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Some thoughts on the Louisville loss

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StoneWallLoungeCane said:
A lot of cope in here about penalties and Beck. The biggest problem is that we have zero running game because Wario wants to prove how “tough” his team is, so he’s constantly asking them to run that stupid dive play when it clearly doesn’t work. He did this against ND in the second half and almost blew the game, did it against FSU and almost blew the game (has the lowest point differential in a W against FSU this year), and then did it against Louisville. This is who he is. Fake tough guy nonsense. It would take a personality transplant for Miami to be good. Miami’s losing 2-3 more games at a minimum.
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The running game caused Beck to throw into triple coverage with guys wide open in the flats ? We paid dude 4 million mind you
 
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Hoyacane1620 said:
McCoy got alot of positive press before the season and frankly, he hasn't shown up at all.
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I am asking honestly, what is the evidence to support this statement? I don't think Matt McCoy is going to be an All-American this year and I don't even think he has been "really good", but he remains a starter on one of the best offensive lines in college football and I sure hope he comes back next season for us.
 
Hoyacane1620 said:
He's gotten called for pre snap, too. Literally eveyone on that lline has moved early except CICI. Bell has been a repeat offender every game
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Cici has been called for pre snap penalties. I think he’s been flagged every game this year at least once .
 
DMoney said:
I'm not demoralized, but I'm anxious.

All of us would've signed up for 5-1 and sweeping our rivals. This is modern college football. I didn't have Louisville as the loss - their OL looked miserable on tape - but maybe we should've seen it coming. Mario's Oregon teams routinely dropped these games, and this was his fifth loss as a double-digit favorite (tying him with Kalen DeBoer and Hugh Freeze). Either way, we enter the second half of the season as a Top 10 team.

The reason I'm anxious is the calendar. This is the stretch where we always collapse. Another loss would be devastating. We thought for a minute it might be easy, and now we're back to sniffing glue.

Our culture is about to get a stress test. Miami will be favorites in every game. The team is relatively healthy. If they stay on point and together, this will be a very successful season. But they need to deal with adversity for the first time in a while.

The first three drives set the tone for this game. We didn't do a good job of handling the bye/game/bye stretch, and it showed early. We couldn’t tackle, the team looked flat, and there was no juice in the building. On Louisville's first play, their RT and Jaleel Skinner execute a textbook double-team on Rueben Bain to pop Isaac Brown. Brohm calls a beautiful drive from there and Louisville scores a short TD.

We get the ball, Francis Mauigoa commits an 15-yard unsportsmanlike, and the drive is dead on arrival. We didn't run once because of down and distance. Three and out.

Louisville gets the ball at the Miami 46 after a good return. Brohm calls three papercuts for a first down, and then Chris Bell takes a crosser through the heart of our defense for six.

From that point, Louisville controlled the game. Brohm is the real deal and his team played hard. Miller Moss, who can be erratic, was decisive with a quick passing game that neutralized our pass rush (2.32 seconds before pass). I underrated Louisville's defense- they have good athletes who made some incredible plays to capitalize on our mistakes. They deserved to win.

There were lot of reasons for the loss, but two stand out as obvious. We can't win with four interceptions. It took me back to 2023 because there wasn't even pressure. Just teams playing pass and reading our QB. We spent a lot time this off-season discussing Cam's failure to checkdown to Arroyo against GT, but Carson Beck made a similar mistake with Alex Bauman on the first INT. Beck needs to take the easy money when it's there. That's his game.

Beck's response will be the story of the season. The media is waiting for him to fold and lose the locker room, as evidenced by Danny Kannell's tweet. We all have have TVD PTSD as Miami fans. I think Beck is a different player, with more winning experience and a tighter relationship with his team. But he'll need to prove it.

The other story is the nine penalties. We’re 130th in penalties per game after finishing 98th last year. It’s a consistent problem that causes us to play below our talent level.

A lot of the focus will be on the running game. I don’t expect a wholesale philosophy change after years of success, but I do think you’ll see more outside runs going forward. We’re only averaging 80 yards over the past two games. That’s unacceptable, even if teams are scheming to take away the run.

But I thought the biggest issue with the running game was the penalties. Our whole philosophy is based on controlling down and distance, and we were always behind the sticks because of unforced errors. We only had 18 total rushing attempts in a close low-scoring game. Louisville controlled the pace with their quick passing, and they ran better than they have all season. It felt like every time Heatherman went to a different pressure look, Brohm called an Isaac Brown run right into the soft spot of the front.

Miami's offensive line played their worst game of the season. While pass blocking was mostly fine, Matt McCoy got beat clean on a crucial fourth down and caused Beck’s third INT. With good protection, Beck finds Elija Lofton wide open in the flat.

Three players are still dragging on the offense. Lofton has regressed as a blocker and still looks lumbering in the passing game, while also making mental mistakes. Jordan Lyle is bouncing around and struggling to fit the run scheme. Jojo Trader only played one play.

