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[CaneInHeelCountry]

Original quote: Name me a coach that was fired before year 5 without a losing season or major controversy.

Lane Kiffin. He was fired because he sucked and USC has/had real SANCTIONS (REAL UNLIKE OURS).

Will Muschamp actually had success (11 wins and Sugar Bowl), but he was fired.

Al Golden has had NO success. He doesn't deserve a fifth year. Coaches at real programs get fired and are not given 5 years especially when in year 4 you have the same record as year 1. How about the Penn State Controversy?

Will Muschamp also had a losing season...which was the whole ****ing point.

What about the "PSU controversy?" That was only controversy to fans...no media ****storm, unlike Kiffin at USC or any other major controversy.

Golden hasn't had a losing season--although it sure as **** feels like he has.

Muschamp did more then Golden. Call me when Al wins 11 games or goes to a BCS bowl.

Nobody gets 5 years at good programs with the track record Al has had. You made this up, we wait for all these coaches.

Michigan, USC and UF all cut ties without a fifth year. You're wrong. There is no good program that would tolerate this performance. Even RS was shown the door after 4 years with the almost identical record overall and a better record in year 4. Golden has done nothing. Deserves nothing either.

Dude, you're making my case for me.

Muschamp--losing season.
Kiffin-controvery (Pat Haden hated him for his constant shenanigans)
RichRod at Michigan - losing season
Hoke at Michigan - Losing season AND controversy


I'm not happy about it, but Golden has been a good "face" for the university, has stayed out of the headlines and away from controversy...and he hasn't had a losing season. It's standard for guys like him to get 5 years.

You have no case. Nobody at a good progran gets 5 years with no success. Who gets 5 years?

We wait for proof of any coach at a good program gettting 5 years with Al's track record?

Houston Nutt went 9 years at Arkansas without winning more than 9 games in a season.
Ray Goff-6 years at UGA; Jim Donnan 5 years there, even though he had a slightly better record (no losing seasons).
Tommy Bowden - 10 years at Clemson with no double-digit win seasons, including 4 seasons with 7 or fewer wins.
Gerry DiNardo-5 years at LSU, including 2 losing seasons and one 7-win season.
Bob Davie and Charlie Weiss both got 5 years at ND, despite only one double-digit win season between them.

 

[ramcanes]

Any one else heart broken that Kelly Golden dislikes Miami? I'm all busted up about that.

When she first got here she loved Miami, now that the heat is on because her husband sucks as a coach she wants out.

This is unbearable for a family. She has kids. Of course, she will want to get her family away from such negativity. Yes, she loved Miami but not under these conditions for her family. THis takes a toll on a marriage Kirk "Herbie" Herbstriet loved Ohio and he had to leave Ohio because it was very unbearable for his family. Constant harassment and threats for any critic of Ohio State or not showing bias support for Ohio State.

 

[4Canes]

If Kelly is unhappy I would imagine that he'll be taking the next available gig out of town.
Doesn't really surprise me if true either, Miami is a weird animal and I know a few people that have moved to the area and cannot wait to leave.

IMO Miami personifies the "nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there" adage.

frankly i don't care whether they are happy or not at this point but your post is nonsense. better they should live in Jonesboro Arkansas or some Podunk town in the middle of nowhere.

What about Miami not appealing to everyone is "nonsense"?
****, years ago one of the reasons cited for Saban leaving the Phins was his wife "hated" Miami.

the part about Miami personifying the nice place to visit but wouldn't want to live there. that's nonsense especially if you're husband earns a few million a year and you live in coral gables which happens to be a beautiful place to live.

Not once you factor in the people. Venture out to other metro areas around the country and you'll see Miami has serious issues.

 

[Jedi Master Cane]

His wife has hated it down here for a while....even before the cries for her husband's job reached deafening levels.

