Soccer stadium

[BigCaneAl]

You don't get it Canes recruits love playing in a NFL stadium where Super Bowls are played. Recruits want bigger crowds not a stadium with pictures of guys in their underwear painted on the walls of the stadium that plays kick ball. What football player wants to be on a soccer stadium field now that is embarrassing. Chris Fowler would makes fun of the soccer field on national tv almost any chance he gets. Yes, fans care about comfy seats and a jumbo-tron. Canes fans also want the conveniences of driving their car to a game instead of paying $50 to park then hiking a half a mile over a busy bridge to a cheap aluminum erector set stadium that would be the worst stadium in the ACC. I would be all for UM to build their own stadium but I hate the idea of sharing a fields that a soccer team owns that would desecrate our football program with that pathetic game of soccer.

Please tell me you are a child, because you certainly come across as one. LMAO that your making a big deal about sharing a field with a professional soccer team. Soccer has come a long way in this country, maybe not on the field, but the fanbase of the sport in general is huge right now. I used to have a similiar attitude as yours, but I've grown up.

There is a limited amount of sports dollars that UM is competing with to buy tickets in a already crowded pack of sports competitors in the Dolphins, Heat, NHL Panthers, Marlins, PGA, ATP Tennis, FIU and FAU. Anything that UM does to support the MLS will only hurt UM financially.

So, knowing this, the answer is to play games in a Stadium too big for our fickle fan base, leaving the stadium half empty for many games, and have it used against by recruits, other schools and local coaches looking for something to ***** about rather than explore options for a stadium that may be better fit for Miami Hurricane Football?

The answer is make the most money from all football ticket & parking pass sales as you can so you can spend it on building better football team. Miami has a 13% increase in football ticket sales last year that averaged over 53K per game in 2013. You can't sell more tickets than you got seats at a game. Even if we were in that 40K MLS stadium there would still be a lot of no shows since there is no parking and easy access to Dodge Island. The noles and gates will always using negative recruiting on Miami and our only come back is to build a better team and that takes money. Beckham's stadium would destroy UM's Athletic program since there is no way to make money without parking, 60K seats and a stadium that fans can afford to attend games. Beckham's stadium offers none of that.

If Miami did ever get rolling again there is no way the Canes Athletic program could make money in Beckham's stadium and we can't sustain success without the money to support the Athletic program. If more Canes fans would buy tickets to Sun Life there wouldn't be an issue with empty seats and playing is a tiny 40K stadium with no parking revenue and limited road access is a going out of business plan not a solution for UM.

Not sure why you are so hung up on Parking.....seriously.

 

[ramcanes]

How could it be better venue than Sun Life? I dream it will be a cheap aluminum erector set stadium that is designed for soccer not football and is far too small for UM. I see no tailgating areas and a major lack of parking even if the Heat aren't playing. MLS plays on Saturday nights and I see major conflicts on our schedule. This won't be UM's stadium we would be leasing it for more money than we pay now for a much lesser facility. Great it may have a better scenic view but I could care less about the view. The sidelines distances will be about the same as they are at Sun Life. There won't be two big Jumbo Trons. There will be no income from parking and just a tiny fraction of the club seats and luxury boxes we have now that provides major income for UM.

Beckham is just using UM to try to get the Downtown site since that is bigger since the city is trying to force him onto the Marlin Park site that too small for a 40K stadium. Don't get your hope up since the day Beckham gets that downtown lot he will do everything he can to ditch UM to build a stadium that fits his needs not UM's. After all it is Beckham's money and he doesn't care about the U that is a direct competitor for sports $$$ with overlapping seasons that both play on Saturdays.

The city is NOT trying to force Beckham into Marlins Stadium site. The city is NOT the lead on this deal, it's the County Mayor . The Marlin site is within the City of Miami. Have you heard the Mayor of Miami say a beep about this? Why not? Because, he is not forcing anyone to do anything with that site. There's no interest by Beckham nor the county on Marlin's site. As far as Beckham using UM to get Downtown site is laughable I know for a fact is not true. The County Mayor and Beckham have developed a very good relationship. The opportunity came knocking at UM's door This is a private investment. Beckham's needs has much revenue stream to justify an investment and make a profit, this is just basic business sense

For the county and Beckham's group, it's the port site. Principally for Beckham, its the urban setting and prime location. The county needs development in that area one way or another to generate revenue for its port debt. That location as been sitting idle for years!! Do you know of anyone rushing to pour development dollars into the location now? Nope.

