Soccer stadium

[Dingaan1828]

This thread delivers the lulz.

 

[MiamiE]

Beckham wants to bring Cristiano Ronaldo over also. This dude is whacked out...

 

[terra99pin]

Beckham wants to bring Cristiano Ronaldo over also. This dude is whacked out...

Hey, maybe he is whacked out, but I think that's evidence he wants to make a big splash. He is going to want a big facility to do so.

Still might be a long shot guys, but we can hope!!

 

[Notsince1985]

Beckham wants to bring Cristiano Ronaldo over also. This dude is whacked out...

Orlando is likely bringing over Kaka and NYFC is talking about Xavi. Now, they are past their prime, but Ronaldo would be 31 or 32 by the time Miami's team starts. Soccer players' prime is 26-30 and they really start to go downhill after 30. Now, Ronaldo will likely not be going to the MLS at 31 or 32, but I wouldn't put it past him to move to the MLS at 35.

 

[steve_downie]

he is NOT bringing Ronaldo over to play in a 25k stadium.

Normally I would say EF IT..i dont wanna play in a soccer stadium..

but SUN LIFE is so bad that I would rather play in an abandoned parking lot.

 

[Cane7451]

It turns out that SLS wasn't the reason for the Marlins poor ticket sales. Anyone think a new stadium will fix UM attendance problem?

Miami Marlins attendance reverts to old Sun Life Stadium levels

What has moving to Miami brought the Marlins? About 100 extra fans per game.

That’s the current gap between this year’s attendance and the average gate count for the Marlins’ last season at Sun Life Stadium, the football field that owner Jeffrey Loria blamed for the team’s long-standing attendance and revenue woes.

Now you're arguing against yourself. With the assumption that our attendance stays at 45K-50K, which I think is something we all can agree on, then having a stadium that fits our 'footprint' would be much more financially valuable. Think of what they could do in terms of pricing and sales if they weren't competing against themselves with 30,000 unsold seats.

Exactly!

Stanford had the same situation with their 80K stadium. They downsized to 50K, mad rush for season tickets,because nobody wanted to be left out And, it provides much better gameday atmosphere

If you reduce supply, you can increase price. And though we have a lot of fairweather fans, the ones that are dedicated are REALLY die hard. You could sell tickets for a lot more if there is always a good change of a sell out.

Great then lets bring in enough aluminum erector set benches to Cobb Field for 20K and we will have a stadium on campus finally that UM owns. Then we can charge what ever we want. The best part is we don't have to play on that underwear model's soccer field that will make us the laughing stock of college football. I don't want our team playing on a girly boy's soccer field since the noles and gators would kill us with in recruiting. You can defend playing on a NFL field but there is no chance of defending playing on a soccer teams field.

 

[SevenNSeven]

It turns out that SLS wasn't the reason for the Marlins poor ticket sales. Anyone think a new stadium will fix UM attendance problem?

Miami Marlins attendance reverts to old Sun Life Stadium levels

What has moving to Miami brought the Marlins? About 100 extra fans per game.

That’s the current gap between this year’s attendance and the average gate count for the Marlins’ last season at Sun Life Stadium, the football field that owner Jeffrey Loria blamed for the team’s long-standing attendance and revenue woes.

Now you're arguing against yourself. With the assumption that our attendance stays at 45K-50K, which I think is something we all can agree on, then having a stadium that fits our 'footprint' would be much more financially valuable. Think of what they could do in terms of pricing and sales if they weren't competing against themselves with 30,000 unsold seats.

Exactly!

Stanford had the same situation with their 80K stadium. They downsized to 50K, mad rush for season tickets,because nobody wanted to be left out And, it provides much better gameday atmosphere

If you reduce supply, you can increase price. And though we have a lot of fairweather fans, the ones that are dedicated are REALLY die hard. You could sell tickets for a lot more if there is always a good change of a sell out.

