past couple years.

but this has always been the context for Miami. based on objective measureables, the program should never have won a championship, much less 5. it has always been and will always be david v goliath.

It's not David vs Goliath anymore in college football. It's small business versus Walmart.

same thing. we are the small business and alabama et al are the walmart. nothing has changed. we have one thing no other program has, the State of Miami. that makes up for the gulf in all other areas. we dominate the State of Miami and it becomes Amazon v Walmart.

 

[Texxcane]

It don't matter how many stud athletes you sign if your not stout up front you can't compete with the bamas. Above post is correct, it starts up front, wonder how butch was always stocking the cupboard with insane DL here, while on probation, AND that basketball school. Richt don't seem to make it a very high priority, it was #1 priority with Davis, and why don't we recruit Texas anymore ?

 

[OldhamA]

I realize running a college football fan message board makes you trade in optimism. I respect that. But if you think that Miami can compete at the level we once did, in the current climate of college football, you're deluding yourself.

People used to say we couldn't recruit elite classes anymore because "college football has changed" and "facilities." Now that we're signing elite players and the Army game looks like a Miami commercial, the story changes. Now we can't win because of student interns and deer antler powder.

Those $25k/year analysts aren't winning any games. Saban wins because he's the best coach and they sign the #1 class every year.

Alabama has always had bags. They almost got the death penalty twice, and unlike us, they earned it. We've never had that budget and still won 5.

The formula is the same. Keep the best players home, sign some out-of-state freaks and coach them. Unlike Alabama or Georgia, we don't have to hire Cuban guys or buy billboards to get it done. We just need to be the best version of Miami.

I mean, Alabama has a pretty amazing scouting support staff, too.

With that said...we aren't keeping the best players at home at a rate we need to have success, nevermind sustain it. As explained on the recruiting board...there are several key spots we aren't even in the same hemisphere for. OL/DL recruiting is pretty terrible (its really average for a P5 team trying to compete) all things considered.

That is the part that scares me. We dont scour or offer guys all over the nation. Even DJ JOHNSONcoming here was him actually contacting us. We need to be after every legit 4-5 star OT'S EVERY YEAR...and offer 40 DTS a year. Bama does it every year. Offer them..recruit them..then dwindle down the numbers. I hate having a good to great class and then looking at it we have 1 dt (still have to recruit him) and 1 Lb committed with NO TRUE TARGETS even named currently...Im not even counting Briggs...as he is a guy that flat out told u he was headed to FSU and he isnt a top level guy anyway imo.

Can we actually say that the Oline recruiting hasn't been up to snuff before we see what last year's class looks like after a year in the programme?

18 year old OL don't tend to walk into the starting lineup of a Power 5 programme. I think all the naysayers need to give these guys the benefit of the doubt before saying we'll never compete at Alabama's level because we don't dominate the trenches.

What if Herbert or Hillery is a lock down LT next year? That changes EVERYTHING.

At the end of the day it's a process and, as evidenced by the game yesterday, Richt knows what it takes to build a National Championship contending roster. He has to be given time.

 

[Consigliere]

Miami finished six straight years unranked with Shannon and Golden. Richt's first year we finished 20th. This year we finished 13th.

Golden's last recruiting class ranked 27th. Richt's interim class finished 22nd. His first full class was 12th. This class is currently 6th, a sliver behind Bama.

The trends are easy to read. We are on the path to being Miami again. And when we're Miami, there isn't a more complete team in the nation.

D,

A few things:

1. Miami is no doubt in better hands with Richt. This is obvious. We haven't had a real coach in some time. We haven't had a quality coached team since _______ . In fact, it is not fair to compare Richt to our prior 3 coaches because they're all atrocious. In terms of what is considered success here, the bar has been so low at Miami, that Richt obviously is exceeding those prior coaches (by a lot).

2. It hasn't been recruiting that has held us back over the past _____ years. We've had plenty of players make the league during that time and excel. These players end up playing much better at the higher level when they receive real coaching. We've talked about that 2013 team and how many players ended up making the league and starting in games. It isn't the talent that has held us back from winning the ACC, beating FSU, making more BCS games etc. The main reason we haven't had success since _______ is because the coaching has been utter chit.

This doesn't mean that the talent was the elite of elite, this doesn't mean the talent shoudn't have been better, it just means that the talent was more than sufficient to do the above and coaching has been the main thing holding us back. With that said, I have no doubt Richt will upgrade the talent.

3. My problem with Richt is coaching and his "ego". We have real issues on offense and the team has regressed there. We also have issues on STs and defense. Will Richt do what is necessary and make some changes to his staff or will he dig his heels in?

