So we finally offer Treon Harris as a QB.

[Canesnation40]

Didn't read all of the astute posters in thread post, but what a dumb *** late decision.

This is the move that should have been done from the get go. Get him on your team, and give him a shot to play QB. Also keep in his ear at the same time. That while you are waiting. This team could really use you at "X" position.

Who knows this kid, not being the prototypical QB, may surprise everyone. This is college, not the NFL. Get the best players that you can on your squad, and figure the rest out later.

The only thing that complicated this was that it's Ice Harris' kid and therefore, if they felt they were getting a crap deal, it may have started a broader issue. For that, I understood shooting Treon straight and sticking to that plan. Except, now we've decided to go against that plan 1 month before signing day. I guess we can pray for the miracle that this somehow ends up as a positive thing. Maybe Treon really, really, really wants to stay home.

I don't think it would become an issue. If you offer the kid what he wants, and you do your best to honor that. Treon is going to sit 2 years at FSU, at the moment. He has a chance here. To get his shot most likely after Williams, and if he felt. He was given a real chance, and didn't win the job. He can get on with playing another position.

I am just saying, get the best players on your squad. If they are someone that wants to be a QB, but isn't the prototypical one. All you can do is allow him to compete, and then try to sway him.

And that would do NOTHING to stop the b8tching and grumblings from the So Fla community who feel that Treon should be starting, just like they b*tched when Marve struggled and ensured he was run out of town and Jacory was annointed. Not to mention the locker room divisions between the 305 boys, and everyone else. I said it before, and I stick by it, Treon was more of a potential problem than he's worth. IMO the BEST way this whole "offer" works, is if it was done out of "respect" to quiet things down, so we can go out and offer a 3rd QB in this class, and with the hope that he was never really going to take it.

Marve was terrible. Jacory wasn't great but he was a solid FBS QB. We have had better and we have had worse.

Watching Treon as well as the others, I think he is a much better player than anyone at QB we have other than Morris who is likely a NFL drafted QB.

Williams is terrible.
Olsen isn't ready yet.
Kaaya looks raw and needs a couple of years to develop at this level.
Rozier looks like a waste. He could be good in maybe three years so I guess a waste is a bad term but he is high risk high reward.
I am not sold on any of these QB's. I seen enough out of Treon to know he could be a player day one.

 

[Canesnation40]

https://twitter.com/RyanBartow/status/421297652328714240

As usual too late by this staff.

Why? He will never be major college quarterback, unless he is in an Auburn style offense. I kind of doubt we offered.

I completely disagree with that assessment. What can't he do that Russell Wilson was doing in Richmond? Treon is a legit 4.4 Football player. He has a decent arm. He has accuracy and throws with touch. Has high Football IQ. Russell was kicking our tail at QB in the pro style offense at NC State. Why couldn't Treon shine. He is much better than what we have coming back and are recruiting. Don't tell me Kaaya, I seen him and I am not impressed short term. Long term yes but he's not close to ready for ACC or SEC Football as a starter.

 

[dookie blaylock]

Didn't read all of the astute posters in thread post, but what a dumb *** late decision.

This is the move that should have been done from the get go. Get him on your team, and give him a shot to play QB. Also keep in his ear at the same time. That while you are waiting. This team could really use you at "X" position.

Who knows this kid, not being the prototypical QB, may surprise everyone. This is college, not the NFL. Get the best players that you can on your squad, and figure the rest out later.

The only thing that complicated this was that it's Ice Harris' kid and therefore, if they felt they were getting a crap deal, it may have started a broader issue. For that, I understood shooting Treon straight and sticking to that plan. Except, now we've decided to go against that plan 1 month before signing day. I guess we can pray for the miracle that this somehow ends up as a positive thing. Maybe Treon really, really, really wants to stay home.

I don't think it would become an issue. If you offer the kid what he wants, and you do your best to honor that. Treon is going to sit 2 years at FSU, at the moment. He has a chance here. To get his shot most likely after Williams, and if he felt. He was given a real chance, and didn't win the job. He can get on with playing another position.

