So, are we really gonna pay the going rate for an elite HC?

We've been paying two coaches salaries for years. Paid Coker while we paid Randy, paid Randy while paying Golden and we will be paying Golden while paying a new coach. The mismanagement has been mind blowing. Money isn't an issue, incompetence is.
 
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You don't have to worry about a elite coach because cristobal or schiano will be the next coach
It will be Cristobal and it will be the final nail in the programs coffin.

Agreed and it'll be an extra nauseating demise as the simpletons around the program jump for joy that he came "home" and that he "bleeds orange and green" (this time).
 
There's absolutely no reason Miami can't match schools like USC, TCU, Baylor, Etc. Salary wise.

I agree, and I think we do match them.

Keep in mind that TCU didn't start out paying Patterson 4+mil, Baylor didn't hire Briles at 3-4 mil, etc. They hired those guys at fairly low rates and gave them raises as they won. Which is what UM has traditionally done.

UM isn't going to steal Patterson from TCU at 4 mil, they're going to try to find the next Patterson and pay him 1.5 to 2 mil to start and give him raises as he succeeds.

This is exactly what we did with Coker--hired him cheaply and then made him one of the highest-paid coaches at the time (if not the highest paid) when he went to back-to-back NC games.

Almost everything you've said in this thread is baseless institutionalized nonsense that contradicts common sense.

Forking over 2 or 3 million dollars extra for a coaching staff would be as easy as UM sifting through its couch cushions for change. It would be penny wise and dollar smart, and would easily pay for itself through noteriety and the perks that come along with being famous after a year or two of winning.

You and dk, who I highly suspect are both on the current coaching staff or just flat out retarded, are clinging to the mast of a sinking ship, desperately trying to convine people to sink the life rafts and start helping bail the flood water with a measuring cup.
 
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And Donna did bring in the Moolah...for the academic side of things. The athletic fundraising and donations for UM is pathetic. Blame lies with all parties--Shalala, the atheltic dept, and the fans. But it's also a simple matter of the fact that we have a small alumni and donor base.

Again, the point is that you're asking for UM to fork over more money for coaching salaries than even Bama or UF or FSU does, since those salaries are paid by their boosters.



Please acknowledge the critical point Im making in this thread. UM (the skool) charges the athletic department full boat for every athletic scholarship. UM charges $44K per year in tuition and another $12K for housing and meal plan. The Athletic department has to pay the for every football player. That is ******* insane. So for you to say that there is a hard line between academic money and athletic money is disingenuous. First, UM is a private skool, they can move money around however they want as they aren't tied to public funding rules. And most importantly, they could discount the athletic scholarships to their cost level, which would help as well.



UM has 457 scholarship athletes on campus. If they discount their tuition by $4400, they would generate the additional $2 million needed to get their football coaching pay scale up to par. That's a 10% deduct off of UM's inflated $44K annual tuition. But they will not!!! This is a failure of UM leadership IMO.

Source: http://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/university-of-miami/student-life/sports/#
 
We don't have to match Alabama, Michigan and Ohio State. We should try and get in FSU's range (4.1 million) or Georgia's range (3.3 million) or Clemson's range (3.15 million) though.

With what money? Again, the main point is that our donor base is exceedingly small iin comparison to virtually every other program, which means that the university is already forking over a larger portion of coaching salaries than virtually every other (public) school.

It's a cute correlation you keep trying to make. Other schools that are public universities paying coaches via boosters has NOTHING to do with their or our ability to pay a certain rate. They operate via that method as a pure PR maneuver to avoid backlash from softies like you in their state that would stupidly scream and cry that taxpayer money was somehow going to pay a coach an "outrageous" salary.

Does your (and DK's) back hurt from constantly carrying Donna's water?

It'd be neat if you'd pay attention the facts instead of trying to get cute yourself. As is, you perpetually sound like you have no clue.