If you think Beckham, and principally Simon Fuller, are going to attach themselves to a "cheap aluminum erector stadium" you're clueless. This will be a very nice stadium. I've seen the renderings. The kind of stadium that will attract good European soccer teams to play at the stadium against South/Central American teams, games which will be sold out, just like SLS, when it has held its soccer event. Do you really think that Beckham and Fuller are thinking only local? What do you think the crowd will be when "friendlies" with Real Madrid, Manchester United or any other team from South/Central American are arranged. Yep, sold out events. Beckham's name has that power, Fuller's business sense makes it viable.

I don't see how you can have "major" schedule conflicts on SIX games a year. THis is not baseball. The schedule can be worked around.The Heat normally don't play at noon or 3:30 on Saturdays. And if, they're playing at home that date So, leave the dramatics aside. I don't know about you but I rather have the loud/high decibels of fans from a packed stadium, than blasting music from a jumbo tron in between plays.

This will come to numbers/dollars, and smaller variables. The rest of your negativity can be overcomed or accommodated.

According to this article last week "“The city showed David land near Marlins Park,” the source added, “and that location is getting a new life.”


Keep dreaming that Beckham will raise extra money to build UM a stadium for 40K out of his budget. UM has said they aren't going to finance a stadium. I pulled this picture from Google Earth of the SW corner of Dodge Island where Beckham wants to build a stadium. It's a terrible place for UM to have our stadium. The only way to access Port of Miami is by Port Boulevard via NE Sixth Street which also happens to be the busiest spot in the entire city. There is no parking for 20K much less 40K and have people walk across that bridge.

Read this article that is just talking about a 25K soccer stadium not the extra traffic from a 40K or larger football stadium.

PortMiami Is a Terrible Location for David Beckham's Stadium, and Here's Why

And they have seen other sites also. It is a political gesture. The first and foremost area is the port. Again, Beckham is NOT only thinking of UM for capacity only but other events to increase revenue. Use some common sense. As for traffic, it's Saturday, no work week traffic. Furthermore, the Port of Miami tunnel takes you straight into the port avoiding city traffic Additionally, you have Metrorail/Metromover route that leaves you right in the area or take a trolley ride. The whole Downtown area has plenty of parking on a Saturday with immediate access to Metromover. This urban setting stadium is perfect for the university

David Beckham is just a underwear model and I don't even consider soccer a man's sport. Beckham isn't smart enough to see anything or he wouldn't be putting another MLS team in Miami after the Fusion failed.

If you claim their is no traffic in the Port of Miami on Saturday just head down about 10AM any Saturday and check out the traffic from several Cruise ships that are loading up with people and supplies. The Port of Miami accounts for 176,000 jobs and has an annual economic impact in Miami of $18 billion. It is the 11th largest cargo container port in the United States. In 2010, a record 4.33 million passengers traveled through the Port of Miami. One in seven of all the world’s cruise passengers start from Miami. Then again I guess you think the Port of Miami is closed on Saturday since you claim there will be no traffic and lots of parking. Port of Miami is on Dodge Island and the parking is on the other side of the water and you must think at least 35,000 fans are going to walk across that bridge to Dodge Island. Go on Google Earth then look at the SW corner of Port of Miami and show me where all these UM fans are going to park as the several cruise ships are loading up at the same time.

It is no use worrying about this since after Beckham gets that Port location he will no longer need to use UM. Beckham would never put his MLS money into building a stadium that would fit UM so this is all a waste of time for Canes fans. I can't wait for Beckham MLS team to bankrupt like the Fusion since it will be less sports competition that UM will have to fight for winning sports $$$ from people attending the game.

