Some Info for you guys:

[CanesAreAble]

Look, dude...the facts are that it's exceedingly rare for a guy with no losing seasons and no controversies to be fired before year 5.

I agree that Golden should be gone. I don't want him back next year...but the industry standard seems to be 5 years, unless you have a losing season or some controversy. You've shown nothing that disputes that.

You've created an arbitrary standard with narrow parameters.

I could just as easily say how many coaches at major programs got a fifth season despite no 10-win seasons, no bowl wins, no conference titles and no division titles with well over a dozen NFL draftees on his teams? His "best" win is against 9-3 Duke.

Five years is not a standard. Four years is plenty of time for a good coach to turn over the roster and exhibit signs that the program is headed in the right direction.

We are not #TrendingUp.

 

[SFbayCane]

1) Al golden will have a losing record after our bowl game.

2) UM has a tradition and a local market that will make it a 6-7 win program by default. Even in our worst probation years we went 5-7. With a full complement of scholarships, UM is a 6 to 7 win program, annually, without regard to who the head coach is.

 

[Billy D Williams]

Died before her time. That's pretty young for a hobbit.

That's cold but funny. I knew there was little to no support for Al! Bite the bullet fire him and make it up in increased revenue when Butch or Schiano start kicking *** again and filling the ? name stadium.

 

[DiegoCane]

CaneInHeelCountry was one of the biggest Golden supporters until recently. It should come as no surprise that he is defending Golden.

 

[The Franchise]

Look, dude...the facts are that it's exceedingly rare for a guy with no losing seasons and no controversies to be fired before year 5.

I agree that Golden should be gone. I don't want him back next year...but the industry standard seems to be 5 years, unless you have a losing season or some controversy. You've shown nothing that disputes that.

You've created an arbitrary standard with narrow parameters.

I could just as easily say how many coaches at major programs got a fifth season despite no 10-win seasons, no bowl wins, no conference titles and no division titles with well over a dozen NFL draftees on his teams? His "best" win is against 9-3 Duke.

Five years is not a standard. Four years is plenty of time for a good coach to turn over the roster and exhibit signs that the program is headed in the right direction.

We are not #TrendingUp.

He created that nonsensical standard because he immediately thought of Muscrap and how ufayg just greased him. So he stuck in the losing season standard because he knew Muscrap had one and his hero hasn't had one yet.

 

[SFbayCane]

'Chise,
You'll notice that Muschamp has already been offered another job: The Auburn D Coordinator job for 2015. That's the market place telling someone what they are worth. What are the odds that golden gets another offer within a week of being terminated by UM??

 

[We the Boss]

'Chise,
You'll notice that Muschamp has already been offered another job: The Auburn D Coordinator job for 2015. That's the market place telling someone what they are worth. What are the odds that golden gets another offer within a week of being terminated by UM??

Director of sales Carmax?

 

[DiegoCane]

'Chise,
You'll notice that Muschamp has already been offered another job: The Auburn D Coordinator job for 2015. That's the market place telling someone what they are worth. What are the odds that golden gets another offer within a week of being terminated by UM??

Thats why I laugh when people suggest Randy Shannon should be brought back as DC or is a great DC.

Golden may be able to get a MAC type job, at best, down the road.

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

Look, dude...the facts are that it's exceedingly rare for a guy with no losing seasons and no controversies to be fired before year 5.

I agree that Golden should be gone. I don't want him back next year...but the industry standard seems to be 5 years, unless you have a losing season or some controversy. You've shown nothing that disputes that.

You've created an arbitrary standard with narrow parameters.

I could just as easily say how many coaches at major programs got a fifth season despite no 10-win seasons, no bowl wins, no conference titles and no division titles with well over a dozen NFL draftees on his teams? His "best" win is against 9-3 Duke.

Five years is not a standard. Four years is plenty of time for a good coach to turn over the roster and exhibit signs that the program is headed in the right direction.

We are not #TrendingUp.

I haven't created the standard. I've simply looked at the list of coaches who have been fired over the last decade or so and noticed common themes.

I've already provided several instances of coaches who've gotten more than 5 seasons without a 10-win season.

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

CaneInHeelCountry was one of the biggest Golden supporters until recently. It should come as no surprise that he is defending Golden.

Not true, but when has the truth ever mattered here?

Can't have a legit discussion on this board.

 

[Cribby]

Wacky Wills used auto emporium would grab Al up within minutes .