I am just saying, get the best players on your squad. If they are someone that wants to be a QB, but isn't the prototypical one. All you can do is allow him to compete, and then try to sway him.

And that would do NOTHING to stop the b8tching and grumblings from the So Fla community who feel that Treon should be starting, just like they b*tched when Marve struggled and ensured he was run out of town and Jacory was annointed. Not to mention the locker room divisions between the 305 boys, and everyone else. I said it before, and I stick by it, Treon was more of a potential problem than he's worth. IMO the BEST way this whole "offer" works, is if it was done out of "respect" to quiet things down, so we can go out and offer a 3rd QB in this class, and with the hope that he was never really going to take it.

Marve was terrible. Jacory wasn't great but he was a solid FBS QB. We have had better and we have had worse.

Watching Treon as well as the others, I think he is a much better player than anyone at QB we have other than Morris who is likely a NFL drafted QB.

Williams is terrible.
Olsen isn't ready yet.
Kaaya looks raw and needs a couple of years to develop at this level.
Rozier looks like a waste. He could be good in maybe three years so I guess a waste is a bad term but he is high risk high reward.
I am not sold on any of these QB's. I seen enough out of Treon to know he could be a player day one.

stemo is projected 7th round right now, if he gets drafted at all. after this season, he's probably an undrafted free agent. rocket arm, pea brain.

 

[Canesnation40]

The only thing that complicated this was that it's Ice Harris' kid and therefore, if they felt they were getting a crap deal, it may have started a broader issue. For that, I understood shooting Treon straight and sticking to that plan. Except, now we've decided to go against that plan 1 month before signing day. I guess we can pray for the miracle that this somehow ends up as a positive thing. Maybe Treon really, really, really wants to stay home.

I don't think it would become an issue. If you offer the kid what he wants, and you do your best to honor that. Treon is going to sit 2 years at FSU, at the moment. He has a chance here. To get his shot most likely after Williams, and if he felt. He was given a real chance, and didn't win the job. He can get on with playing another position.

I am just saying, get the best players on your squad. If they are someone that wants to be a QB, but isn't the prototypical one. All you can do is allow him to compete, and then try to sway him.

And that would do NOTHING to stop the b8tching and grumblings from the So Fla community who feel that Treon should be starting, just like they b*tched when Marve struggled and ensured he was run out of town and Jacory was annointed. Not to mention the locker room divisions between the 305 boys, and everyone else. I said it before, and I stick by it, Treon was more of a potential problem than he's worth. IMO the BEST way this whole "offer" works, is if it was done out of "respect" to quiet things down, so we can go out and offer a 3rd QB in this class, and with the hope that he was never really going to take it.

Marve was terrible. Jacory wasn't great but he was a solid FBS QB. We have had better and we have had worse.

Watching Treon as well as the others, I think he is a much better player than anyone at QB we have other than Morris who is likely a NFL drafted QB.

Williams is terrible.
Olsen isn't ready yet.
Kaaya looks raw and needs a couple of years to develop at this level.
Rozier looks like a waste. He could be good in maybe three years so I guess a waste is a bad term but he is high risk high reward.
I am not sold on any of these QB's. I seen enough out of Treon to know he could be a player day one.

stemo is projected 7th round right now, if he gets drafted at all. after this season, he's probably an undrafted free agent. rocket arm, pea brain.

7th round still means you are drafted and the process hasn't started yet. My biggest issue with him is decision making. It's not rare in the NFL for QB's to have that issue but it is one nonetheless. I never liked him from day 1 but at value him much more than some on here do.

 

[GrozDozer]

https://twitter.com/RyanBartow/status/421297652328714240

As usual too late by this staff.

Why? He will never be major college quarterback, unless he is in an Auburn style offense. I kind of doubt we offered.

I completely disagree with that assessment. What can't he do that Russell Wilson was doing in Richmond? Treon is a legit 4.4 Football player. He has a decent arm. He has accuracy and throws with touch. Has high Football IQ. Russell was kicking our tail at QB in the pro style offense at NC State. Why couldn't Treon shine. He is much better than what we have coming back and are recruiting. Don't tell me Kaaya, I seen him and I am not impressed short term. Long term yes but he's not close to ready for ACC or SEC Football as a starter.