I hope the stadium is built there, because traffic or no traffic. I will be there no matter what I'll just be smarter than you I'll ride Metromover and then walk to stadium As per the OB , when people will walk over the Miami River bridge to their parked cars at the Courthouse Either way, for six games you really are terrified of some traffic. You must be claustrophobic in car !

 

[Tad Footeball]

Isn't SunLife a football/soccer stadium?

No. Joe Robbie actually had monster truck rallies in mind.

 

[SevenNSeven]

You don't get it Canes recruits love playing in a NFL stadium where Super Bowls are played. Recruits want bigger crowds not a stadium with pictures of guys in their underwear painted on the walls of the stadium that plays kick ball. What football player wants to be on a soccer stadium field now that is embarrassing. Chris Fowler would makes fun of the soccer field on national tv almost any chance he gets. Yes, fans care about comfy seats and a jumbo-tron. Canes fans also want the conveniences of driving their car to a game instead of paying $50 to park then hiking a half a mile over a busy bridge to a cheap aluminum erector set stadium that would be the worst stadium in the ACC. I would be all for UM to build their own stadium but I hate the idea of sharing a fields that a soccer team owns that would desecrate our football program with that pathetic game of soccer.

Please tell me you are a child, because you certainly come across as one. LMAO that your making a big deal about sharing a field with a professional soccer team. Soccer has come a long way in this country, maybe not on the field, but the fanbase of the sport in general is huge right now. I used to have a similiar attitude as yours, but I've grown up.

There is a limited amount of sports dollars that UM is competing with to buy tickets in a already crowded pack of sports competitors in the Dolphins, Heat, NHL Panthers, Marlins, PGA, ATP Tennis, FIU and FAU. Anything that UM does to support the MLS will only hurt UM financially.

So, knowing this, the answer is to play games in a Stadium too big for our fickle fan base, leaving the stadium half empty for many games, and have it used against by recruits, other schools and local coaches looking for something to ***** about rather than explore options for a stadium that may be better fit for Miami Hurricane Football?

The answer is make the most money from all football ticket & parking pass sales as you can so you can spend it on building better football team. Miami has a 13% increase in football ticket sales last year that averaged over 53K per game in 2013. You can't sell more tickets than you got seats at a game. Even if we were in that 40K MLS stadium there would still be a lot of no shows since there is no parking and easy access to Dodge Island. The noles and gates will always using negative recruiting on Miami and our only come back is to build a better team and that takes money. Beckham's stadium would destroy UM's Athletic program since there is no way to make money without parking, 60K seats and a stadium that fans can afford to attend games. Beckham's stadium offers none of that.

If Miami did ever get rolling again there is no way the Canes Athletic program could make money in Beckham's stadium and we can't sustain success without the money to support the Athletic program. If more Canes fans would buy tickets to Sun Life there wouldn't be an issue with empty seats and playing is a tiny 40K stadium with no parking revenue and limited road access is a going out of business plan not a solution for UM.

Your info is wrong, your assumptions are asinine, and your argument sucks.


First, we, as of yet, do not know the location, size, structure of Beckham's stadium or even what a potential lease agreement would look like. So arguing it, with blanket statements like 'UM would never make money in a 40K stadium' or 'it would end the program' is idiotic to a high degree.

Second, lots of the info you are using to defend Sun Life is also incorrect or flawed, throwing ****** info around like how much money you think UM makes off parking currently. You point at an attendance increase driven almost solely off the UF game boost. You seem to be ignorant that one of the biggest things that hurts UM's bottom line right now on sales is that supply almost always trumps demand at Sun Life. Being able to charge $80 per ticket for one game a year doesn't change the fact that UM has to discount the cost of tickets for every other game just to try and keep up with the low cost for resales on the secondary market.

I understand your opinion, put you're supporting it so poorly, and so doggedly, that you're killing the discourse. If you keep appearing in this thread rehashing the same argument, based off of speculation and bad information, rather than join others in attempting to point out the many, many, many flaws in your reasoning to you, I'm just gonna neg the **** out of you.

 

[AntwanJ306]

Our admin is mom and pop.

Total joke.

Our admin leads a top 50 university and has raised billions. You?