 

[nycane]

she is from the middle of pennsylvania

 

[MIA42178]

I think if I leave my fandom for my school I won't return. If this admin doesn't fire Golden they are telling all of us we don't matter.
I could not care less who they hire after this.
DONE

 

[The Franchise]

If Kelly hates it here, then make sure to call her a **** the next time you see her out. And tell her that get husband is killing UM.

By any means necessary. Guerrilla warfare is what UM and Folden are forcing us into by refusing to do the right thing.

 

[Consigliere]

Houston won the conference division title in his first year. And a bowl game in his second. Al has an inferior record. Won 9 games his first season at Ole Miss.

Ray Geoff (never heard of him) won 9 games in his third year and 10 in his 4th. Won 2 bowl games and a conference division title. Al is inferior.

Jim Donnan won 3 bowl games in his first 4 at UGA and a 10 win season. Again Al is inferior.

Tommy Bowden finally someone Golden may have a similar record to except that Bowden won a bowl game in year 3. He also had more wins than Al. Also won 6 games in the ACC in year 2.

Jerry Dinardo won 3 bowl games in his first 4 years. Also won 10 games in year 2 and 2 conference division titles in his first 3. Al is inferior again.

Bob Davie had 2 9 win seasons including 9 wins in his 2nd and 4th year. Bob had more wins over his first 4 years at ND as well.

Charlie Weiss won 9 and 10 games in his first two seasons. Also played in 2 BCS games. He also had more wins than Al.

You are noticing a trend. All of these coaches won more games than Al over their first four years. All of them achieved more as well. Al has done nothing of significance at UM. It's year 4 and his best team and we have the same record as year 1. On the verge of a losing season.

You will also notice that all of these coaches moved on a long time ago. 5 years today with Al's track record at a good school is unheard of and not expected.

28-21, 16-16, zero conf division titles and 0-4 against FSU. There is no evidence to give a 5th year.

 

[SFbayCane]

Consigliere,
Those were all schools that cared about winning. UM's board of trustees does not. Golden is not on the hot seat because of his record, he's there because of the discontent within the UM community. THAT is why the pressure must continue to be applied IMO.

 

[Jedi Master Cane]

The more I think about the more insulting it is to the hardcore fanbase that this clown still has a job...

This may end up killing the program. If what's left the fanbase just gets flat out apathetic.....there will be nothing left.

And man am I getting close to that point. The only thing that is keeping me coming to this site every day at this point is the hope he'll be fired soon. If this month goes by and nothing happens before NSD I'm probably going to take a break from college football for a while.

 

[Consigliere]

Consigliere,
Those were all schools that cared about winning. UM's board of trustees does not. Golden is not on the hot seat because of his record, he's there because of the discontent within the UM community. THAT is why the pressure must continue to be applied IMO.

Those guys all had more success (wins) too. They also are all dinosaurs and times are different. Then it was considered success to win a bowl game, things are different now.

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

Houston won the conference division title in his first year. And a bowl game in his second. Al has an inferior record. Won 9 games his first season at Ole Miss.

Ray Geoff (never heard of him) won 9 games in his third year and 10 in his 4th. Won 2 bowl games and a conference division title. Al is inferior.

Jim Donnan won 3 bowl games in his first 4 at UGA and a 10 win season. Again Al is inferior.

Tommy Bowden finally someone Golden may have a similar record to except that Bowden won a bowl game in year 3. He also had more wins than Al. Also won 6 games in the ACC in year 2.

Jerry Dinardo won 3 bowl games in his first 4 years. Also won 10 games in year 2 and 2 conference division titles in his first 3. Al is inferior again.

Bob Davie had 2 9 win seasons including 9 wins in his 2nd and 4th year. Bob had more wins over his first 4 years at ND as well.

Charlie Weiss won 9 and 10 games in his first two seasons. Also played in 2 BCS games. He also had more wins than Al.

You are noticing a trend. All of these coaches won more games than Al over their first four years. All of them achieved more as well. Al has done nothing of significance at UM. It's year 4 and his best team and we have the same record as year 1. On the verge of a losing season.

You will also notice that all of these coaches moved on a long time ago. 5 years today with Al's track record at a good school is unheard of and not expected.