You, uh, should maybe lay off whatever drugs it may be that you're doing.

 

[Canesnation40]

https://twitter.com/RyanBartow/status/421297652328714240

As usual too late by this staff.

Why? He will never be major college quarterback, unless he is in an Auburn style offense. I kind of doubt we offered.

I completely disagree with that assessment. What can't he do that Russell Wilson was doing in Richmond? Treon is a legit 4.4 Football player. He has a decent arm. He has accuracy and throws with touch. Has high Football IQ. Russell was kicking our tail at QB in the pro style offense at NC State. Why couldn't Treon shine. He is much better than what we have coming back and are recruiting. Don't tell me Kaaya, I seen him and I am not impressed short term. Long term yes but he's not close to ready for ACC or SEC Football as a starter.

You, uh, should maybe lay off whatever drugs it may be that you're doing.

This is a terrible post. Watch the tape and the games. He is a total player. His skills translates. He doesn't have stiff hips like Kaaya.

Once again, tell me what he can't do we didn't see Russell Wilson at NC State?
Mobility? Better, Wilson was a 4.69 runner out of HS and Harris is a 4.48. Legit
Size? Wilson was 5'10 and Harris is 5'11
Elusiveness? Both have that and similar at the same age.
Arm strength? Both have that and similar at the same age.
Accuracy? Both have that and similar at the same age.
Touch? Both have that and similar at the same age.
Football IQ? Both have that and similar at the same age.

They play very similar with Wilson have a slightly bigger arm, while Harris is faster, quicker, and has played much better competition.

Both are underrated. Wilson was a two star and Harris was being told by some teams he isn't a QB prospect when he has all of the tools, mental, and skills to do it. So what he's short. He is elusive as ****. It shouldn't matter seeing his skill-set.

Look at NCSU v. Miami when Wilson was a Freshman:

www.dailymotion.com/video/xavv2w_game-wrap-ncsu-38-mia-28_sport

 

[GrozDozer]

So you're saying Treon is more game ready than Williams or Olsen both of whom have already been here training at a college level and learning the playbook and in Williams case playing a few snaps in games? And you're saying he is better than Kaaya who is believed by everyone to be one of the best 11 QB's in the nation and your basis for all of this is that he is similar to Russell Wilson in measurables. Ok dude.

 

[Canesnation40]

So you're saying Treon is more game ready than Williams or Olsen both of whom have already been here training at a college level and learning the playbook and in Williams case playing a few snaps in games? And you're saying he is better than Kaaya who is believed by everyone to be one of the best 11 QB's in the nation and your basis for all of this is that he is similar to Russell Wilson in measurables. Ok dude.

Williams is terrible. It doesn't matter what level he is on in terms of training. He just isn't that good.
Olsen is a polished player but he needs to improve greatly to be a good QB for us. If he doesn't which I've heard he hasn't, he won't be much of help to us next year.
Kaaya isn't that good. I've talk to scouts, he is valued for his potential. He looks like the next Jason Campbell and he is far away from his perceived potential. Stiff hips, needs to adjust his throwing motion, his throws could use more velocity. He is a prospect with good potential, it's his now I worry about.

How is he not like Russell Wilson? Please tell me, I am waiting. Just making statements about guys already being in the system and their ranking means nothing to me. These guys have Tyrelle Pryor and Garrett Gilbert as #1 recruits and Luck and Griffin as three stars. I don't give a ****. Watch the **** tapes. I want Football players, not guys who kill it at camps or Austin Appleby would be a great QB right now and a star.

[video=youtube;uOmvgTYa0uk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOmvgTYa0uk[/video]

 

[GrozDozer]

Ok Ice Harris. We'll just have to wait and see.

 

[Canesnation40]

Ok Ice Harris. We'll just have to wait and see.

Another terrible post. Please add content and value.

 

[CaneDro]

Man treon coming home (I hope) he's visiting the 31st right ?