It doesn't matter *why* public universities work that way; what matters is that it is, in fact, the way they work. Many coaches at public schools in the FBS are not paid by the school, but by the donors--which puts the schools at a distinct advantage when hiring. Big donor schools can pay big money right out of the gate, while smaller, private schools have to start low and work their way up if the coach wins.

if you want to make a comparison, let's stick to other private schools that have the same model as us. TCU, Baylor, and USC have already been mentioned, and they operate a lot like us. We have a smaller donor pool than all of them, but we do pay in the same range as them, and on the same model as them.
 
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And Donna did bring in the Moolah...for the academic side of things. The athletic fundraising and donations for UM is pathetic. Blame lies with all parties--Shalala, the atheltic dept, and the fans. But it's also a simple matter of the fact that we have a small alumni and donor base.

Again, the point is that you're asking for UM to fork over more money for coaching salaries than even Bama or UF or FSU does, since those salaries are paid by their boosters.



Please acknowledge the critical point Im making in this thread. UM (the skool) charges the athletic department full boat for every athletic scholarship. UM charges $44K per year in tuition and another $12K for housing and meal plan. The Athletic department has to pay the for every football player. That is ******* insane. So for you to say that there is a hard line between academic money and athletic money is disingenuous. First, UM is a private skool, they can move money around however they want as they aren't tied to public funding rules. And most importantly, they could discount the athletic scholarships to their cost level, which would help as well.



UM has 457 scholarship athletes on campus. If they discount their tuition by $4400, they would generate the additional $2 million needed to get their football coaching pay scale up to par. That's a 10% deduct off of UM's inflated $44K annual tuition. But they will not!!! This is a failure of UM leadership IMO.

Source: http://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/university-of-miami/student-life/sports/#

I didn't acknowledge it because I don't believe that UM does anything different from any other "skool" in that regard. It's not different from FSU:

"Scholarships are not “given” by the university, nor are they “free rides”.

Scholarships are earned by the student-athletes who have an intense daily academic and athletic regimen. Scholarships are paid for by the Athletics Department -- more than $9.5 million per year -- and funded by Seminole Booster members."


Again, notice the importance of donations. UM's donor base for athletics is woeful. Don't blame the "skool" for not kicking in more money when other "skools" operate in exactly the same way.
 
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It depends partly on how much of a priority athletics/football is for the pres. and the BOT. Mid-range would be my guess: below academics, med school, research, world and community outreach, etc., but above quality of food in the cafeteria and a few other things. Actually, let's just stick it in there with "world and community outreach and enrichment of on- and off-campus experience."
 
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We don't have to match Alabama, Michigan and Ohio State. We should try and get in FSU's range (4.1 million) or Georgia's range (3.3 million) or Clemson's range (3.15 million) though.

With what money? Again, the main point is that our donor base is exceedingly small in comparison to virtually every other program, which means that the university is already forking over a larger portion of coaching salaries than virtually every other (public) school. FSU only pays Jimbo 225k, for example...the rest of that 4.1 mil comes from Seminole Boosters. Similar with UGA and Clemson.

Stop it. We have the money, and you're foolish to think we don't. We're paying Fatty 2.25 million. You really think we can't pay over $3 million? Come on. It's a myth that Miami doesn't have money. The reality is that Miami doesn't want to spend the money.
 
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We don't have to match Alabama, Michigan and Ohio State. We should try and get in FSU's range (4.1 million) or Georgia's range (3.3 million) or Clemson's range (3.15 million) though.

With what money? Again, the main point is that our donor base is exceedingly small iin comparison to virtually every other program, which means that the university is already forking over a larger portion of coaching salaries than virtually every other (public) school.

It's a cute correlation you keep trying to make. Other schools that are public universities paying coaches via boosters has NOTHING to do with their or our ability to pay a certain rate. They operate via that method as a pure PR maneuver to avoid backlash from softies like you in their state that would stupidly scream and cry that taxpayer money was somehow going to pay a coach an "outrageous" salary.

Does your (and DK's) back hurt from constantly carrying Donna's water?

