Some positives

[SSCane]

Rivers played well against Verse all game

Guidry deserves a lot of credit… switching schemes mid season to a 3-3-5 and getting results is absolutely a credit to how knowledgeable he is in applying a defense relative to the talent on hand and not trying to force a round peg in a square hole.

Let's pray, he doesn't leave anytime soon.

 

[SSCane]

That what so frustrating with the team this year.

We are remarkably better at almost every position this year.
Yet, we are seeing the same results on offense. How in **** is that possible?

It makes little difference what improvements we make, if we can only muster 20pts a game.
That is just not going to get it done in todays game, no matter how good your defense is.

Unfortunately, I don’t see anything to suggest this offense is going to be any different next year with Mario and Down syndrome Dawson running the show.
Seriously, how do you get the same results as Gattis last year with this great line, running back room and improves WRs?
It’s inexplicable, and inexcusable.
And when the **** is Mario going to address our QB situation?

 

[ristwasdown]

That what so frustrating with the team this year.

We are remarkably better at almost every position this year.
Yet, we are seeing the same results on offense. How in **** is that possible?

It makes little difference what improvements we make, if we can only muster 20pts a game.
That is just not going to get it done in todays game, no matter how good your defense is.

Unfortunately, I don’t see anything to suggest this offense is going to be any different next year with Mario and Down syndrome Dawson running the show.
Seriously, how do you get the same results as Gattis last year with this great line, running back room and improves WRs?
It’s inexplicable, and inexcusable.
And when the **** is Mario going to address our QB situation?

Biggest issue is qb. Only so much you can do with turnovers, not taking a knee, and ****** qb play.

Watch other teams play and it will make you depressed how **** our qbs have been

 

[Bird4um]

We have the pieces.

Just need the coaching.

Qb

 

[PIPO]

What can a head coach do when the only QB you have has self destructed? Maybe notice all the complaints are synonymous with his play going downhill(rapidly) you really wanna blame any coach for your Heisman hopeful QB having 12 turnovers in 4 games? Bench him that's the obvious trend. No problem let's do it and understand most defenses we see aren't poo but then you still get a QB u attempted to keep his redshirt and isn't prepared yet to be a starter on this level. Complain about play calling second half. No problem. Well we're yall complaining about play calling when we were attempting to throw the ball around some in the first half and we had 4(I believe it was,maybe 3) three and outs because we couldn't complete a pass? How bout when what gave us momentum and had them rocked was us running the ball down they throat? Maybe you say well take the top of the field? Okay well did you notice what Emory's deep ball looks like? Not many recipes for success. We had installed several packages for jaccurri and I would've loved to see that blended in. But anyways not sure how our issues relate to Mario. Me I'm just tired of all this feminine **** with so much *****ing. There's is soo many positives to take away from this team. If you take a second to realize where we are with good QB play even all this hoe *** **** would just go away. Y'all do you. I'm tired of arguing with people who just wanna be miserable. ****em.

Ok. I’ll just make statements rather than ask questions.

Mario, as the head of this program, is responsible for the players in the team. He’s has a responsibility to discuss with the OC about putting Jacurri in on certain packages at certain times of the game. It’s not as if Jacurri has been sitting with his thumb up his *** during the season doing nothing. I am sure he’s on scout team running offenses there.

Mario is responsible for bringing in a portal QB as a backup. History suggest TVD can’t stay healthy and has been up and down performance wise. If his plan, as it’s played out, was to go with TVD and 2 freshmen as the backups, it was bad judgement. That’s the common theme with him. Bad judgement. Bad judgment to not take a knee, etc.

So the problems we saw at FSU is on Mario even is he’s not calling the plays because we had to go out there with a true freshman.

He was part of the staff making the evaluation to also keep TVD. The evaluations on the current QB recruiting. I am not trusting that evaluation as the incoming freshman QB.

Lastly, who hired the last 2 offensive coordinators. You say he’s not calling the plays but he’s the one taking months to make a hire. Again, part of his judgement process. Takes months and yet you and others say Mario is not responsible for the play calling. Yes he is! Indirectly by hiring the people he hired.

This offense looks constipated at best. In today’s college football world, we are averaging 22.3 ppg in conference play.

In what world is that ok?

 

[Brooklyndee]

Any idea what Dawson/Mario’s rationale is for running condensed formations or a tight trips bunch set? When we spread defenses out, we suddenly find success both through the air and on the ground.

I’m not saying we commit to spread all of the time, but it seems like we leave a lot to be desired in the spacing department.

Never mind the fact that it’s harder to identify who is blitzing when you’re operating out of a phone booth.