 

[Canes581]

Ok Ice Harris. We'll just have to wait and see.

Another terrible post. Please add content and value.

The reason why hes not responding with content is because all your content is random numbers that dont mean anything. The difference between Treon and Russell Wilson is that Russell Wilson knows how to actually play quarterback. Treon is a playmaker, no doubt about it. I would love for him to be a cane. But to say hes just as good as Wilson because he has similar measurables is just crazy. Wilson is a supremely intelligent player with great footwork and ability at the quarterback position. No scout looked at Russell Wilson and said that he should be playing somewhere else while Treon isnt even listed as a QB on most sites. Also, this is just one thing you made up in your post, but you said that wilson was 5-10 and Harris is 5-11. Harris is 5-11 but at a scout combine in high school Wilson was measured at 5-11.5. Not a big deal, but just shows that you are making stuff up which is kinda childish.

You talk about how rankings are stupid and you used Tyrelle Pryor as an example. First off, Pryor was a very very good college quarterback. He may not have lived up to the hype, but he was good. But you put on his tape from high school, kid was a playmaker. More so than Treon. Treon is a very poor mans Pryor. Hes smaller with not nearly the potential that Pryor had. To make it worse, you make comments about RG3 and Luck and how they were poorly rated. You should fact check before spewing **** like that because Andrew Luck was a 4 star everywhere and was even a 5 star on scout. He was rated as a top 75 player in the country on almost all sites. And RG3 was a consensus 4 star. They may have done better than expected but its not like they were lowly rated players. You lose all credibility when you make stuff up man.

Sure Treon has the potential to be a great quarterback, but to think he can come in immediately and be great is just absurd, and the only basis you have to believe why he could do that is because he has similar measurables to Wilson. Thats just laughable. As many others do, I think Treon would be much better suited playing another position.

One more thing, if you honestly would take Treon at QB over Kaaya, especially in our offense, then you must be crazy

 

[rmcid]

I look forward to Treon faxing our staff a blank letter of intent on signing day with nothing but a giant smear of **** on it.

C'mon son. It's one thing to be frustrated and dismayed that our hurricanes are a ****storm. Totally another to be looking forward to it. Keep it together.

 

[towner4life]

I'm willing to bet that Treon Harris will be a more successful college QB than Olsen, Kayaa, and Rosier when it's all said and done barring injury to all of them. People can talk mess about his 5'11 stature and the style of offense he plays in, but you just can't account for his ability to make plays. Treon has shined whenever the lights were bright for 3 seasons in one of the most competitive places in the country.

 

[kperez4446]

I'm willing to bet that Treon Harris will be a more successful college QB than Olsen, Kayaa, and Rosier when it's all said and done barring injury to all of them. People can talk mess about his 5'11 stature and the style of offense he plays in, but you just can't account for his ability to make plays. Treon has shined whenever the lights were bright for 3 seasons in one of the most competitive places in the country.

towner do you think Chad and Jackson would flip to Texas Tech as being rumored, and is there any realistic shot in **** at landing Treon this late in the game?

 

[Canesnation40]

Ok Ice Harris. We'll just have to wait and see.

Another terrible post. Please add content and value.

The reason why hes not responding with content is because all your content is random numbers that dont mean anything. The difference between Treon and Russell Wilson is that Russell Wilson knows how to actually play quarterback. Treon is a playmaker, no doubt about it. I would love for him to be a cane. But to say hes just as good as Wilson because he has similar measurables is just crazy. Wilson is a supremely intelligent player with great footwork and ability at the quarterback position. No scout looked at Russell Wilson and said that he should be playing somewhere else while Treon isnt even listed as a QB on most sites. Also, this is just one thing you made up in your post, but you said that wilson was 5-10 and Harris is 5-11. Harris is 5-11 but at a scout combine in high school Wilson was measured at 5-11.5. Not a big deal, but just shows that you are making stuff up which is kinda childish.