28-21, 16-16, zero conf division titles and 0-4 against FSU. There is no evidence to give a 5th year.

Look, dude...the facts are that it's exceedingly rare for a guy with no losing seasons and no controversies to be fired before year 5.

I agree that Golden should be gone. I don't want him back next year...but the industry standard seems to be 5 years, unless you have a losing season or some controversy. You've shown nothing that disputes that.

 

[puertorricane]

Golden is not quitting so we are stuck with him for another year. And miami is a great place to live especially if you got money. So I dont know what that bi-tch is crying about.

 

[Jedi Master Cane]

Houston won the conference division title in his first year. And a bowl game in his second. Al has an inferior record. Won 9 games his first season at Ole Miss.

Ray Geoff (never heard of him) won 9 games in his third year and 10 in his 4th. Won 2 bowl games and a conference division title. Al is inferior.

Jim Donnan won 3 bowl games in his first 4 at UGA and a 10 win season. Again Al is inferior.

Tommy Bowden finally someone Golden may have a similar record to except that Bowden won a bowl game in year 3. He also had more wins than Al. Also won 6 games in the ACC in year 2.

Jerry Dinardo won 3 bowl games in his first 4 years. Also won 10 games in year 2 and 2 conference division titles in his first 3. Al is inferior again.

Bob Davie had 2 9 win seasons including 9 wins in his 2nd and 4th year. Bob had more wins over his first 4 years at ND as well.

Charlie Weiss won 9 and 10 games in his first two seasons. Also played in 2 BCS games. He also had more wins than Al.

You are noticing a trend. All of these coaches won more games than Al over their first four years. All of them achieved more as well. Al has done nothing of significance at UM. It's year 4 and his best team and we have the same record as year 1. On the verge of a losing season.

You will also notice that all of these coaches moved on a long time ago. 5 years today with Al's track record at a good school is unheard of and not expected.

28-21, 16-16, zero conf division titles and 0-4 against FSU. There is no evidence to give a 5th year.

Look, dude...the facts are that it's exceedingly rare for a guy with no losing seasons and no controversies to be fired before year 5.

I agree that Golden should be gone. I don't want him back next year...but the industry standard seems to be 5 years, unless you have a losing season or some controversy. You've shown nothing that disputes that.

Newsflash...we lose the bowl game and he's got the aforementioned losing season.

Let's go whoever-the-****-we're-playing-in-whatever-******-***-bowl-game

 

[Ibis Wingz]

Houston won the conference division title in his first year. And a bowl game in his second. Al has an inferior record. Won 9 games his first season at Ole Miss.

Ray Geoff (never heard of him) won 9 games in his third year and 10 in his 4th. Won 2 bowl games and a conference division title. Al is inferior.

Jim Donnan won 3 bowl games in his first 4 at UGA and a 10 win season. Again Al is inferior.

Tommy Bowden finally someone Golden may have a similar record to except that Bowden won a bowl game in year 3. He also had more wins than Al. Also won 6 games in the ACC in year 2.

Jerry Dinardo won 3 bowl games in his first 4 years. Also won 10 games in year 2 and 2 conference division titles in his first 3. Al is inferior again.

Bob Davie had 2 9 win seasons including 9 wins in his 2nd and 4th year. Bob had more wins over his first 4 years at ND as well.

Charlie Weiss won 9 and 10 games in his first two seasons. Also played in 2 BCS games. He also had more wins than Al.

You are noticing a trend. All of these coaches won more games than Al over their first four years. All of them achieved more as well. Al has done nothing of significance at UM. It's year 4 and his best team and we have the same record as year 1. On the verge of a losing season.

You will also notice that all of these coaches moved on a long time ago. 5 years today with Al's track record at a good school is unheard of and not expected.

28-21, 16-16, zero conf division titles and 0-4 against FSU. There is no evidence to give a 5th year.

Look, dude...the facts are that it's exceedingly rare for a guy with no losing seasons and no controversies to be fired before year 5.