Naturally, though, when they are trying to do exactly what this board wants them to do (get a new stadium), they still get blasted by the board.

I got my Masters Degree there.

You?

STFU

Master's Degree? LMFAO. Yeah, that's unique.

Donna Shalala raises billions and is one of the most respected leaders in the country. You have your Master's degree. Sounds about the same. Thanks for clearing that up.

Clearly another simpleton ****** who ties the academic's to the athletic's.

Being successful ACADEMICALLY does not in ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM tie into the FOOTBALL teams success and how the ATHLETIC DEPARTMENT is HANDLED.

Now go put your helmet back on and let the adults speak.

Furthermore her handling of the medical purchases has been a travesty along with her "fundraising" for athletic's.

Mr. Master's Degree can't even follow a simple thread.

Here's the point: you're ripping an administration that did more last week than you have done in your whole life.

And your continuous misuse of apostrophes proves that academics aren't all that important to you.

 

[Cane7451]

Not sure why you are so hung up on Parking.....seriously.

UM makes about 20% of their football revenue from selling parking at SLS they lease from the Fins and re-sell to fans attending the game. Miami's Athletic program has to support it self for funding or the whole football program will never be successful. Fans are not going to take public transportation. Not many fans are not going to pay $100 for a parking spot then have to walk over a bridge to Dodge Island. This is a picture of of Beckham's site in the SW corner near the bridge of Dodge Island (AKA Port of Miami).

Our fans don't show up for SLS that is very convent access and available parking. Few fans are going to go through all the trouble to go to a game where they can't afford tickets, affordable parking and convenient public access. Dodge Island has nothing but a great view of Miami and that will get old very fast.

The worst thing is there is NO WAY for UM to make money on that tiny MLS size stadium. This is Business 101 the entire Canes Athletic program must support it's self or it will all be downgraded with less spending on athletics.

 

[CaneFan79]

FAU game - 50,151 in attendance
UF game - 76, 968 in attendance
Savannah St - 42, 571 in attendance
Georgia Tech - 47, 008 in attendance
Wake Forest - 66, 160 in attendance
Virgina Tech - 49, 267 in attendance
Virginia - 44, 732 in attendance

Miami had a 13% increase in ticket sales in 2013 over 2012 for a grand total of 376,857 tickets sold that averaged 53,837 tickets sold per game in 2013.

Hurricanes Football: Attendance History

L O Freaking L if you believe those numbers. I guarantee we need 45K at max for all games not involving FSU/UF/some other big, big name school that travels. Anybody that thinks we need above 45K needs their head examined. UM would do quite well with that size stadium for many, many reasons. I'll try to be brief.

First of all, stadiums are going to get smaller, not larger. Reasons include the dwindling baby boomer ticket holders that will be more stingy than ever with their entertainment dollars, the current generation of 30-40 somethings that are squeezed by a tight economy, and most importantly, the advent of HDTV, and smartphone/smart tv apps that lead to the decline of the consumer needs to attend games. Future stadiums will be renovated for smaller capacity, wired for sound, and made wifi friendly.

And by the way, that anguish you hear is from athletic directors that are absolutely freaked out by the average college kid that seemingly has limited interest in attending football games. You know its serious when even SEC schools are freaking out about it. Baby boomers are within 10 years of turning in their tickets for good which presents a huge problem. Who will replace them?

Excellent points by JefeGringo, which are further bolstered by "The Mothership:"

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10458047/next-generation-ticket-holder-concern-students-show-college-football-games

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/tag/_/name/021714-conference-attendance

There is also a section I didn't link; it's blog posts by the conference beat writers, judging the "best" student sections in their respective conferences. Suffice it to say, Miami's student section didn't make it. My son was Freshman for the last OB season and he firmly believes the distance to "soon to re-named again" Stadium is a prime reason for less student participation than during the OB period. He was a die-hard (yes, I AM proud of him), but getting other "fencesitter"students to go with him was sometimes a chore.

 

[DapperSlapper]

For the county and Beckham's group, it's the port site. Principally for Beckham, its the urban setting and prime location. The county needs development in that area one way or another to generate revenue for its port debt. That location as been sitting idle for years!! Do you know of anyone rushing to pour development dollars into the location now? Nope.