 

[CanesAreAble]

Look, dude...the facts are that it's exceedingly rare for a guy with no losing seasons and no controversies to be fired before year 5.

I agree that Golden should be gone. I don't want him back next year...but the industry standard seems to be 5 years, unless you have a losing season or some controversy. You've shown nothing that disputes that.

You've created an arbitrary standard with narrow parameters.

I could just as easily say how many coaches at major programs got a fifth season despite no 10-win seasons, no bowl wins, no conference titles and no division titles with well over a dozen NFL draftees on his teams? His "best" win is against 9-3 Duke.

Five years is not a standard. Four years is plenty of time for a good coach to turn over the roster and exhibit signs that the program is headed in the right direction.

We are not #TrendingUp.

I haven't created the standard. I've simply looked at the list of coaches who have been fired over the last decade or so and noticed common themes.

I've already provided several instances of coaches who've gotten more than 5 seasons without a 10-win season.

DiNardo, Weis, Goff, and Donnan all had 10-win seasons.

Davie didn't, but got Notre Dame to a BCS bowl game with 9 wins (would've won 10 with an additional cupcake, but that was back when the 11-game schedule was standard).

Nutt and Bowden didn't win 10, but they both won bowl games (Nutt played for a couple SEC titles), and I'd hardly call those schools "major" programs at the time. They had both been dormant for a long time.

 

[gcane44]

If Kelly is unhappy I would imagine that he'll be taking the next available gig out of town.
Doesn't really surprise me if true either, Miami is a weird animal and I know a few people that have moved to the area and cannot wait to leave.

IMO Miami personifies the "nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there" adage.

frankly i don't care whether they are happy or not at this point but your post is nonsense. better they should live in Jonesboro Arkansas or some Podunk town in the middle of nowhere.

What about Miami not appealing to everyone is "nonsense"?
****, years ago one of the reasons cited for Saban leaving the Phins was his wife "hated" Miami.

the part about Miami personifying the nice place to visit but wouldn't want to live there. that's nonsense especially if you're husband earns a few million a year and you live in coral gables which happens to be a beautiful place to live.

Not once you factor in the people. Venture out to other metro areas around the country and you'll see Miami has serious issues.

You do get why making a broad brush statement devaluing the people, as a whole, of an entire city might bother people of that city and people that enjoy living in that city and take pride in that city, right?

As my boy Ralph Waldo Emerson once said: "People do not seem to realize that their opinion of the world is also a confession of character."

 

[Consigliere]

Houston won the conference division title in his first year. And a bowl game in his second. Al has an inferior record. Won 9 games his first season at Ole Miss.

Ray Geoff (never heard of him) won 9 games in his third year and 10 in his 4th. Won 2 bowl games and a conference division title. Al is inferior.

Jim Donnan won 3 bowl games in his first 4 at UGA and a 10 win season. Again Al is inferior.

Tommy Bowden finally someone Golden may have a similar record to except that Bowden won a bowl game in year 3. He also had more wins than Al. Also won 6 games in the ACC in year 2.

Jerry Dinardo won 3 bowl games in his first 4 years. Also won 10 games in year 2 and 2 conference division titles in his first 3. Al is inferior again.

Bob Davie had 2 9 win seasons including 9 wins in his 2nd and 4th year. Bob had more wins over his first 4 years at ND as well.

Charlie Weiss won 9 and 10 games in his first two seasons. Also played in 2 BCS games. He also had more wins than Al.

You are noticing a trend. All of these coaches won more games than Al over their first four years. All of them achieved more as well. Al has done nothing of significance at UM. It's year 4 and his best team and we have the same record as year 1. On the verge of a losing season.

You will also notice that all of these coaches moved on a long time ago. 5 years today with Al's track record at a good school is unheard of and not expected.

28-21, 16-16, zero conf division titles and 0-4 against FSU. There is no evidence to give a 5th year.

Look, dude...the facts are that it's exceedingly rare for a guy with no losing seasons and no controversies to be fired before year 5.

I agree that Golden should be gone. I don't want him back next year...but the industry standard seems to be 5 years, unless you have a losing season or some controversy. You've shown nothing that disputes that.

I said Penn State.

He may lose the bowl game too and that would be a losing season.

Coaches don't get 5 years today with Al's lack of success.

Penn state isn't a "controversy". It might make you PO'd and might have rubbed a few boosters the wrong way, but it's not a mark against Golden on a national stage--he didn't bring negative attention to UM, which is what real controversies do.