I agree that Golden should be gone. I don't want him back next year...but the industry standard seems to be 5 years, unless you have a losing season or some controversy. You've shown nothing that disputes that.

Would dipping out for a week while trying to slink out of town to Ped State qualify as a controversy?

I can tell you that it ****ed off some big time boosters.

 

[Consigliere]

Houston won the conference division title in his first year. And a bowl game in his second. Al has an inferior record. Won 9 games his first season at Ole Miss.

Ray Geoff (never heard of him) won 9 games in his third year and 10 in his 4th. Won 2 bowl games and a conference division title. Al is inferior.

Jim Donnan won 3 bowl games in his first 4 at UGA and a 10 win season. Again Al is inferior.

Tommy Bowden finally someone Golden may have a similar record to except that Bowden won a bowl game in year 3. He also had more wins than Al. Also won 6 games in the ACC in year 2.

Jerry Dinardo won 3 bowl games in his first 4 years. Also won 10 games in year 2 and 2 conference division titles in his first 3. Al is inferior again.

Bob Davie had 2 9 win seasons including 9 wins in his 2nd and 4th year. Bob had more wins over his first 4 years at ND as well.

Charlie Weiss won 9 and 10 games in his first two seasons. Also played in 2 BCS games. He also had more wins than Al.

You are noticing a trend. All of these coaches won more games than Al over their first four years. All of them achieved more as well. Al has done nothing of significance at UM. It's year 4 and his best team and we have the same record as year 1. On the verge of a losing season.

You will also notice that all of these coaches moved on a long time ago. 5 years today with Al's track record at a good school is unheard of and not expected.

28-21, 16-16, zero conf division titles and 0-4 against FSU. There is no evidence to give a 5th year.

Look, dude...the facts are that it's exceedingly rare for a guy with no losing seasons and no controversies to be fired before year 5.

I agree that Golden should be gone. I don't want him back next year...but the industry standard seems to be 5 years, unless you have a losing season or some controversy. You've shown nothing that disputes that.

I said Penn State.

He may lose the bowl game too and that would be a losing season.

Coaches don't get 5 years today with Al's lack of success.

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

Houston won the conference division title in his first year. And a bowl game in his second. Al has an inferior record. Won 9 games his first season at Ole Miss.

Ray Geoff (never heard of him) won 9 games in his third year and 10 in his 4th. Won 2 bowl games and a conference division title. Al is inferior.

Jim Donnan won 3 bowl games in his first 4 at UGA and a 10 win season. Again Al is inferior.

Tommy Bowden finally someone Golden may have a similar record to except that Bowden won a bowl game in year 3. He also had more wins than Al. Also won 6 games in the ACC in year 2.

Jerry Dinardo won 3 bowl games in his first 4 years. Also won 10 games in year 2 and 2 conference division titles in his first 3. Al is inferior again.

Bob Davie had 2 9 win seasons including 9 wins in his 2nd and 4th year. Bob had more wins over his first 4 years at ND as well.

Charlie Weiss won 9 and 10 games in his first two seasons. Also played in 2 BCS games. He also had more wins than Al.

You are noticing a trend. All of these coaches won more games than Al over their first four years. All of them achieved more as well. Al has done nothing of significance at UM. It's year 4 and his best team and we have the same record as year 1. On the verge of a losing season.

You will also notice that all of these coaches moved on a long time ago. 5 years today with Al's track record at a good school is unheard of and not expected.

28-21, 16-16, zero conf division titles and 0-4 against FSU. There is no evidence to give a 5th year.

Look, dude...the facts are that it's exceedingly rare for a guy with no losing seasons and no controversies to be fired before year 5.

I agree that Golden should be gone. I don't want him back next year...but the industry standard seems to be 5 years, unless you have a losing season or some controversy. You've shown nothing that disputes that.

Would dipping out for a week while trying to slink out of town to Ped State qualify as a controversy?

I can tell you that it ****ed off some big time boosters.