So my questions for you D, are as follows:

A. Is this staff, in place today, a championship staff?

B. If this staff is not a championship staff, what is the ONE (most important) change you would make?

C. Assuming this staff is not a championship staff, what other changes would you make?

 

[Lokest]

Best statement of the day is the one above.......

Flew in to VTech and Wisconsin games this year from LA.

We have the best stadium situation in the country. The atmosphere is unparalleled. It is brand new. State of the art locker room AND you live within 20 minutes of SOuth Beach and in the Beverly Hills of the South.

Has anyone BEEN to Tuscaloosa!!!

It’s just like Hawaii

 

[M3N]

You ain’t winning **** when u can’t stay on the field on O and can’t get off on D.

You definitely ain’t winning if you have 3+ green coaches

 

[Notsince1985]

Miami finished six straight years unranked with Shannon and Golden. Richt's first year we finished 20th. This year we finished 13th.

Golden's last recruiting class ranked 27th. Richt's interim class finished 22nd. His first full class was 12th. This class is currently 6th, a sliver behind Bama.

The trends are easy to read. We are on the path to being Miami again. And when we're Miami, there isn't a more complete team in the nation.

I think the problem is everyone's seeing that Smart took the team Richt built to the national title game, without properly looking at it deeper.

UGA got to avoid Bama in the SEC title game.

UGA got lucky with injuries.

UGA had a senior laden team (31).

Richt got this team just as close as Kirby did to winning a national title in 2012/2013 where they were 5 yards from beating Bama in the SEC title game. Everyone knew that whomever won that game was going to annihilate an overrated Notre Dame team that year.

My only two gripes with Richt this year is how vanilla the offense is - knowing full well we had a poor man's Jalen Hurts behind center and what our D-line depth looks like at this present moment.

But Richt walked into a crap situation with this team and in year 2 won the division, got us to 10 wins and the Orange Bowl. Smart clearly walked into the short-term better situation.

In year 3, I wouldn't be surprised if Miami has the better year than UGA.

When Richt was at Georgia, he had to go up against Urban Meyer's Florida and a decent Tennessee team. The fact that both Florida and Tennessee fired their coaches this year (and the fact that we have a thread called "Gator Tears") indicates what kind of year it was for those two teams.

Goes without saying.... it's a lot easier to win when your two biggest division rivals are having historically ****ty seasons.

So in other words, Georgia was never really tested until they played Auburn... and they split that series 50/50.

Tennessee hasn’t been decent since 07.

Meyer lost 3 games in 2010.

How many SEC titles did Richt play for since 2011? Two?

Richt would have been in the playoffs at least twice, maybe 3 times at UGA under the new system. Smart wouldn't have been in the title game this year under the old. Just throwing that out there.

 

[TheEye]

Winning cures all. Winning leads to butts in seats. Butts in seats leads to recruits staying in S. Fl. Recruiting leads to championships.

 

[tcgrad1014]

Miami finished six straight years unranked with Shannon and Golden. Richt's first year we finished 20th. This year we finished 13th.

Golden's last recruiting class ranked 27th. Richt's interim class finished 22nd. His first full class was 12th. This class is currently 6th, a sliver behind Bama.

The trends are easy to read. We are on the path to being Miami again. And when we're Miami, there isn't a more complete team in the nation.

So far Richt is doing the same thing that he did at UGA at Miami. Everybody knows he's a very good recruiter who puts up 9-10 wins every year. Why is that even noteworthy? You are lowering the bar by comparing a clearly competent coach to the incompetent coaches that ran us into the ground for a decade.

With our recruiting geography and the dog **** quality of the division, getting Miami to a coastal title was a given for a competent staff. I have no doubt that under Richt we'll regularly be winning the division. ​

You see a trend, I see Mark Richt being the same Mark Richt he was for 15 years at UGA. Going from good to elite is going to be much harder than going from mediocre to good. Richt has a long track record of running a good program. He has no track record of getting a program to elite.

 

[k9cane]

Find Miami a good-to-great QB and I think they are in business. You saw how valuable a Deshaun Watson was. It's why this spring ball is so big. Honestly, if Rosier takes the majority of snaps in 2018, it's a wasted season in my view

But the Bama worship on this board is incredible. Yes, they are a vaunted program but if Smart doesn't unplug his Sony in the 4th, they most likely lose in a game they were out-played for much of the contest. Every time I see a QB/offense that is adept at throwing downfield, the Bama defense suddenly becomes very mortal. As good as the SEC is physically, they also have poor QB play and mediocre offenses across the board.

 

[Samson Doyo]

Best statement of the day is the one above.......

Flew in to VTech and Wisconsin games this year from LA.

We have the best stadium situation in the country. The atmosphere is unparalleled. It is brand new. State of the art locker room AND you live within 20 minutes of SOuth Beach and in the Beverly Hills of the South.