That's not exactly correct. http://www.archdaily.com/332719/port-side-miami-plusurbia-design/

Any proposal with office buildings, hotels, etc. would bring in a lot more money that a stadium.

Yes, it will but as per the article. The City of Miami allowed the port to be turnover to the county on a condition to be used for port purpose only. No development can be allowed there without a political fight with powerful Downtown Authority. They will not object to a stadium because it will bring $$$ to their area. But, competition across the bay is another matter. That is why a prime piece of property as been idle for years and proposals for development have been pie in the sky. Beckham's stadium is the cataylst what could be a negotiated settlement for commercial development. with City of Miami/Downtown Authority.

Highlights from article:
Political pressure in Miami may prove a significant advantage for Beckham, since the city of Miami gave the county the port island with the condition that it always be used for port purposes. By shifting the development plan to more of an entertainment destination surrounding a soccer stadium, the port could mollify foes on the commercial side and still generate revenue from hotels, shops and restaurants built on the site.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/02/...hams-soccer-plans-conflict.html#storylink=cpy

While Beckham’s negotiators are mostly staying quiet publicly, they’ve found allies in Miami’s commercial real estate industry, which largely opposes the port’s plan to be a new player in the city’s development sector. In December, the city’s tax-funded Downtown Development Authority wrote to PortMiami protesting its planned commercial development, as others warn of an ill-fated venture that would flood an already glutted market.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/02/...hams-soccer-plans-conflict.html#storylink=cpy

A stadium is not going to generate nearly as much money as other commercial developments:

“That is precious, precious property,’’ said Frank Nero, former head of Miami-Dade’s Beacon Council, a tax-funded economic development agency. “That site is an ideal site to attract commercial development, there is no doubt about it. That site could be some of the most valuable land in the state of Florida.”
A Nov. 20 memo from port financial consultant Paul Lambert estimates the land Beckham wants for a stadium could generate at least $3 million a year in rent. His analysis assumed the real estate was used for a commercial center filled with hotels, office space, restaurants and shops as envisioned in the port’s pre-soccer 2011 master plan.
That’s sizable rent for a stadium deal. A new Major League Soccer team in Orlando agreed to pay about $600,000 a year for its government-financed stadium, while the Miami Heat’s agreement with Miami-Dade has only yielded a single payment of $257,134 after 13 years in the county-owned AmericanAirlines Arena. And that’s with a $6 million yearly subsidy from county hotel taxes.
It’s unlikely Beckham’s team would agree to paying Miami-Dade $3 million a year, especially since Beckham said he will not seek local tax dollars, said Irwin P. Raij, a stadium-finance attorney at Foley & Lardner.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/02/15/3937751/beckhams-soccer-plans-conflict.html#storylink=cpy

 

[AntwanJ306]

UM makes about 20% of their football revenue from selling parking at SLS they lease from the Fins and re-sell to fans attending the game.

Bulls--t. For that to be true, UM would have to NET $5.2 million from parking alone after "leasing" the space from SLS.

 

[Cane7451]

Winning the National Championship as a lot to do with how much money a school has to spend on it's football program. Sure the riches teams don't always win the NC but there are few average financed teams that ever even compete for a NC.

"This year, the University of Alabama reported $143.3 Million in athletic revenues — more than all 30 NHL teams and 25 of the 30 NBA teams."- per Forbes Magazine

I want to win and I am more interested in how UM can make more money than how bad it looks with so many empty seats we have on TV. UM in the Herald story says today we have about 30K in season ticket sales plus 6K seats for students and the NCAA required 4K seats for the visiting team to sell to their fans. That is 40K right there today in SLS. However Miami has sold on average more than 40K in tickets since the 1999 season. I care about ticket revenue a lot more than butts in the seats argument for how we look on TV. You can't sell tickets for seats you don't have in a 40K stadium. The noles and gators are going to be negative recruiting us regardless of where we play football or how many empty seats we have.

Without the athletic money Miami isn't going to compete very often with the rich team since Miami is one of the poorest teams in the ACC where our athletic revenue is in the low 50's or high 40's of the other 119 FBS teams.

