So does vandy winning 2 out of the last 5

QuatroCane

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IIRC the conversation turned towards the fact that Vandy as well as Stanford, dole out academics scholarships to shore up their shortfalls due in part to massive endowments.
 

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put that whole partial scholarship excuse in the toilet, or am i missing something?
Do you realize that the AVERAGE scholarship PER student at Vanderbilt is approximately $57,000. Each student is receiving almost a full ride.

The only thing "in the toilet" is your reading comprehension. Vanderbilt has ZERO restrictions in baseball. They laugh at the NCAA..... The 11.7 limit does not apply when you can grant universal scholarships.

Stanford is going to be setting up something comparable over the next few years.

We cannot raise $10M towards Mark Light improvements and that is with the Di Mare family donating half of that.
 

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Vandys entire team is on full scholarships because of how they can use need based and manipulate other institutional aid.

It's been discussed a lot on here and every sec fan complains about it.

Vandy and Stanford are the two private schools with a huge scholarship advantage because of their huge endowments
 

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And obviously it'd be great if Miami could do that. But that'd be a long term goal because you'd have to quadruple the endowment to pull it off.

Short term Miami and the other schools that care about baseball need to push for the 11.7 to be increased to 15-17 at least
 

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The SEC will never acquiesce. Tuition at SEC schools is ~85% less than at Private Schools. The SEC's Foundations are just able to fund football and basketball payouts (i.e. "bags"). They cannot add baseball to the payroll.

As it is, public universities from Georgia, Tennessee, Florida and Louisiana can offer students minimal tuition requirements. University of Florida annual tuition is $6,381 versus $47,004 for UM. With a 3.0 GPA in Florida, Bright Lights provides $6,000 a year in aid for Florida students. Georgia's "in-state"scholarships are even more generous, and Tennessee's and Louisiana's are comparable to Florida's. Factor in rent and food costs and UM is at a colossal disadvantage.

Arkansas has tuition of $8,801 per annum, and it provides a $2,000 scholarship to in-state students, along with $5,200 from the average 11.7 scholarships. In-state baseball players can basically attend Arkansas for free......

Mississippi has the Nissan scholarship for in-state students and also the Mississippi Scholarships.....

Over three years, Miami baseball players pay $122,250 MORE in tuition alone. They also pay $48,000 more in rent and $23,400 more in food costs. That is why local UM baseball players live at home......

The NCAA President is from the SEC and he will never allow these rules to change............

Imagine Miami recruiting with an even playing field...............
 

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Colleges wouldn't even go for an additional paid assistant position. 11.7 is here to stay.
 

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For you guys who are seriously curious about this, don't even begin to listen to canesproponent and the numbers he pulls out of thin air.

Example: he wants you to believe that UM baseball players spend $650 per month in food costs. Think about that for a second.

Another example: he wants you to believe that UM baseball players are paying $1600 per month in rent......EACH!!! In other words, four baseball players are getting together and getting an apartment that costs $6400 per month. In case you're wondering, that would be the mortgage on a $1.3 million home.

Another example: he is still calling Florida's tuition program "Bright Lights" instead of Bright Futures and can't figure out that you need a lot more than just a 3.0 GPA to qualify.

His stuff is so stupid, yet we have people liking his posts.
 

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Over three years, Miami baseball players pay $122,250 MORE in tuition alone.
Here's another one. At Miami, Tuition + Fees will be $53,000 in 2019-2020. At 11.7 scholarships for 27 guys, that's .4333 of a scholarship each. Over three years, a baseball player would be left with $90,000 in tuition.

Okay.......if a player pays a grand total of $90,000, how on earth does he pay $122,250 more than someone at another school?

This canesproponent guy is unhinged (think DannyBoyCane), but we have fans lapping it up.
 

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Amazes me how fans here put more energy into making arguments and you excuses why Miami baseball can't be competitive today.why don't put our heads and money together and figure out a legal way to help get around the scholie limits.don't get mad vandy/Stanford have found a way around it.
 

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Amazes me how fans here put more energy into making arguments and you excuses why Miami baseball can't be competitive today.why don't put our heads and money together and figure out a legal way to help get around the scholie limits.don't get mad vandy/Stanford have found a way around it.
You literally need billions in new endowment capital. Our trustees view the football team as a nuisance. They are not focused on athletics.

UM's website shows tuition of $2,100 per credit hour. Assuming 30 credit hours per annum equates to approximately $63,000 in tuition per year, which is higher than the $47,004 estimate from Google. Vanderbilt offers aid to the vast majority of its students. That is how Vanderbilt is able to circumvent the limitations. From what is on the web, Vanderbilt averages somewhere between $40,000 and $51,000 per student that receives some form of aid, and anywhere from 64% to 75% of all students receive said aid. UM has approximately 11,117 undergraduates. If UM were to execute this, it would require a colossal amount of capital.

Eskew is receiving a "full scholarship". There are a few articles on the web about it. He also had stellar high-school grades, so am sure a large part of his total funding is academic scholarships.