Has anyone BEEN to Tuscaloosa!!!

It’s just like Hawaii

Well done sir. Jumped out to a quick lead in post of the year contest. I commend you.

Go Canes!

 

[Miami Nights]

Another long-winded porst by Awsi praising Alabama and slamming Miami and South Florida.

It's interesting that [MENTION=2134]Awsi Dooger[/MENTION] consistently trashes South Florida recruits and touts yards per pass as the Holy Grail of predictive stats.

He's on to something with yards per pass, but ignores the fact that this region produces the best corners (Patrick Peterson, Xavier Rhodes, Janoris Jenkins) and some of the best pass rushers on the planet.

It's easy to limit yards per pass when you're signing guys like Joey Bosa, Geno Atkins, JPP and Olivier Vernon. Or for more recent examples, Joe Jackson, Nick Bosa, Jon Garvin and Brian Burns.

The constant fallback for Miami fans is talent.


Lost in Alabama's recent dominance is that talent, in of itself, isn't enough. Sure, possibly nobody brings more talent to the table recently than the Saban plantation, but they've also shown the ability to consistently beat teams that are close or equal in talent. Maybe it has to do with Saban being the best coach in the history of football (as long as your short memory forgets those NFL years) and having big magical balls, or with Tuscaloosa being this beautiful location and school (insider tip: it ain't). Or maybe it has to do with Alabama having two dozen analysts, an army of students willing to scout teams, steal signals, and mail recruits, in exchange for a handful of Chick-fil-A gift cards, and a personal smoothie bar that puts juuuusssstttt the right amount of deer antler powder into every post workout drink.


If you think that talent is enough to keep up with the Sabans and the Meyers...it's not. Because it isn't about blue chip athletes. It isn't even about them being good gameday coaches. It's about the organization and the methods they've established. It's about college football programs being run like large companies with resources that NFL teams would flinch at.


No amount of talent can change that.


I realize running a college football fan message board makes you trade in optimism. I respect that. But if you think that Miami can compete at the level we once did, in the current climate of college football, you're deluding yourself.

This. This. This. And more of this. Alabama has rewritten the rules of college football. And now there is not only the have/have nots. Within the “haves” there is a select group with a seemingly endless supply of man power and treasure to scout, analyze and recruit. There’s only so many programs that can do that. Miami is not one of them. We could do it on a small scale, but unless some billionaire makes us his pet project, that’s not going to happen. We are in the need of a once in a decade prospect along with seasoned, blue chip talent that we normally get to even the odds.

Baja hasn't rewritten a got dam thing. They aren't doing anything new that hasn't been done in cfb except have an elite coach stay there a long as time. If rich is what y'all think he can be he can stock pile the talent to beat bama's *** plain and simple. If rich is a fluke or fly-by-knighted then yea Miami won't be winning chit.

 

[miamidan20]

Unless the Bama team plane crashes or their bus crashes before a game, the next two titles belong pretty much to Bama. Their isn't a rooster out there that can compare to what they have already and what they will bring in. If someone, like us, is lucky with a QB who can be a wild card like Deshaun Watson, then one could compete with Bama with a puncher's chance.

I agree that Richt is righting the ship and the future is very bright, but Bama..... cot dam......

How about this one?

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That is a very nice rooster!


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[Texxcane]

Miami finished six straight years unranked with Shannon and Golden. Richt's first year we finished 20th. This year we finished 13th.

Golden's last recruiting class ranked 27th. Richt's interim class finished 22nd. His first full class was 12th. This class is currently 6th, a sliver behind Bama.

The trends are easy to read. We are on the path to being Miami again. And when we're Miami, there isn't a more complete team in the nation.

So far Richt is doing the same thing that he did at UGA at Miami. Everybody knows he's a very good recruiter who puts up 9-10 wins every year. Why is that even noteworthy? You are lowering the bar by comparing a clearly competent coach to the incompetent coaches that ran us into the ground for a decade.

With our recruiting geography and the dog **** quality of the division, getting Miami to a coastal title was a given for a competent staff. I have no doubt that under Richt we'll regularly be winning the division. ​

You see a trend, I see Mark Richt being the same Mark Richt he was for 15 years at UGA. Going from good to elite is going to be much harder than going from mediocre to good. Richt has a long track record of running a good program. He has no track record of getting a program to elite.

good post right here, pretty much the way i see it

 

[supacane]

We will be fine. Eventually we will have enough players where coaching looks better than it really is.

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[Dwinstitles]

Show me trends alllllll day but we're a long way away.

Its because we saw bama and UGA play, they make u feel that way. But Dmoney bring proof to the table and hes right when u look at it that way