There is no way Beckham is going to spend his MLS money to build UM a stadium that fits our needs. There is no way UM can make money with a tiny 40K stadium with no parking revenue when UM has been selling more than 40K tickets on average to every game for the last 13 years. Beckham is using using Miami to try to get his Port of Miami stadium site and will drop us as fast as he can if he get access to that downtown port site.

 

[CaneFan79]

Don't forget "tickets distributed". That includes the frequent "buy one for $3 and bring 2 invisible friend" promotions.

UM reported attendance of 66,160 for Wake Forest. Below is a picture with 6:26 remaining in the 1Q. You be the judge of what attendance figures really mean.

The D just gave up a touchdown....DAM!!!

It really is amazing how far you are away from the action on the sidelines.

Part of the problem is that "soon to be re-named again" Stadium's field width WAS designed with, yes, soccer in mind. This was per Joe Robbie's specific request. He believed having a Fußball-friendly venue was imperative to making money during the Dolphin's off-season. Baseball was another consideration, but it wasn't as easy as designing the stadium for soccer. Indeed, it took another $10 Million+ to convert it into a baseball stadium and hopefully the hydraulic pitcher's mound is rotting in place (too many running back slips on the dirt for the 'Canes and 'Phins!).

Speaking of baseball and distance from the football field, finding a technical solution which allows fans to get closer to the action (and increases the "home-field advantage") in dual-use stadiums is nothing new. New York's now demolished Shea Stadium used powered wheel bogeys to move the lower box seats over the baseball diamond so the stands were closer to the Jets' gridiron.

It can be done, it just takes the will to do it.

 

[Consigliere]

Winning the National Championship as a lot to do with how much money a school has to spend on it's football program. Sure the riches teams don't always win the NC but there are few average financed teams that ever even compete for a NC.

"This year, the University of Alabama reported $143.3 Million in athletic revenues — more than all 30 NHL teams and 25 of the 30 NBA teams."- per Forbes Magazine

I want to win and I am more interested in how UM can make more money than how bad it looks with so many empty seats we have on TV. UM in the Herald story says today we have about 30K in season ticket sales plus 6K seats for students and the NCAA required 4K seats for the visiting team to sell to their fans. That is 40K right there today in SLS. However Miami has sold on average more than 40K in tickets since the 1999 season. I care about ticket revenue a lot more than butts in the seats argument for how we look on TV. You can't sell tickets for seats you don't have in a 40K stadium. The noles and gators are going to be negative recruiting us regardless of where we play football or how many empty seats we have.

Without the revenue athletic money Miami isn't going to compete very often with the rich team since Miami is one of the poorest teams in the ACC where our athletic revenue is in the low 50's or high 40's of the other 119 FBS teams.

There is no way Beckham is going to spend his MLS money to build UM a stadium that fits our needs. There is no way UM can make money with a tiny 40K stadium with no parking revenue when UM has been selling more than 40K tickets on average to every game for the last 13 years. Beckham is using using Miami to try to get his Port of Miami stadium site and will drop us as fast as he can if he get access to that downtown port site.

There are a lot of holes in the above.

Let's start with what is our revenue split from Sun-Life stadium from ticket sales and consessions? What is our annual rent expense from the stadium?

 

[Cane7451]

It turns out that SLS wasn't the reason for the Marlins poor ticket sales. Anyone think a new stadium will fix UM attendance problem?

Miami Marlins attendance reverts to old Sun Life Stadium levels

What has moving to Miami brought the Marlins? About 100 extra fans per game.

That’s the current gap between this year’s attendance and the average gate count for the Marlins’ last season at Sun Life Stadium, the football field that owner Jeffrey Loria blamed for the team’s long-standing attendance and revenue woes.

 

[ssj4cane]

It turns out that SLS wasn't the reason for the Marlins poor ticket sales. Anyone think a new stadium will fix UM attendance problem?

Miami Marlins attendance reverts to old Sun Life Stadium levels

What has moving to Miami brought the Marlins? About 100 extra fans per game.