There’s reason the staff is force-feeding Lyle/Lofton and pushing JoJo- they’ve seen their impact ability in practice. But for a variety of reasons, it’s not translating to production. The good news is it’s a long season. But it’s not forever, and we need to see signs of life soon.

Malachi Toney has been consistently performing like one of the best playmakers in America. His physicality is the revelation to me- he's stiff-arming and running over older players like nothing. Him and CJ Daniels are a playoff-caliber duo, but they need help.



The other star receiver on the field was Bell. I called him the best draft-eligible receiver earlier in the week, and that might’ve been selling him short. He’s playing like the next best receiver in America after Jeremiah Smith. Unreal horsepower.

From a playcalling standpoint, two things stuck out to my untrained eyes- we should have played with more urgency and tempo down in the 4th, and we got too screen-happy in the 3rd. Even in a bad game, we need to trust our veteran QB to make decisions with good pass protection.

Random personnel note- we played both Booker Pickett and Herbert Scroggins with Akheem Mesidor banged up. I wonder if we see them (and Marquise Lightfoot) more against Stanford.

I saved this one for last, because it’s not an excuse. But the atmosphere was terrible to start the game. Some of it was traffic and people getting off work. That’s not a fan issue. But the student section was half full and taking selfies. Let’s be better.

The good news is that we don’t have to wait through another bye. We will see how this team responds right away. Go Canes.
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first off D, thank you. We so appreciate your insights and the depth of your analysis. Grateful to call you a friend and love our canes debates.

Speaking purely for my own perspective it’s never about the L but it’s about the how. Especially when the head man is all about how you do anything is how you do everything. Coming out a bye, out coached, out classed, out efforted, out executed. This game should have been circled as the last major hurdle for us.

Offense:
Looking forward We need to self scout hard. Beck’s dark side is a who I thought he was and incessantly debated you about. However, if you go back and watch the UF game he played last year (threw three picks but they survived) and then they changed the playbook a bit. He user TEs and backs more. I hope we do the same; even though we don’t have Georgia caliber TEs (an issue for another day). Mario and Mirabal need to rethink the entire run scheme, the whole we don’t lose yards in this scheme has turned out to be garbage. Use Lyle Off tackle and in space. Get back to what worked in 21 personnel and stop that dumb *** motion. We don’t have a third WR unless jojo gets his head out of his ******. Oline needs more discipline and consistency, second biggest disappointment behind Beck in the game. The defense really adjusted well and played with heart. The good news is that this team has leaders. 6-0 and 4-2 will come down to how the leaders on the team respond. In a rare case of head and heart agreeing, I think we run the table because of our leaders. Let’s go deforest the cardinal and then make glue from some ponies. Go Canes
 
Alex_Dynamix said:
Well you need to make the playoffs in the first place to even have a chance at the National Championship, saying an ACC chip is more important then making the playoff is wild to me but to each his own 🤷🏾‍♂️ .. if we missed the ACC title game entirely but make the playoffs at 11-1 I’d wouldn’t give two *****..I want a chance at the Natty
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This. We've spent four years talking about how badly we need to get out of this conference and now we want to hang a banner for the ACC Title?

I don't think Clemson fans are out in the street bragging about the ACC title win last season.

The only thing that matters is making the playoffs and if you win a game, it means you are one of the 8 best teams in the country that season. Recruits want to play for national titles, not a trip to Charlotte.
 
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Hoyacane1620 said:
I sincerely hope that Dawson spends the weekend working on a game plan to beat Stanfords defensive tendencies. Brohm spent two weeks on the plan for Friday’s game. Looked like Dawson spent 2 minutes…. They came into that game assuming they were going to push both LVille’s lines around and had no answer when it didn’t happen.

Use the skill talent on the bench. It’s getting tiresome listening to all the talk about “trust”. What’s trust? Blocking? Guys getting the snaps aren’t doing that well anymore. Let’s see Moore and some of the other backups. Every team going forward will key in Toney and Daniels.

And for god’s sake stop running Lyle into the middle of the line.
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We saw more targets to different guys early in the season, and we looked like a complete team. Now we are becoming a one trick pony for some reason.
 
MikeyCanez said:
This. We've spent four years talking about how badly we need to get out of this conference and now we want to hang a banner for the ACC Title?

I don't think Clemson fans are out in the street bragging about the ACC title win last season.

The only thing that matters is making the playoffs and if you win a game, it means you are one of the 8 best teams in the country that season. Recruits want to play for national titles, not a trip to Charlotte.
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Facts 💯💯
 
Gocanes1990 said:
first off D, thank you. We so appreciate your insights and the depth of your analysis. Grateful to call you a friend and love our canes debates.

Speaking purely for my own perspective it’s never about the L but it’s about the how. Especially when the head man is all about how you do anything is how you do everything. Coming out a bye, out coached, out classed, out efforted, out executed. This game should have been circled as the last major hurdle for us.