I hope we lose whatever bowl we're at and Al ends with a losing season; then I think it's a good possibility he'll get the ax. We win and I think he's here for another year.

You make the incredibly dumb standard and the rules. All those coaches achieved more, end of story. There is no reason to keep Golden and no major program would either. Good luck with everything.

 

[Cribby]

Al makes ray goff look like Lombardi

 

[Ibis Wingz]

Al makes Richie Kotite look like Lombardi.

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

Look, dude...the facts are that it's exceedingly rare for a guy with no losing seasons and no controversies to be fired before year 5.

I agree that Golden should be gone. I don't want him back next year...but the industry standard seems to be 5 years, unless you have a losing season or some controversy. You've shown nothing that disputes that.

You've created an arbitrary standard with narrow parameters.

I could just as easily say how many coaches at major programs got a fifth season despite no 10-win seasons, no bowl wins, no conference titles and no division titles with well over a dozen NFL draftees on his teams? His "best" win is against 9-3 Duke.

Five years is not a standard. Four years is plenty of time for a good coach to turn over the roster and exhibit signs that the program is headed in the right direction.

We are not #TrendingUp.

I haven't created the standard. I've simply looked at the list of coaches who have been fired over the last decade or so and noticed common themes.

I've already provided several instances of coaches who've gotten more than 5 seasons without a 10-win season.

DiNardo, Weis, Goff, and Donnan all had 10-win seasons.

Davie didn't, but got Notre Dame to a BCS bowl game with 9 wins (would've won 10 with an additional cupcake, but that was back when the 11-game schedule was standard).

Nutt and Bowden didn't win 10, but they both won bowl games (Nutt played for a couple SEC titles), and I'd hardly call those schools "major" programs at the time. They had both been dormant for a long time.

If you want to bring up that crap, then we could say that Golden won the Coastal and would have gone to the ACC gamp game if not for our NCAA troubles.

Look, the fact still remains that it's exceedingly rare for a coach not to get 5 years if he's had no losing seasons and no controversy.

 

[DC Dog Nuts]

Look, dude...the facts are that it's exceedingly rare for a guy with no losing seasons and no controversies to be fired before year 5.

I agree that Golden should be gone. I don't want him back next year...but the industry standard seems to be 5 years, unless you have a losing season or some controversy. You've shown nothing that disputes that.

You've created an arbitrary standard with narrow parameters.

I could just as easily say how many coaches at major programs got a fifth season despite no 10-win seasons, no bowl wins, no conference titles and no division titles with well over a dozen NFL draftees on his teams? His "best" win is against 9-3 Duke.

Five years is not a standard. Four years is plenty of time for a good coach to turn over the roster and exhibit signs that the program is headed in the right direction.

We are not #TrendingUp.

I haven't created the standard. I've simply looked at the list of coaches who have been fired over the last decade or so and noticed common themes.

I've already provided several instances of coaches who've gotten more than 5 seasons without a 10-win season.

DiNardo, Weis, Goff, and Donnan all had 10-win seasons.

Davie didn't, but got Notre Dame to a BCS bowl game with 9 wins (would've won 10 with an additional cupcake, but that was back when the 11-game schedule was standard).

Nutt and Bowden didn't win 10, but they both won bowl games (Nutt played for a couple SEC titles), and I'd hardly call those schools "major" programs at the time. They had both been dormant for a long time.

If you want to bring up that crap, then we could say that Golden won the Coastal and would have gone to the ACC gamp game if not for our NCAA troubles.

Look, the fact still remains that it's exceedingly rare for a coach not to get 5 years if he's had no losing seasons and no controversy.

Miami would have gone by default, not because they earned it.

 

[The Franchise]

This CaneInAlsAssh0le dude thinks that if he keeps repeating that it's exceedingly rare to fire a guy before he corches 5 years that it will become fact.

No incompetent buffoon gets 5 years these days at major programs. There's too much on the line these days to allow a buffoon to destroy a program for 5 years hoping he'll suddenly and magically get it. You know very quickly if a HC has what it takes or not to run a major marquee program.

 

[CanesAreAble]

If you want to bring up that crap, then we could say that Golden won the Coastal and would have gone to the ACC gamp game if not for our NCAA troubles.

Look, the fact still remains that it's exceedingly rare for a coach not to get 5 years if he's had no losing seasons and no controversy.

North Carolina won the Coastal in 2012, but they were on probation.

The fact still remains it's exceedingly rare for a coach at a major program to have a résumé as bad as Golden's and get a fifth season.