Great then lets bring in enough aluminum erector set benches to Cobb Field for 20K and we have a stadium on campus finally that UM owns. Then we can charge what ever we want. The best part is we don't have to play on that underwear models field field that will make us the laughing stock of college football. I don't want our team playing on a girly boy's sports field since the noles and gators would kill us with in recruiting.

We get it, you hate soccer. We also get it, you don't know **** about anything.


You can quit now. We know.

 

[AntwanJ306]

It turns out that SLS wasn't the reason for the Marlins poor ticket sales. Anyone think a new stadium will fix UM attendance problem?

Miami Marlins attendance reverts to old Sun Life Stadium levels

What has moving to Miami brought the Marlins? About 100 extra fans per game.

That’s the current gap between this year’s attendance and the average gate count for the Marlins’ last season at Sun Life Stadium, the football field that owner Jeffrey Loria blamed for the team’s long-standing attendance and revenue woes.

Now you're arguing against yourself. With the assumption that our attendance stays at 45K-50K, which I think is something we all can agree on, then having a stadium that fits our 'footprint' would be much more financially valuable. Think of what they could do in terms of pricing and sales if they weren't competing against themselves with 30,000 unsold seats.

Exactly!

Stanford had the same situation with their 80K stadium. They downsized to 50K, mad rush for season tickets,because nobody wanted to be left out And, it provides much better gameday atmosphere

If you reduce supply, you can increase price. And though we have a lot of fairweather fans, the ones that are dedicated are REALLY die hard. You could sell tickets for a lot more if there is always a good change of a sell out.

Great then lets bring in enough aluminum erector set benches to Cobb Field for 20K and we will have a stadium on campus finally that UM owns. Then we can charge what ever we want. The best part is we don't have to play on that underwear model's soccer field that will make us the laughing stock of college football. I don't want our team playing on a girly boy's soccer field since the noles and gators would kill us with in recruiting. You can defend playing on a NFL field but there is no chance of defending playing on a soccer teams field.

Still waiting for you to show that we net $5 million in parking revenue.

 

[SevenNSeven]

Now you're arguing against yourself. With the assumption that our attendance stays at 45K-50K, which I think is something we all can agree on, then having a stadium that fits our 'footprint' would be much more financially valuable. Think of what they could do in terms of pricing and sales if they weren't competing against themselves with 30,000 unsold seats.

Exactly!

Stanford had the same situation with their 80K stadium. They downsized to 50K, mad rush for season tickets,because nobody wanted to be left out And, it provides much better gameday atmosphere

If you reduce supply, you can increase price. And though we have a lot of fairweather fans, the ones that are dedicated are REALLY die hard. You could sell tickets for a lot more if there is always a good change of a sell out.

Great then lets bring in enough aluminum erector set benches to Cobb Field for 20K and we will have a stadium on campus finally that UM owns. Then we can charge what ever we want. The best part is we don't have to play on that underwear model's soccer field that will make us the laughing stock of college football. I don't want our team playing on a girly boy's soccer field since the noles and gators would kill us with in recruiting. You can defend playing on a NFL field but there is no chance of defending playing on a soccer teams field.

Still waiting for you to show that we net $5 million in parking revenue.

He ain't gonna show nothing. His soccer coach once touched him in a way that made him uncomfortable, and now he's mortally afraid of us sharing a stadium with a soccer team, so he's pulling a bunch of stuff outta his *** and telling us it's gospel.

 

[TheEye]

Are people getting excited just because a smaller stadium will look better on TV? Sounds like another excuse not to attend games to me.

 

[AntwanJ306]

Are people getting excited just because a smaller stadium will look better on TV? Sounds like another excuse not to attend games to me.

I like the idea because it will be crazy loud, full, and it won't feel like we're playing the game in an enormous warehouse.

 

[Tad Footeball]

If some of the people in this thread are actually Canes fans then we definitely do need to thin the herd asap- thus rendering a smaller capacity stadium even more appropriate. Wow.

 

[TheEye]

Are people getting excited just because a smaller stadium will look better on TV? Sounds like another excuse not to attend games to me.

I like the idea because it will be crazy loud, full, and it won't feel like we're playing the game in an enormous warehouse.