We got dudes like Smith and Ray Ray who can stretch defenses with their speed, but we rarely utilize the entire field on offense.

I realize the strength of this team is our OL, but we don’t do ourselves any favors running into a 7-8 man box. I know you’re close to the program, so I’m curious to hear your thoughts. As always, thanks in advance.

Myself I think we base it all on different versions of max protect essentially. We're not entirely trusting of our tight ends for good reason. McCormick is a liability in the passing game. Williams is a liability period right now and Arroyo is constantly hurt... Our wr have strengths in open field but our QB doesn't survey the field. It sounds stupid in my eyes but I suppose you could view that as a way to keep defenses from keying on where he's going with the ball. Honestly not many excuses could or should be made for how often we're in bunch formations. So you got me on that one. Lol

 

[SSCane]

Biggest issue is qb. Only so much you can do with turnovers, not taking a knee, and ****** qb play.

Watch other teams play and it will make you depressed how **** our qbs have been

Oh, I agree 100%.
I’ve never seen QB play this bad since Kirby Freeman was our signal caller.

Point still stands, Gattis had the same QBs, besides Emory, and would argue Emory is better than Garcia. Yet, we see zero improvement?

How has Mario not addressed our QB situation in the two years he’s been here?

He signed a project last cycle, who is no where near being ready to start and play at this level and who unfortunately has now sustained a major injury.
And has another project committed in this class.

After the crap we have shown on offense over the last two years, there isn’t a single portal QB worth his salt, that is going to want to play here.

We’ll be lookin for the next Gram Mertz in portal.
I just don’t see this offense improving anytime soon.

 

[PIPO]

FSU Jville St.

FSU in a dogfight with Jville lol.. 17-14

www.canesinsight.com

I see a few familiar faces in that thread clowning on Norvell who are now sucking his ****. But we gonna act like everyone thought he was some great coach two years ago and just needed time

And yet they recovered to beat us that year and 3 straight overall.

 

[Return of the U]

Ole Miss had no issue getting two to come in. One being a starter at Okie State.

Spencer Sanders wasn't exactly a hot commodity either. He had 40 INTs and 17 Fumbles at OK. ST.
He isn't some mic drop, sure fire stud portal QB. His only other option was a rebuilding Auburn.

Dart had some struggles to close out last season in a Lane Kiffin offense, including a 3 INT performance against a bad pass defense in Texas Tech in the bowl game.

Yes, TVD struggled early with Gattis but he also closed the season much better before getting hurt. Add to that the TVD 6 game stretch in 2021, something Dart hasn't come close to in his career, plus the Bama interest and its pretty clear it isn't an apples to apples comparison.

1. Thinking Gattis was the issue vs. it being TVD wasn't absurd.

2. Jaxson Dart was as bad as TVD or worse, without flashing the upside, in a much more friendly offense. Not hard to see why a QB would want to go to that situation vs. a place with TVD.

 

[Meast21]

Well according to cis we have a QB who's a future hall of famer and thank God he stayed instead of leaving for bama or Notre Dame... Far as the rest of the room, should we have been rashadas cuck? Should we have took him back after he went hook line and sinker all in with turds and **** on us on the way out? Jaccurri isn't ready to be a starter yet at this point. Our offense would look like Paul Thomas old tech offense if we did cause he's VERY inaccurate and you can only scheme around that so much... You say well portal? Okay sure. What portal QB(someone transferring out of where they're already at for a variety of reasons,but mainly over playing time issues)wants to come here to be Tyler's backup? Atleast what legit one that would make y'all happy? I can tell you we had Three VERY good options lined up as portal qbs. But in the end Tyler decided to stay(that flirting with several schools went on for far longer than most seem to realize)& as a result none of them chose to come here. Only one of them even ended up leaving where he was at. Only other high school QB we were serious with ended up at UCLA. So maybe the issue is we should've took another high school QB and that's a fine and fair assessment. Just remember most high school kids that would make y'all happy are all about instant gratification. But we got the golden boy we were locked in with... Anyways, just another viewpoint.

This. Lots to criticize Mario about no half way decent QB was going to transfer here to be a back-up to heisman darkhorse, future NFL, top 10 college QB that Bama wanted named TVD, causes that exactly what TVD was considered going into this year. Crazy or not, its 100% true. So aside from whiffing on money chasing Rashada who played himself and another HS QB, we weren't going to do any better.

 

[Brooklyndee]

Cis didn’t give him a huge Nil deal and have a coach doing everything he can to keep him. Mario must’ve thought he was pretty awesome to get him to stay two years in a row. I mean he could’ve just said bye to him. So the fans “ think he’s a Hof “ why not mock Mario that same way ? He’s the one that chose him as his qb……twice.

