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So we finally offer Treon Harris as a QB.

AlexCane said:
Haven't read thread, apologize if addressed. Is there any chance that FSU is cooling on him, or using its new-found popularity to go for a bigger fish at QB? Or that they told him that they envision him at a position other than QB?

I guess if FSU is leaving him all dressed up and nowhere to go, that other schools might come calling. But I'm speculating entirely.
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FSU already has a big pro-style guy in JJ Consentino. This is pure Miami desperation because all the SoFla talent is bolting to FSU.
 
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RiDLer80 said:
AlexCane said:
Haven't read thread, apologize if addressed. Is there any chance that FSU is cooling on him, or using its new-found popularity to go for a bigger fish at QB? Or that they told him that they envision him at a position other than QB?

I guess if FSU is leaving him all dressed up and nowhere to go, that other schools might come calling. But I'm speculating entirely.
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FSU already has a big pro-style guy in JJ Consentino. This is pure Miami desperation because all the SoFla talent is bolting to FSU.
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That's nonsense. Do you guys really think that everyone on this staff is functionally retarded? I mean there is NO WAY that they would actually think they can Flip Treon. **** they havent even really put much effort into it if that's what they were doing. They called up and offered. Woohoo.. To me, this smells like a "check the box" offer to get people to stop grumbling that we didnt offer the "local kid", if we are now looking to take a 3rd QB. There is NO WAY that AG or Coley actually think they would flip Treon after everything that has been said, and all this time, and FSU just winning the title.
 
CANE4LIFE said:
RiDLer80 said:
AlexCane said:
Haven't read thread, apologize if addressed. Is there any chance that FSU is cooling on him, or using its new-found popularity to go for a bigger fish at QB? Or that they told him that they envision him at a position other than QB?

I guess if FSU is leaving him all dressed up and nowhere to go, that other schools might come calling. But I'm speculating entirely.
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FSU already has a big pro-style guy in JJ Consentino. This is pure Miami desperation because all the SoFla talent is bolting to FSU.
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That's nonsense. Do you guys really think that everyone on this staff is functionally retarded? I mean there is NO WAY that they would actually think they can Flip Treon. **** they havent even really put much effort into it if that's what they were doing. They called up and offered. Woohoo.. To me, this smells like a "check the box" offer to get people to stop grumbling that we didnt offer the "local kid", if we are now looking to take a 3rd QB. There is NO WAY that AG or Coley actually think they would flip Treon after everything that has been said, and all this time, and FSU just winning the title.
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In case you haven't been paying attention, Treon has had an offer the entire cycle. Just not at quarterback.

So a month before signing day we decide we're taking a 3rd QB in this class, for what? Why the change of heart?

And a token offer is more disrespectful than never actually offering.
 
CANE4LIFE said:
RiDLer80 said:
AlexCane said:
Haven't read thread, apologize if addressed. Is there any chance that FSU is cooling on him, or using its new-found popularity to go for a bigger fish at QB? Or that they told him that they envision him at a position other than QB?

I guess if FSU is leaving him all dressed up and nowhere to go, that other schools might come calling. But I'm speculating entirely.
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FSU already has a big pro-style guy in JJ Consentino. This is pure Miami desperation because all the SoFla talent is bolting to FSU.
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That's nonsense. Do you guys really think that everyone on this staff is functionally retarded? I mean there is NO WAY that they would actually think they can Flip Treon. **** they havent even really put much effort into it if that's what they were doing. They called up and offered. Woohoo.. To me, this smells like a "check the box" offer to get people to stop grumbling that we didnt offer the "local kid", if we are now looking to take a 3rd QB. There is NO WAY that AG or Coley actually think they would flip Treon after everything that has been said, and all this time, and FSU just winning the title.
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You keep saying that as if it that would be an intelligent decision and would make our corches look like they know what they are doing. It isn't and it doesn't. Now go blame admissions or some ****.
 
CAPS4LIFE must be a god**** genius because he's the only one on the board that sees this offer as anything but ridiculous.
 