It'd be neat if you'd pay attention the facts instead of trying to get cute yourself. As is, you perpetually sound like you have no clue.

It doesn't matter *why* public universities work that way; what matters is that it is, in fact, the way they work. Many coaches at public schools in the FBS are not paid by the school, but by the donors--which puts the schools at a distinct advantage when hiring. Big donor schools can pay big money right out of the gate, while smaller, private schools have to start low and work their way up if the coach wins.

if you want to make a comparison, let's stick to other private schools that have the same model as us. TCU, Baylor, and USC have already been mentioned, and they operate a lot like us. We have a smaller donor pool than all of them, but we do pay in the same range as them, and on the same model as them.
I have no clue yet you're the one connecting our finances to the method in which public universities pay their coaches. It has absolutely no effect on us other than to provide apologists like you an easy copout.

Yeah, let's take a look at Baylor, TCU and USC. Briles make $4.2, Patterson $3.5 base with massive incentives and Sark makes around $3 mil base with a bunch of sweeteners like a housing stipend.

Enjoy the rest of your evening crammed in Donna's little pantsuit pocket. Say hi to DK.
 
It's another strawman argument to throw out the 3 or 4 highest paid coaches and then shrug your soft shoulders and be like "Mmm we just don't have the same funds available. Mmmmkay I guess they're doing the best they can.".

Here's where some of you are so sadly wrong. The "elite" coaches you mention are college lifers. We've never had one of those - even when we were rolling. This job needs to be sold as your last stop before the NFL (Jesu Christo, Clappy reportedly even had NFL teams interested at one point). Get top tier guys with pro aspirations that'll give us 4-5 good years at a rate just below what the elite guys are getting and operate on that model. The second area where some of you give a pass is that we're maxed out at or near what we're giving Golden. I'm willing to bet that even Pitt is paying Narduzzi more than we pay Alfredo. There is absolutely no excuse that we can't be in the $4 mil per year range based on nothing more than the Adidas money and the ACC share. We are absolutely notoriously cheap no matter what some of the apologists would have you believe. Couple that with a complete disregard for the real cost/benefit potential of the program and you have a major component to why we've sucked for more than a decade.

We have had a couple college lifers -- Coker, Randy and probably Golden. We should NEVER hire a lifer. The social climber hunting for NFL HC job should always be our target. Hungry for pros just like the players is our winning combo. Frigging administration is lazy and does not want to work finding new coaches.
 
We don't have to match Alabama, Michigan and Ohio State. We should try and get in FSU's range (4.1 million) or Georgia's range (3.3 million) or Clemson's range (3.15 million) though.

With what money? Again, the main point is that our donor base is exceedingly small in comparison to virtually every other program, which means that the university is already forking over a larger portion of coaching salaries than virtually every other (public) school. FSU only pays Jimbo 225k, for example...the rest of that 4.1 mil comes from Seminole Boosters. Similar with UGA and Clemson.

Stop it. We have the money, and you're foolish to think we don't. We're paying Fatty 2.25 million. You really think we can't pay over $3 million? Come on. It's a myth that Miami doesn't have Miami. The reality is that Miami doesn't want to spend the money.

Have you read the thread? I never said we won't pay 3 mil for a coach. I said we won't pay 3 mil for a coach when he's first hired.

Our model has been, and likely will continue to be, that we hire folks at a moderate rate and pay them raises commensurate with performance. In Al's case, we hired him on at ~1.75 if memory serves, gave him a ~500k bump for handling the bad PR of the NCAA investigation.

We took the same approach with Shannon and with Coker before him. And with Davis and Erickson and Jimmy too.

Point being that only top-end schools with large donor bases can afford to fork over big cash right out of the gate. They can do so because the salaries they pay are often doled out not by the school but by donors. Most schools--particularly private schools--operate with the same model we do. We don't have the donor $$ to pay big money out of the gate. We have to start off moderately and hope that the wins come, so that people will show up to games and donate more money, which then will translate into a raise for the coach.
 