That’s the current gap between this year’s attendance and the average gate count for the Marlins’ last season at Sun Life Stadium, the football field that owner Jeffrey Loria blamed for the team’s long-standing attendance and revenue woes.

Who's saying moving will bring in more fans? Your saying we should stay in No Life to accomodate 40k fans and everyone else thinks we should move to a 40k seat stadium to accomodate 40k fans. New stadium=better atmosphere.

 

[SevenNSeven]

It turns out that SLS wasn't the reason for the Marlins poor ticket sales. Anyone think a new stadium will fix UM attendance problem?

Miami Marlins attendance reverts to old Sun Life Stadium levels

What has moving to Miami brought the Marlins? About 100 extra fans per game.

That’s the current gap between this year’s attendance and the average gate count for the Marlins’ last season at Sun Life Stadium, the football field that owner Jeffrey Loria blamed for the team’s long-standing attendance and revenue woes.

Now you're arguing against yourself. With the assumption that our attendance stays at 45K-50K, which I think is something we all can agree on, then having a stadium that fits our 'footprint' would be much more financially valuable. Think of what they could do in terms of pricing and sales if they weren't competing against themselves with 30,000 unsold seats.

 

[dycane]

For the county and Beckham's group, it's the port site. Principally for Beckham, its the urban setting and prime location. The county needs development in that area one way or another to generate revenue for its port debt. That location as been sitting idle for years!! Do you know of anyone rushing to pour development dollars into the location now? Nope.

That's not exactly correct. http://www.archdaily.com/332719/port-side-miami-plusurbia-design/

Any proposal with office buildings, hotels, etc. would bring in a lot more money that a stadium.

Yes, it will but as per the article. The City of Miami allowed the port to be turnover to the county on a condition to be used for port purpose only. No development can be allowed there without a political fight with powerful Downtown Authority. They will not object to a stadium because it will bring $$$ to their area. But, competition across the bay is another matter. That is why a prime piece of property as been idle for years and proposals for development have been pie in the sky. Beckham's stadium is the cataylst what could be a negotiated settlement for commercial development. with City of Miami/Downtown Authority.

Highlights from article:
Political pressure in Miami may prove a significant advantage for Beckham, since the city of Miami gave the county the port island with the condition that it always be used for port purposes. By shifting the development plan to more of an entertainment destination surrounding a soccer stadium, the port could mollify foes on the commercial side and still generate revenue from hotels, shops and restaurants built on the site.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/02/...hams-soccer-plans-conflict.html#storylink=cpy

While Beckham’s negotiators are mostly staying quiet publicly, they’ve found allies in Miami’s commercial real estate industry, which largely opposes the port’s plan to be a new player in the city’s development sector. In December, the city’s tax-funded Downtown Development Authority wrote to PortMiami protesting its planned commercial development, as others warn of an ill-fated venture that would flood an already glutted market.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/02/...hams-soccer-plans-conflict.html#storylink=cpy

A stadium is not going to generate nearly as much money as other commercial developments:

“That is precious, precious property,’’ said Frank Nero, former head of Miami-Dade’s Beacon Council, a tax-funded economic development agency. “That site is an ideal site to attract commercial development, there is no doubt about it. That site could be some of the most valuable land in the state of Florida.”
A Nov. 20 memo from port financial consultant Paul Lambert estimates the land Beckham wants for a stadium could generate at least $3 million a year in rent. His analysis assumed the real estate was used for a commercial center filled with hotels, office space, restaurants and shops as envisioned in the port’s pre-soccer 2011 master plan.
That’s sizable rent for a stadium deal. A new Major League Soccer team in Orlando agreed to pay about $600,000 a year for its government-financed stadium, while the Miami Heat’s agreement with Miami-Dade has only yielded a single payment of $257,134 after 13 years in the county-owned AmericanAirlines Arena. And that’s with a $6 million yearly subsidy from county hotel taxes.
It’s unlikely Beckham’s team would agree to paying Miami-Dade $3 million a year, especially since Beckham said he will not seek local tax dollars, said Irwin P. Raij, a stadium-finance attorney at Foley & Lardner.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/02/15/3937751/beckhams-soccer-plans-conflict.html#storylink=cpy

Needs to be considered in the context of the overall economic impact of the development, not simply through the lens of rent revenue.