LuCane said:
NoahZach said:
LuCane said:
NoahZach said:
LuCane said:
That's the only legitimate question. And, given it's Treon Harris (which means more than an ordinary QB with the potential to be a star at another position), you make an early decision to play it a certain way and you stick by it. Otherwise, it may expand existing negative chatter. That's not a risk I roll with at this point. If you think it's just people on this board who react to the offer like "oh really, now?" then I'm not sure what to say. This is a reality we have to deal with and the coaches should be aware of (I think they are, which makes the rumored move more puzzling).
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So, what if the early decision was to tell the kid that we could not offer him an opportunity at QB at the time, but will make that offer if the opportunity develops? What if the staff is sticking to its early decision on how to play it and is playing it exactly as it was communicated to Treon? Everyone here assumes that an offer at this point will be received negatively, but it might just be viewed as the staff having acted honestly and proceeded when the opportunity arose and exactly as everyone involved understood might be a possibility.

I'm not defending the staff because I don't know if it dropped the ball or did not, but I don't see criticizing based upon assumptions as making any sense either.
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There aren't any assumptions in what I've written to you. There is existing chatter that the staff has a certain, eh, approach. Even if it's not how it is meant, unless they somehow communicated with Treon and he said there was a good chance to flip, this type of move (when he likely declines to flip) is not worth the cost. Like I said in my original post, it's a variant of the Skai Moore situation, except this player is freakin' Treon Harris and we all know what comes with that.

It's just frustrating because none of this had to happen if they simply took a more flexible stance early in the process.
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You can't say there are no assumptions and then follow it with an "unless they somehow . . ." That already suggests that you are assuming that they did not somehow . . . That also assumes that your possible exception is the only one that would be acceptable.

I don't know about that chatter. That might impact my view, but I think I'd still reserve criticism until I heard some complaining from someone that counts (no offense intended to anyone here, I just mean someone of direct impact in recruiting).

What cost are we all imagining will arise from news that an offer was/may have been extended to Treon, if he declines to flip? We don't know what the staff has done to try to avoid costs. Is there an upside if he does flip? Does it outweigh the potential costs. Impossible to say without knowing more. That's why I can't get worked up about this without there being some evidence of a real--not perceived--cost or issue.

None of what had to happen? That's not rhetorical. I'm not following this year as closely as I have in other years, so I admit that I may well have missed something.
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There weren't any assumptions in what I had previously written. Then I moved on to discuss further in this last post.

You're being protective in saying he "may" have been offered, but it's been confirmed from the people who'd know. Maybe you don't want to accept that as fact. Fine by me. I'll trust I'm not being lied to. I'll tell you what: even the guys who are usually far more conservative in backing the coaches are calling this "weird" or "absurd."

This situation did not have to happen. Getting to the point of offering him under this circumstance did not have to happen. Everyone else in the thread has done a good job of explaining why. Read some of Able's posts. It's not that complicated. This doesn't come off well from either angle you look at it.
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If that's true, and the comments below your post indicating that he's said that it is too late and he is sticking by that also are true (and I mean that kids say that, but often don't mean it or change their minds), I'd start to slide more towards the other side of the argument and would need to understand more to feel the offer was a good move. At the time of my posts, all I understood was that it was a rumor.

I now understand that there are confirmations. At the end of the day, we all still don't know much. All I have to say is that Treon may have invited the offer and that probably would undermine most of the posted criticisms here--and I understand that we don't know yet whether he did. Even the "getting to the point of offering him now" argument isn't convincing to me because it still assumes so much. But whatever.

I'm just not up for criticism based on assumptions--and this comes from someone who preferred that we not offer the kid and thinks it may be a bad idea for other reasons. I'd wait for more information to come out besides just "we have confirmed that he has been offered" and "he previously said it would be too late" before jumping on the staff about it. What may be happening with Powell proves that we don't know what a kid is going to do and sometimes you make a run anyway. If they handled making a "late" run correctly and didn't offend anyone (other than folks on this board), then I don't see the problem.