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We don't have to match Alabama, Michigan and Ohio State. We should try and get in FSU's range (4.1 million) or Georgia's range (3.3 million) or Clemson's range (3.15 million) though.

With what money? Again, the main point is that our donor base is exceedingly small iin comparison to virtually every other program, which means that the university is already forking over a larger portion of coaching salaries than virtually every other (public) school.

It's a cute correlation you keep trying to make. Other schools that are public universities paying coaches via boosters has NOTHING to do with their or our ability to pay a certain rate. They operate via that method as a pure PR maneuver to avoid backlash from softies like you in their state that would stupidly scream and cry that taxpayer money was somehow going to pay a coach an "outrageous" salary.

Does your (and DK's) back hurt from constantly carrying Donna's water?

It'd be neat if you'd pay attention the facts instead of trying to get cute yourself. As is, you perpetually sound like you have no clue.

It doesn't matter *why* public universities work that way; what matters is that it is, in fact, the way they work. Many coaches at public schools in the FBS are not paid by the school, but by the donors--which puts the schools at a distinct advantage when hiring. Big donor schools can pay big money right out of the gate, while smaller, private schools have to start low and work their way up if the coach wins.

if you want to make a comparison, let's stick to other private schools that have the same model as us. TCU, Baylor, and USC have already been mentioned, and they operate a lot like us. We have a smaller donor pool than all of them, but we do pay in the same range as them, and on the same model as them.
I have no clue yet you're the one connecting our finances to the method in which public universities pay their coaches. It has absolutely no effect on us other than to provide apologists like you an easy copout.

Yeah, let's take a look at Baylor, TCU and USC. Briles make $4.2, Patterson $3.5 base with massive incentives and Sark makes around $3 mil base with a bunch of sweeteners like a housing stipend.

Enjoy the rest of your evening crammed in Donna's little pantsuit pocket. Say hi to DK.

Serious question: Are you illiterate, or just being willfully ignorant?

I addressed Briles and Patterson's salaries in another post. Those guys did not start out making 4.2 and 3.5 mil respectively. They were hired at MUCH lower pay, and they were given raises as they progressed and won games.

This is the same approach UM has taken in the past, and the same approach we used with Golden.

Sark satrted out with a 2.75 base at USC--a school with a much bigger donor base than UM (about 28k more students, started 50 years before UM, which means exponentially more alumni).
 
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With what money? Again, the main point is that our donor base is exceedingly small iin comparison to virtually every other program, which means that the university is already forking over a larger portion of coaching salaries than virtually every other (public) school.

It's a cute correlation you keep trying to make. Other schools that are public universities paying coaches via boosters has NOTHING to do with their or our ability to pay a certain rate. They operate via that method as a pure PR maneuver to avoid backlash from softies like you in their state that would stupidly scream and cry that taxpayer money was somehow going to pay a coach an "outrageous" salary.

Does your (and DK's) back hurt from constantly carrying Donna's water?

It'd be neat if you'd pay attention the facts instead of trying to get cute yourself. As is, you perpetually sound like you have no clue.

It doesn't matter *why* public universities work that way; what matters is that it is, in fact, the way they work. Many coaches at public schools in the FBS are not paid by the school, but by the donors--which puts the schools at a distinct advantage when hiring. Big donor schools can pay big money right out of the gate, while smaller, private schools have to start low and work their way up if the coach wins.

if you want to make a comparison, let's stick to other private schools that have the same model as us. TCU, Baylor, and USC have already been mentioned, and they operate a lot like us. We have a smaller donor pool than all of them, but we do pay in the same range as them, and on the same model as them.
I have no clue yet you're the one connecting our finances to the method in which public universities pay their coaches. It has absolutely no effect on us other than to provide apologists like you an easy copout.

Yeah, let's take a look at Baylor, TCU and USC. Briles make $4.2, Patterson $3.5 base with massive incentives and Sark makes around $3 mil base with a bunch of sweeteners like a housing stipend.