POing some boosters is not the same as bringing negative national media attention (not related to on-the-field performance) to the university.

For example, Hoke caused controversy when he sent a QB who had just suffered a concussion back onto the field...national media came down on him, students, fans, and the BOT at Michigan were all PO'd at the fact that he disregarded the health of the player. That added fuel to the fire of dissatisfaction because of poor play on the field...

Kiffin had a number of little stupid controversies while at USC...check out this article. Those added up, on top of Pat Haden's distaste of the guy, and spelled doom for Kiffin when his teams performed mediocre.

In contrast, the media love Golden, he's brought no negative attention to UM, etc.

 

[itsacanething]

If Kelly is unhappy I would imagine that he'll be taking the next available gig out of town.
Doesn't really surprise me if true either, Miami is a weird animal and I know a few people that have moved to the area and cannot wait to leave.

IMO Miami personifies the "nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there" adage.

frankly i don't care whether they are happy or not at this point but your post is nonsense. better they should live in Jonesboro Arkansas or some Podunk town in the middle of nowhere.

What about Miami not appealing to everyone is "nonsense"?
****, years ago one of the reasons cited for Saban leaving the Phins was his wife "hated" Miami.

the part about Miami personifying the nice place to visit but wouldn't want to live there. that's nonsense especially if you're husband earns a few million a year and you live in coral gables which happens to be a beautiful place to live.

Not once you factor in the people. Venture out to other metro areas around the country and you'll see Miami has serious issues.

clearly Miami has a few issues as do many other places. I am from the northeast and have "ventured" to other parts of the country quite frequently, thank you. I never said Miami was the best place or the only place to live. I just don't see its problems being a factor in this situation one way or the other.

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

Houston won the conference division title in his first year. And a bowl game in his second. Al has an inferior record. Won 9 games his first season at Ole Miss.

Ray Geoff (never heard of him) won 9 games in his third year and 10 in his 4th. Won 2 bowl games and a conference division title. Al is inferior.

Jim Donnan won 3 bowl games in his first 4 at UGA and a 10 win season. Again Al is inferior.

Tommy Bowden finally someone Golden may have a similar record to except that Bowden won a bowl game in year 3. He also had more wins than Al. Also won 6 games in the ACC in year 2.

Jerry Dinardo won 3 bowl games in his first 4 years. Also won 10 games in year 2 and 2 conference division titles in his first 3. Al is inferior again.

Bob Davie had 2 9 win seasons including 9 wins in his 2nd and 4th year. Bob had more wins over his first 4 years at ND as well.

Charlie Weiss won 9 and 10 games in his first two seasons. Also played in 2 BCS games. He also had more wins than Al.

You are noticing a trend. All of these coaches won more games than Al over their first four years. All of them achieved more as well. Al has done nothing of significance at UM. It's year 4 and his best team and we have the same record as year 1. On the verge of a losing season.

You will also notice that all of these coaches moved on a long time ago. 5 years today with Al's track record at a good school is unheard of and not expected.

28-21, 16-16, zero conf division titles and 0-4 against FSU. There is no evidence to give a 5th year.

Look, dude...the facts are that it's exceedingly rare for a guy with no losing seasons and no controversies to be fired before year 5.

I agree that Golden should be gone. I don't want him back next year...but the industry standard seems to be 5 years, unless you have a losing season or some controversy. You've shown nothing that disputes that.

I said Penn State.

He may lose the bowl game too and that would be a losing season.

Coaches don't get 5 years today with Al's lack of success.

Penn state isn't a "controversy". It might make you PO'd and might have rubbed a few boosters the wrong way, but it's not a mark against Golden on a national stage--he didn't bring negative attention to UM, which is what real controversies do.

I hope we lose whatever bowl we're at and Al ends with a losing season; then I think it's a good possibility he'll get the ax. We win and I think he's here for another year.

 

[nycane]

golden is a mid major coach at best. there is nothing wrong with that. the fault is on the admin for thinking he can grow into the coach of the U