The only gripes I'd understand at this point would come from people that have been complaining all along that the kid had not received an offer at QB. People saying it now for the first time really shouldn't be complaining--at least not yet. If the "late" offer blows up in the staff's face, then all bets are off.
 
Ryan Bartow 1629 posts
Just spoke with Miami (FL) Booker T Washington four-star QB Treon Harris.
He told me he's now set up an official visit to Miami for the weekend of January 31.
I'll have an in-depth story on his status and recruitment up at the top of the hour
 
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WELL WELL WELL. The plot thickens. Courtesy visit because of pops and the "local school" or something more???

Maybe FSU HAS cooled on him. After all, they got who they really wanted from down here (Cook). FWIW, and this is probably bullsh*t, I read on some board that there is a rumor that Cook and Treon have some kidn of beef? And that Cook had supposedly told FSU he wouldnt go there if Treon was.

Sounds like bullsh*t to me, but just feel like adding some fuel to the fire.
 
CANE4LIFE said:
WELL WELL WELL. The plot thickens. Courtesy visit because of pops and the "local school" or something more???

Maybe FSU HAS cooled on him. After all, they got who they really wanted from down here (Cook). FWIW, and this is probably bullsh*t, I read on some board that there is a rumor that Cook and Treon have some kidn of beef? And that Cook had supposedly told FSU he wouldnt go there if Treon was.

Sounds like bullsh*t to me, but just feel like adding some fuel to the fire.
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Feels like Matthew Thomas all over. A courtesy visit out of respect to the hometown school.
 
CANE4LIFE said:
Joecane said:
CANE4LIFE said:
Joecane said:
So now we are going to let him recruit for FSU during an OV? Awesome.
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Im pretty sure that's one of the weekends we are bringing in the "long shot" guys from mainly OOS.
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You mean like Valentine?
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Maybe I was thinking of the 17th. One of those weekends we have stocked with OOS/long shot type guys. If its not the 31st, then my bad.
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You were confused and yet it was your most accurate porst of the day.
 
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RiDLer80 said:
CANE4LIFE said:
WELL WELL WELL. The plot thickens. Courtesy visit because of pops and the "local school" or something more???

Maybe FSU HAS cooled on him. After all, they got who they really wanted from down here (Cook). FWIW, and this is probably bullsh*t, I read on some board that there is a rumor that Cook and Treon have some kidn of beef? And that Cook had supposedly told FSU he wouldnt go there if Treon was.

Sounds like bullsh*t to me, but just feel like adding some fuel to the fire.
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Feels like Matthew Thomas all over. A courtesy visit out of respect to the hometown school.
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I agree, but MT had to be really "pushed" to "squeeze in" a midweek visit. And we recruited the **** out of MT. The staff went ALL OUT working on that kid. We just offered Treon. For a kid who is rock solid to FSU ,recruiting for them, has zero interest in switching, wouldnt even "listen" to other offers, and he immediately schedules an OV here as soon as we offer? Feels a bit different than MT to be honest. Dont know why, but the UF offer coming in late, and a visit now schedule there..... maybe Im wrong, but the actions dont match the rhetoric.

FWIW, IOU over on CS made some cryptic post a while back, saying that someone who was a real "game changer" had put in paperwork to enroll at UM. It didnt sound like anyone that we were actively recruiting or thought was in play, but there was a lot of speculation and allusions to Treon.

Personally I think its all reaching. But still seems a BIT odd to me. Kid is solid as a rock to FSU, says he wont even "listen" to other offers, and then schedules OVs to UF and UM the same day he gets offers from them.
 
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Miami - “(Quarterbacks) coach (James) Coley called my father last night and offered me as a quarterback. They just came in the picture. They want me to check it out so I’m going to take an official visit there. Its a good school. But I don’t like how they came at me late.”
 
252cane said:
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Miami - “(Quarterbacks) coach (James) Coley called my father last night and offered me as a quarterback. They just came in the picture. They want me to check it out so I’m going to take an official visit there. Its a good school. But I don’t like how they came at me late.”
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Well he's mad we offered him late, which is no secret. But he's not so mad that he wont take an OV here..
 
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