You talk about how rankings are stupid and you used Tyrelle Pryor as an example. First off, Pryor was a very very good college quarterback. He may not have lived up to the hype, but he was good. But you put on his tape from high school, kid was a playmaker. More so than Treon. Treon is a very poor mans Pryor. Hes smaller with not nearly the potential that Pryor had. To make it worse, you make comments about RG3 and Luck and how they were poorly rated. You should fact check before spewing **** like that because Andrew Luck was a 4 star everywhere and was even a 5 star on scout. He was rated as a top 75 player in the country on almost all sites. And RG3 was a consensus 4 star. They may have done better than expected but its not like they were lowly rated players. You lose all credibility when you make stuff up man.

Sure Treon has the potential to be a great quarterback, but to think he can come in immediately and be great is just absurd, and the only basis you have to believe why he could do that is because he has similar measurables to Wilson. Thats just laughable. As many others do, I think Treon would be much better suited playing another position.

One more thing, if you honestly would take Treon at QB over Kaaya, especially in our offense, then you must be crazy

There was a ton of scouts who didn't think much of Wilson, out of HS, out of college, etc. Most though he was a great athlete and can play another position. Texas thought RG3 was a DB. Manizel for a DB. Andrew Luck was a three star across the board. So these scouts are flawed when it comes to HS talent anyway.

Treon isn't just a playmaker. He has decent arm strength, good RPM's on his passes, can throw with touch, great feel for the game, can move within and pass outside of the pocket, is very smart and his 4/1 TD/INT in a very competitive HS region shows that. This year more than last, he proved how much damage he can do within the pocket. His improvement was ample to say the least. Treon is a HS Sr. His footwork doesn't look much different than Russell as a Freshman(RS) at NCSU. I watched film on Russell as well. Russell wasn't this advanced out of HS as Treon.

Pryor wasn't special. He was just above average. He wasn't even what Braxton Miller is now which isn't great either. This is starting to remind me of the Teddy Bridgewater recruitment when I see a superior talent he crapped on for whatever reason. I seen us pass on Teddy and I don't want to see us make the same mistake again especially when we don't have anyone as good on the roster as it is.

Luck:
7th ranked QB
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/player/_/id/46522/andrew-luck

3rd ranked PS QB
http://247sports.com/Season/2008-Football/CompositeRankings?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool&Position=PRO

4th ranked RS QB Rivals
and five star on scout

RG3:
38th ranked QB
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/f...erback-pocket-passer/class/2008/view/position

5th ranked Dual QB
http://247sports.com/Season/2008-Fo...ngs?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool&Position=DUAL

4th star on scout and rivals

Treon is much smarter than Pryor. Pryor was dumb, didn't go through his progressions, didn't throw the ball with accuracy and mainly threw the ball when someone was wide open. Treon projects his throws, makes the smart decision and what not. I like said before, this reminds me of Teddy all over again. Fools claiming he's dumb, he's Jacory 2.0. smh.

I would take Treon in any system over Kaaya ten out of ten times.

 

[AUcane]

Ok Ice Harris. We'll just have to wait and see.

Another terrible post. Please add content and value.

The reason why hes not responding with content is because all your content is random numbers that dont mean anything. The difference between Treon and Russell Wilson is that Russell Wilson knows how to actually play quarterback. Treon is a playmaker, no doubt about it. I would love for him to be a cane. But to say hes just as good as Wilson because he has similar measurables is just crazy. Wilson is a supremely intelligent player with great footwork and ability at the quarterback position. No scout looked at Russell Wilson and said that he should be playing somewhere else while Treon isnt even listed as a QB on most sites. Also, this is just one thing you made up in your post, but you said that wilson was 5-10 and Harris is 5-11. Harris is 5-11 but at a scout combine in high school Wilson was measured at 5-11.5. Not a big deal, but just shows that you are making stuff up which is kinda childish.

You talk about how rankings are stupid and you used Tyrelle Pryor as an example. First off, Pryor was a very very good college quarterback. He may not have lived up to the hype, but he was good. But you put on his tape from high school, kid was a playmaker. More so than Treon. Treon is a very poor mans Pryor. Hes smaller with not nearly the potential that Pryor had. To make it worse, you make comments about RG3 and Luck and how they were poorly rated. You should fact check before spewing **** like that because Andrew Luck was a 4 star everywhere and was even a 5 star on scout. He was rated as a top 75 player in the country on almost all sites. And RG3 was a consensus 4 star. They may have done better than expected but its not like they were lowly rated players. You lose all credibility when you make stuff up man.