I’m seriously asking ? I think that’s fair.

Absolutely. Pretty sure (atleast from my opinion) the issue with Tyler isn't his lack of ability. He has all the ability in the world(whether or not he's ever chosen to refine it). His issue is he's lost his confidence. A QB with no confidence is a never ending **** show. So again atleast my opinion no one is wrong to believe in Tyler's upside and his ability. But when every week the constant *****ing is coaching coaching coaching yet the player himself should never have any accountability, well that's an issue for me.


I'm curious though. What exactly should Mario have done with Tyler? I don't wanna get into too much of this topic on here. But as we know Tyler flirting with other squads wasn't a one time thing. He chose to fight to keep him here. You're absolutely right. Should he have let him walk and then worked the portal for one of three QBs who all had legit concerns about our lack of an OC and more importantly lack of proven offensive talent at skill positions? In my eyes once he chose to fight to keep him ur sortve locked in with him and hope for the best.

 

[ThomasM]

I'm disappointed with the loss, but I am happy to see us improve. This loss felt a LOT like the loss in 99. We took it to them and gave them all they could handle. They know what's coming next year.

 

[Brooklyndee]

I know he flirted with Bama this off-season, what was his plan going into Mario’s first year?

He's flirted with multiple teams, multiple times...

 

[Meast21]

Absolutely. Pretty sure (atleast from my opinion) the issue with Tyler isn't his lack of ability. He has all the ability in the world(whether or not he's ever chosen to refine it). His issue is he's lost his confidence. A QB with no confidence is a never ending **** show. So again atleast my opinion no one is wrong to believe in Tyler's upside and his ability. But when every week the constant *****ing is coaching coaching coaching yet the player himself should never have any accountability, well that's an issue for me.


I'm curious though. What exactly should Mario have done with Tyler? I don't wanna get into too much of this topic on here. But as we know Tyler flirting with other squads wasn't a one time thing. He chose to fight to keep him here. You're absolutely right. Should he have let him walk and then worked the portal for one of three QBs who all had legit concerns about our lack of an OC and more importantly lack of proven offensive talent at skill positions? In my eyes once he chose to fight to keep him ur sortve locked in with him and hope for the best.

CIS would have lost their **** if TVD transfered. Mario and UM NIL woulda been blamed to death. LOL

 

[Problem2]

And yet they recovered to beat us that year and 3 straight overall.

Point still stands, does not not? Everyone wants to act like Norvell is some type of coaching guru now, when he was ****ting the bed his first two years, with no recruiting to show for it.

And then he got one portal class that changed everything.

 

[Meast21]

He's flirted with multiple teams, multiple times...

Can you blame him? Gattis was atrocious, WRs were meh last year, and flirting with other teams creates leverage to negotiate big NIL money. Hate to say it but its the SMART thing to do. Thats CFB these days whether any of us like it or not.

 

[Meast21]

Point still stands, does not not? Everyone wants to act like Norvell is some type of coaching guru now, when he was ****ting the bed his first two years, with no recruiting to show for it.

And then he got one portal class that changed everything.

Portal is bonkers like that. Wonder how Mel Tucker got the $95M contract? Cuz he recruited one backup RB from wake forest who names is Kenneth Walker III that became a TRUE difference maker and dominated teams (including us). Gave them a record win season.

 

[PIPO]

Point still stands, does not not? Everyone wants to act like Norvell is some type of coaching guru now, when he was ****ting the bed his first two years, with no recruiting to show for it.

And then he got one portal class that changed everything.

I think it’s debatable that what Norvell walked into was worse than what Mario walked into meaning that I think Willy Taggart was way worse than anything Manny Diaz did here.

Taggart went two years without recruiting a high school QB, let alone everything else.

 

[Brooklyndee]

CIS would have lost their **** if TVD transfered. Mario and UM NIL woulda been blamed to death. LOL

No way to please these people. ***** just lame.

 

[Return of the U]

That's the hypocrites out in full force. Last season they all said look at usc as proof how you should build a team and u can do it in one year. Now look at them this season but no one has pointed that out. It's simply an ever evolving limbo line around here. The bar changes every week.

The bar should be sustained success. There just aren't a lot of examples.

I will add USC has 4 losses with a very successful offensive coach and an actual heisman winner.

But, people want to harp on some scorned wives tale of our HC holding back Herbert despite going 12-2 and the dude proving he is average in the NFL to date but don't want to acknowledge Riley actually doing less with an actual heisman.

They don't want to accept that maybe Cristobal didn't hold back Herbert.