Well, the capacity will be smaller so it won't really be "loud" since the same or fewer people will attend. Also, since it needs to accommodate soccer, the seats will be no where near the sidelines so that problem remains. "Crazy loud" games will be the game 70K+ will attend and obviously we would need to relocate to Sun Life for them.
I understand the elimination of the nosebleeds, but kiss them cheap stub hub tix good bye. Wake Forest game had DOLLAR tickets.

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

Are people getting excited just because a smaller stadium will look better on TV? Sounds like another excuse not to attend games to me.

I like the idea because it will be crazy loud, full, and it won't feel like we're playing the game in an enormous warehouse.

Well, the capacity will be smaller so it won't really be "loud" since the same or fewer people will attend. Also, since it needs to accommodate soccer, the seats will be no where near the sidelines so that problem remains. "Crazy loud" games will be the game 70K+ will attend and obviously we would need to relocate to Sun Life for them.
I understand the elimination of the nosebleeds, but kiss them cheap stub hub tix good bye. Wake Forest game had DOLLAR tickets.

1. A packed house of 40k will sound "crazy loud" in comparison to 40k fans spread out across 75k seats at SLS.

2. Despite dollar tickets to Wake, we couldn't get even 35k to that game.

 

[AntwanJ306]

Are people getting excited just because a smaller stadium will look better on TV? Sounds like another excuse not to attend games to me.

I like the idea because it will be crazy loud, full, and it won't feel like we're playing the game in an enormous warehouse.

Well, the capacity will be smaller so it won't really be "loud" since the same or fewer people will attend. Also, since it needs to accommodate soccer, the seats will be no where near the sidelines so that problem remains. "Crazy loud" games will be the game 70K+ will attend and obviously we would need to relocate to Sun Life for them.
I understand the elimination of the nosebleeds, but kiss them cheap stub hub tix good bye. Wake Forest game had DOLLAR tickets.

The design of the stadium will have more impact on the noise level than how many people are inside. And if a small stadium is packed, the atmosphere is 1000x more exciting than if the same number of people are spread out putting their feet on the seats in front of them.

 

[DapperSlapper]

For the county and Beckham's group, it's the port site. Principally for Beckham, its the urban setting and prime location. The county needs development in that area one way or another to generate revenue for its port debt. That location as been sitting idle for years!! Do you know of anyone rushing to pour development dollars into the location now? Nope.

That's not exactly correct. http://www.archdaily.com/332719/port-side-miami-plusurbia-design/

Any proposal with office buildings, hotels, etc. would bring in a lot more money that a stadium.

Yes, it will but as per the article. The City of Miami allowed the port to be turnover to the county on a condition to be used for port purpose only. No development can be allowed there without a political fight with powerful Downtown Authority. They will not object to a stadium because it will bring $$$ to their area. But, competition across the bay is another matter. That is why a prime piece of property as been idle for years and proposals for development have been pie in the sky. Beckham's stadium is the cataylst what could be a negotiated settlement for commercial development. with City of Miami/Downtown Authority.

Highlights from article:
Political pressure in Miami may prove a significant advantage for Beckham, since the city of Miami gave the county the port island with the condition that it always be used for port purposes. By shifting the development plan to more of an entertainment destination surrounding a soccer stadium, the port could mollify foes on the commercial side and still generate revenue from hotels, shops and restaurants built on the site.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/02/...hams-soccer-plans-conflict.html#storylink=cpy

While Beckham’s negotiators are mostly staying quiet publicly, they’ve found allies in Miami’s commercial real estate industry, which largely opposes the port’s plan to be a new player in the city’s development sector. In December, the city’s tax-funded Downtown Development Authority wrote to PortMiami protesting its planned commercial development, as others warn of an ill-fated venture that would flood an already glutted market.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/02/...hams-soccer-plans-conflict.html#storylink=cpy

A stadium is not going to generate nearly as much money as other commercial developments:

“That is precious, precious property,’’ said Frank Nero, former head of Miami-Dade’s Beacon Council, a tax-funded economic development agency. “That site is an ideal site to attract commercial development, there is no doubt about it. That site could be some of the most valuable land in the state of Florida.”
A Nov. 20 memo from port financial consultant Paul Lambert estimates the land Beckham wants for a stadium could generate at least $3 million a year in rent. His analysis assumed the real estate was used for a commercial center filled with hotels, office space, restaurants and shops as envisioned in the port’s pre-soccer 2011 master plan.
That’s sizable rent for a stadium deal. A new Major League Soccer team in Orlando agreed to pay about $600,000 a year for its government-financed stadium, while the Miami Heat’s agreement with Miami-Dade has only yielded a single payment of $257,134 after 13 years in the county-owned AmericanAirlines Arena. And that’s with a $6 million yearly subsidy from county hotel taxes.
It’s unlikely Beckham’s team would agree to paying Miami-Dade $3 million a year, especially since Beckham said he will not seek local tax dollars, said Irwin P. Raij, a stadium-finance attorney at Foley & Lardner.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/02/15/3937751/beckhams-soccer-plans-conflict.html#storylink=cpy

Needs to be considered in the context of the overall economic impact of the development, not simply through the lens of rent revenue.

In this instance, the development is intended to help the port with its debt, so the rent is paramount. Additionally, the overall impact of a stadium would still not reach the impact of other commercial development. A stadium there is a terrible idea, and, should a 40k or smaller (would probably be significantly smaller) stadium end up there, it would be a terrible idea for UM to play there.

 

[Gatorhater]

Oh, thank God. I first I thought this thread was about dropping football and playing soccer instead. What a relief to find it is just another stadium discussion.

 

[Consigliere]

Before we discuss the this possibility, I am curious if anyone knows the following questions:

1. What is our revenue split from the following:

A. Ticket Sales
B. Concessions
C. Parking

2. What is the buy out for our current lease with Sun Life Stadium?


3. What do people think is the real PAID attendance per game last season outside of UF (so the other games)?

 

[Consigliere]

If this is a home-field thing. I personally would rather play football in a smaller stadium which was sold out than a bigger stadium that was empty. Given the best of two evils, I would prefer a smaller LOUDER stadium, that felt like we had some home-field advantage. The current situation is terrible from a game day experience.

If this is strictly a revenue thing...I would look at where we make more money versus the cost to get out of the current lease.

If people are concerned with potential games where the stadium could have more than 40K at a game. Have one game per year at Sun Life, perhaps we can use this as some way to decrease the buyout. If FSU is the big game, make it FSU.

 

[DapperSlapper]

Before we discuss the this possibility, I am curious if anyone knows the following questions:

1. What is our revenue split from the following:

A. Ticket Sales
B. Concessions
C. Parking

2. What is the buy out for our current lease with Sun Life Stadium?


3. What do people think is the real PAID attendance per game last season outside of UF (so the other games)?

The greater the perceived difference between butts in the seats and announced attendance, the more significant tickets sales are. Schools cannot count any ticket sold for less than 1/3 the face value of the highest regular established price for any ticket in attendance numbers unless that ticket holder actually attends the game. In other words, schools can count ticket sales in their attendance figures as long as the ticket price meets that requirement. If the ticket does not, then the holder of the ticket must actually attend the game in order to be counted in attendance numbers. Unless UM has changed its student fees, students can only be counted in attendance if they actually attend the games. If members of the band meet the student requirements, then they can be counted in attendance. Cheerleaders, athletes, and any students working in any other capacity at the stadium cannot be counted in attendance.

Look at the Wake game - the announced attendance was 66,160. In order for individuals to be counted in that number, they had to either purchase a ticket that meets the 1/3 requirement (and either go or not go), or get a ticket not meeting the requirement and actually go and be counted. If the stadium looked empty, and the consensus seems to be that it was, all of those no-shows counted in the attendance number were tickets sold at a face value that meets the NCAA bylaw rule. If there were 40,000 no shows, every one of them was a ticket sold by the ticket office. That's revenue.