Sure Treon has the potential to be a great quarterback, but to think he can come in immediately and be great is just absurd, and the only basis you have to believe why he could do that is because he has similar measurables to Wilson. Thats just laughable. As many others do, I think Treon would be much better suited playing another position.

One more thing, if you honestly would take Treon at QB over Kaaya, especially in our offense, then you must be crazy

There was a ton of scouts who didn't think much of Wilson, out of HS, out of college, etc. Most though he was a great athlete and can play another position. Texas thought RG3 was a DB. Manizel for a DB. Andrew Luck was a three star across the board. So these scouts are flawed when it comes to HS talent anyway.

Treon isn't just a playmaker. He has decent arm strength, good RPM's on his passes, can throw with touch, great feel for the game, can move within and pass outside of the pocket, is very smart and his 4/1 TD/INT in a very competitive HS region shows that. This year more than last, he proved how much damage he can do within the pocket. His improvement was ample to say the least. Treon is a HS Sr. His footwork doesn't look much different than Russell as a Freshman(RS) at NCSU. I watched film on Russell as well. Russell wasn't this advanced out of HS as Treon.

Pryor wasn't special. He was just above average. He wasn't even what Braxton Miller is now which isn't great either. This is starting to remind me of the Teddy Bridgewater recruitment when I see a superior talent he crapped on for whatever reason. I seen us pass on Teddy and I don't want to see us make the same mistake again especially when we don't have anyone as good on the roster as it is.

Luck:
7th ranked QB
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/player/_/id/46522/andrew-luck

3rd ranked PS QB
http://247sports.com/Season/2008-Football/CompositeRankings?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool&Position=PRO

4th ranked RS QB Rivals
and five star on scout

RG3:
38th ranked QB
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/f...erback-pocket-passer/class/2008/view/position

5th ranked Dual QB
http://247sports.com/Season/2008-Fo...ngs?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool&Position=DUAL

4th star on scout and rivals

Treon is much smarter than Pryor. Pryor was dumb, didn't go through his progressions, didn't throw the ball with accuracy and mainly threw the ball when someone was wide open. Treon projects his throws, makes the smart decision and what not. I like said before, this reminds me of Teddy all over again. Fools claiming he's dumb, he's Jacory 2.0. smh.

I would take Treon in any system over Kaaya ten out of ten times.

xSurprised that RG3 was that low. Kid was a stud coming out of HS. I thought he was a 4-5 star kid, IIRC.

 

[sebastian91]

I personally don't see him playing QB at the next level, but I also don't see a problem with giving him a shot. There's some risk, as others have pointed out, that the local SoFla 'establishment' could present a problem if Treon isn't given the job at some point, but I'm not sure that it isn't a risk worth taking at this point. The 'establishment' doesn't seem to be very Miami-friendly right now anyway, so how much damage could really be done? I think the criticism of the way the staff has handled Treon is valid (if you're going to offer him at QB, why wait this long?), but the fact is we don't know the details of how it all came about.

All of that said, I disagree completely with the guy who says he takes Treon 10 times out of 10 over Kaaya in any system. That reeks of homerism and agenda.

 

[lauderdaleballer]

I thought Treon was just an athlete playing football until I saw him this season... The kid evolved as a passer... He went from option throws to legit passing progressions and reads... The kid has a good arm and can play qb... This is Teddy all over again if he sticks with FSU... The kid is accurate, precise and makes all the throws... I don't get where all this doubt is coming from... It's not like he has physically imposing wideouts... They play smurf ball and the kid gets the ball to them all over the field... The is legit and we're sleeping on him... At least the staff finally woke up...

 

[itsacanething]

It actually makes sense for treon to flip to us. Fsu depth chart jammed at Qb. Our job is basically open. If they promise him a fair shot he would be smart to come here.