If you Google Di Mare, Miami and scholarships, there is a Herald article where Di Mare discusses how they are now able to award greater merit-based scholarships to baseball players than in the past. The problem is that you cannot favor a given student AND you have Title IX issues as well.

There are numerous articles on the web on Vanderbilt and baseball scholarships. I posted them on this site prior to the season. Vanderbilt fully funds 75% of its baseball team's tuition.
 
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It doesn't take billions in endowments and those schollie limits are on every school not just miami.as a kid back in the 70s the Nebraska cornhuskers had a walk on program for offensive lineman.they used this program for 3+ decades.for Miami to be competitive you either have recruit elite talent who isn't worried about the cost of tuition etc.or the donors,fans,alumni, those in power can come up with a program to offset the cost of tuition,cost of living for those athletes.and when it is done other nonrevenue sports at university will also benefit by it.
 

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It doesn't take billions in endowments and those schollie limits are on every school not just miami.as a kid back in the 70s the Nebraska cornhuskers had a walk on program for offensive lineman.they used this program for 3+ decades.for Miami to be competitive you either have recruit elite talent who isn't worried about the cost of tuition etc.or the donors,fans,alumni, those in power can come up with a program to offset the cost of tuition,cost of living for those athletes.and when it is done other nonrevenue sports at university will also benefit by it.
You do not understand the magnitude of the problem. Am not sure how many credit hours baseball players take per annum, but we took 30 credits a year. If we assume 24 credit hours, then that is tuition of $50,400 per annum for UM students (versus $6,507 for FSU and $6,381 for UF). You cannot show preferential treatment to baseball players AND you have to prove everything is 100% equal among male and female athletic teams.

Vanderbilt gives aid of approximately $45,000-$54,000 PER student. When 74%+ of your students receive such sizable aid, then all Vanderbilt has to do is prove that its athletes are within the 25th and 75th percentile...... Yes, you have to find baseball players with makeups within those brackets, but then that enables you to give the outliers 0.75 of a full scholarship. [The ones within the 25th and 75th percentile band receive 0.25, or the minimum mandated by the NCAA.] That is how Vanderbilt does it.

Only two other private schools compete consistently in baseball, Texas Christian and Vanderbilt, and the reason for that is the 11.7 scholarship limits. Texas Christian has had two poor years in a row, so we will see how they fare going forward. Read USC's recent comments about the 11.7 scholarships. USC is much, much richer than UM, and they have 12 National Championships in baseball. USC publicly stated that they are going to challenge the NCAA on the 11.7 limits and the non-paid third coach. This may help us.

One last thing. To fund ONE scholarship at UM, you need to produce $50,400 per annum. Divide that by the 30-year yield of 2.55% and you need $2,111,647 per student. UM currently awards $21,079 in scholarships per student and 74% of the students receive these awards. You need another $30,000 in aid for approximately 11,000 students. At a 2.55% interest rate, that is an absurd number. Vanderbilt funded this when LIBOR was over 5%.

It is a COLOSSAL disadvantage...........
 
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Anyone who doesnt think Miami is at a distinct disadvantage with only 11.7 scholarships is in denial.
Yes. They are either in denial or are stupid.

Then again, when the #1 troll's occupation is "hotel guest services" at his uncle's motel, it is the latter not the former.

[Gnome spoke to Florida's AD today....... They hired Scott Frost! Wait! Wait! The AD called the gnome back! Gnome says that they are announcing Chip Kelly as Coach. Players notified! Go Gators!]
 

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I'm not saying Miami isn't at a disadvantage be cause of the cost of tuition,living costs etc.I was trying get smart minds together to come up with a legal way to help our on-demand sport athletes help in those areas and not just baseball.we can work together come with a program that helps them in that area and is legal.and when one is found you and the other negative cats here will be surprised at the amount of donations and who the donors are when one is found.
 

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I'm not saying Miami isn't at a disadvantage be cause of the cost of tuition,living costs etc.I was trying get smart minds together to come up with a legal way to help our on-demand sport athletes help in those areas and not just baseball.we can work together come with a program that helps them in that area and is legal.and when one is found you and the other negative cats here will be surprised at the amount of donations and who the donors are when one is found.

I honestly appreciate your enthusiasm but don’t you think they’ve already knocked in every door they can looking for ways to do all they can?
 

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I'm not saying Miami isn't at a disadvantage be cause of the cost of tuition,living costs etc.I was trying get smart minds together to come up with a legal way to help our on-demand sport athletes help in those areas and not just baseball.we can work together come with a program that helps them in that area and is legal.and when one is found you and the other negative cats here will be surprised at the amount of donations and who the donors are when one is found.
But there isn't a legal way. You can give XX number of scholarships per sport. Anything above and beyond those amounts is illegal. You're like the people who try to find systems to beat Roulette or sports betting. If there was a way, it would have been found by now.
 

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don't get mad vandy/Stanford have found a way around it.
Vanderbilt and Stanford help every student. They didn't just find a way to help athletes.
 
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