Offense:
Looking forward We need to self scout hard. Beck’s dark side is a who I thought he was and incessantly debated you about. However, if you go back and watch the UF game he played last year (threw three picks but they survived) and then they changed the playbook a bit. He user TEs and backs more. I hope we do the same; even though we don’t have Georgia caliber TEs (an issue for another day). Mario and Mirabal need to rethink the entire run scheme, the whole we don’t lose yards in this scheme has turned out to be garbage. Use Lyle Off tackle and in space. Get back to what worked in 21 personnel and stop that dumb *** motion. We don’t have a third WR unless jojo gets his head out of his ******. Oline needs more discipline and consistency, second biggest disappointment behind Beck in the game. The defense really adjusted well and played with heart. The good news is that this team has leaders. 6-0 and 4-2 will come down to how the leaders on the team respond. In a rare case of head and heart agreeing, I think we run the table because of our leaders. Let’s go deforest the cardinal and then make glue from some ponies. Go Canes
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Really big piece of trying to run the table will be the health of Mesidor. We need him fully healthy. Try not to laugh too hard as I ask about an injury in this program but does anyone know his deal? Just a twisted ankle? Either way, I hope he doesn’t play against Stanford and he’s 100% for SMU. He’s a major, major piece of trying to end this year 6-0.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
I know his name is poison on this board, and some of it for good reason, but Bud Elliott does make some good points at times. One reason for some pessimism on Miami in general is exactly what D mentioned. These middle of the road ACC home games, we get zero juice from the building. No, it’s not an excuse why we lost. And it’s literally never going to get any better, we just have to deal with it. But he (and he’s not the only one by any means) has pointed out that the home crowd atmosphere critique is two-fold. People say we have no home field advantage. That’s patently false. For the big games, it’s absolutely an advantage. ND and UiF were absolutely advantageous situations.

But for these ACC games, the building is largely dead, most notably at the start. Many, many other teams in the P4 (just about all of them, to be fair) get energy from the home crowds every single time out. To be blunt, we don’t. Elliott has pointed that out as a reason that we’ve traditionally struggled in these spots. We can all roll our eyes, and part of me does. At the end of the day, it’s your job to coach and play well, whether there’s 8 or 80,000 in the building. You’re literally paid to do it these days. But to completely ignore it as a factor is disingenuous at this point. It’s beyond a trend.

I’m sure this post will get negged, and that’s fine. It’s NOT the reason we lost. And again, this is probably pointless, because we’re never going to just make the place Nebraska or Death Valley for “******” ACC teams. There’s no solution, frankly. But I do think it contributes to the performance in some way. I wish there was some way to change it, but it’s never going to happen. We just have to find ways to win in the 1-2 times a year when we do come out flat (EVERY team does it), because we’re not going to get carried by the building in these underwhelming on-paper matchups.
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Thankfully we have only 1 Friday night game. Next week is Saturday prime time again.

I'd imagine SMU will also be prime time if both teams win thus upcoming week.
 
PIPO said:
I am going to say it now and we are lucky Angeli for Syracuse got hurt.

Syracuse with a less talented backup QB is going to do the same thing as Louisville because they are the originators of the quick pass script va us from last year.
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I would agree. But quick passing if fine if the team doesn’t have elite WR’s. I’d say Bell was the only WR that gave us fits so far. Duce had stats but that was the game plan to prevent deep shots
 
Hoyacane1620 said:
Thankfully we have only 1 Friday night game. Next week is Saturday prime time again.

I'd imagine SMU will also be prime time if both teams win thus upcoming week.
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Doesn’t really mean anything and we should know for sure in about 14 hours but the main guy on Twitter that I know of who “predicts” this **** thinks it’ll be noon on ESPN. I wouldn’t hate that. It didn’t work out for us last year in Atlanta but in general I prefer early road games.
 
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Angry Ibis said:
Blaming the fans is weak sauce. The fans were not responsible for the team getting smacked in the mouth and not being able to come back. The stadium was loud. I picked up the kids, drove down from Orlando, made it in time for kick off. Traffic is a pain in the ***, so Mario can **** off letting the fans down with his lack of preparation for Louisville, and then the voice of the Hecht blames the same fans.

You know what kills a crowd. Letting the opposing team drive down the field, stopping them on 3rd, falling for an obvious fake FG, then thinking you stopped them because you didn't know the situation that they can get a first...

Blaming the crowd again is a sign of dysfunction. How you do anything is how your heralded OL keeps ******* up, your run game coordinator is a corch and you are a meat head that fears his own shadow while pounding your hand talking about being a real man.

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Where I was sitting in the WEZ (opposite of where UL was going, everyone in ear shot of me was saying “they are going to fake it. They want to make a statement.”

Boom, 5 seconds later, they allow some fat boy punter (flashback to the fat boy from Georgia Tech and his pass over DJ Ivey to an open receiver) flashback.

Just embarrassing. We stop them in that fake, we get the crowd going.
 
tdjones34 said:
hypothetical 11-1 Miami wouldn't open vs a team ranked better them and would probably have a bye
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11-1 miami who doesn't make the conference championship game would not be ranked ahead of the 1 or 0 loss ACC Champion. In fact a 11-1 Miami team that doesn't even make the conference championship game likely is barely even a 12 seed.
 
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