 

[ramcanes]

It turns out that SLS wasn't the reason for the Marlins poor ticket sales. Anyone think a new stadium will fix UM attendance problem?

Miami Marlins attendance reverts to old Sun Life Stadium levels

What has moving to Miami brought the Marlins? About 100 extra fans per game.

That’s the current gap between this year’s attendance and the average gate count for the Marlins’ last season at Sun Life Stadium, the football field that owner Jeffrey Loria blamed for the team’s long-standing attendance and revenue woes.

Now you're arguing against yourself. With the assumption that our attendance stays at 45K-50K, which I think is something we all can agree on, then having a stadium that fits our 'footprint' would be much more financially valuable. Think of what they could do in terms of pricing and sales if they weren't competing against themselves with 30,000 unsold seats.

Exactly!

Stanford had the same situation with their 80K stadium. They downsized to 50K, mad rush for season tickets,because nobody wanted to be left out And, it provides much better gameday atmosphere

 

[terra99pin]

It turns out that SLS wasn't the reason for the Marlins poor ticket sales. Anyone think a new stadium will fix UM attendance problem?

Miami Marlins attendance reverts to old Sun Life Stadium levels

What has moving to Miami brought the Marlins? About 100 extra fans per game.

That’s the current gap between this year’s attendance and the average gate count for the Marlins’ last season at Sun Life Stadium, the football field that owner Jeffrey Loria blamed for the team’s long-standing attendance and revenue woes.

Now you're arguing against yourself. With the assumption that our attendance stays at 45K-50K, which I think is something we all can agree on, then having a stadium that fits our 'footprint' would be much more financially valuable. Think of what they could do in terms of pricing and sales if they weren't competing against themselves with 30,000 unsold seats.

Exactly!

Stanford had the same situation with their 80K stadium. They downsized to 50K, mad rush for season tickets,because nobody wanted to be left out And, it provides much better gameday atmosphere

If you reduce supply, you can increase price. And though we have a lot of fairweather fans, the ones that are dedicated are REALLY die hard. You could sell tickets for a lot more if there is always a good change of a sell out.

 

[Cane7451]

It turns out that SLS wasn't the reason for the Marlins poor ticket sales. Anyone think a new stadium will fix UM attendance problem?

Miami Marlins attendance reverts to old Sun Life Stadium levels

What has moving to Miami brought the Marlins? About 100 extra fans per game.

That’s the current gap between this year’s attendance and the average gate count for the Marlins’ last season at Sun Life Stadium, the football field that owner Jeffrey Loria blamed for the team’s long-standing attendance and revenue woes.

Now you're arguing against yourself. With the assumption that our attendance stays at 45K-50K, which I think is something we all can agree on, then having a stadium that fits our 'footprint' would be much more financially valuable. Think of what they could do in terms of pricing and sales if they weren't competing against themselves with 30,000 unsold seats.

Not at all my argument is solid that a new smaller Marlin Park did almost nothing for the Marlins over what they had for attendances in SLS that the Marlins blamed for why they couldn't sell tickets. My advise is to improve the team and they will sell more seats that eliminates the empty seats. UM should be run like a business by making the most money they can with putting out the best product on the field then spending the least about of money on facilities.

 

[AntwanJ306]

Not at all my argument is solid that a new smaller Marlin Park did almost nothing for the Marlins over what they had for attendances in SLS that the Marlins blamed for why they couldn't sell tickets. My advise is to improve the team and they will sell more seats that eliminates the empty seats. UM should be run like a business by making the most money they can with spending the least about of money on facilities.

What a terrible analogy. How many times do people have to tell you that we're not trying to boost attendance. Quit comparing it to the Marlins. We already have enough fans to fill up a new stadium. What we would like to do is actually fill up a new stadium and not look at 30,000 empty seats in a cavernous neutral field environment.

If we only have 40,000 available seats, and 10K of those are set aside for students and opponents, UM will be able to charge whatever they please and they would sell out the season almost immediately.