Enjoy the rest of your evening crammed in Donna's little pantsuit pocket. Say hi to DK.

Serious question: Are you illiterate, or just being willfully ignorant?

I addressed Briles and Patterson's salaries in another post. Those guys did not start out making 4.2 and 3.5 mil respectively. They were hired at MUCH lower pay, and they were given raises as they progressed and won games.

This is the same approach UM has taken in the past, and the same approach we used with Golden.

Sark satrted out with a 2.75 base at USC--a school with a much bigger donor base than UM (about 28k more students, started 50 years before UM, which means exponentially more alumni).
Serious question, Champ- How does the convoluted method in which public universities pay their corches to shield from public backlash affect our finances? Is your individual ability to buy lifesize Fatheads of Donna affected one iota if DK buys his with money given to him by his grandma?

Second question, Skippy- How does the progression of other private universities to be CURRENTLY outspending us a) lead you to believe that we'll EVER catch up and be on even ground or b) are you just hopeful that we'll eventually be "competitive" because Donna instructed Flake to tell minions like you that?

I'll resume this little debate when your main points aren't based in what you hope will occur one day or are rooted in some false equivalency you try to make to the way public schools HAVE to function.
 
There's absolutely no reason Miami can't match schools like USC, TCU, Baylor, Etc. Salary wise.

I agree, and I think we do match them.

Keep in mind that TCU didn't start out paying Patterson 4+mil, Baylor didn't hire Briles at 3-4 mil, etc. They hired those guys at fairly low rates and gave them raises as they won. Which is what UM has traditionally done.

UM isn't going to steal Patterson from TCU at 4 mil, they're going to try to find the next Patterson and pay him 1.5 to 2 mil to start and give him raises as he succeeds.

This is exactly what we did with Coker--hired him cheaply and then made him one of the highest-paid coaches at the time (if not the highest paid) when he went to back-to-back NC games.

Almost everything you've said in this thread is baseless institutionalized nonsense that contradicts common sense.

Forking over 2 or 3 million dollars extra for a coaching staff would be as easy as UM sifting through its couch cushions for change. It would be penny wise and dollar smart, and would easily pay for itself through noteriety and the perks that come along with being famous after a year or two of winning.

You and dk, who I highly suspect are both on the current coaching staff or just flat out retarded, are clinging to the mast of a sinking ship, desperately trying to convine people to sink the life rafts and start helping bail the flood water with a measuring cup.

I laugh at crap like this. It's blatantly obvious that you guys have no clue how athletic departments are financed or universities are run.

Ah, we've got 2 or 3 mil just lying around in couch cushions? Then shouldn't UM be hiring more professors instead of depending on underpaid adjunts to teach classes? Couldn't they use that money to improve facilities for their academic departments? NAH, I know...they should fork it over to the athletic department to pay for a top-dollar coaches!

Fact is that athletic departments are black holes. Only a small handful of them stay above water--and all of those that do are public universities that generate a lot of donor funds. The ROI on sinking money into them is negligible at best.

Don't get me wrong--UM football helped to get UM on the map. But once you're on the map, the ROI lessens--then you have to turn your focus away from athletics to pour more money into academics in order to keep your place on the map. UNLESS, of course, you've got a big donor base...which UM doesn't.
 
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If miami can't manage their $45,000 tuition, $865 million dollar endowment or $100 million dollar athletic fundraiser, I don't see how that makes me the idiot.

The money is there. How it's wasted is the point of contention. A billion dollars doesn't just go whoosh into the night.
 
One thing to keep in mind: State schools like OSU, Bama, UF, etc depend largely on their athletic boosters and donors to fund their coaches' salaries.

Example: The state of FL caps state-funded coaches salaries at 250k, I believe. That means that FSU and UF in particular pay their coaches the multimillion dollar contract by way of the Seminole Boosters and UF Athletic Association, respectively. Here's the write-up about Jimbo Fisher's new deal, by which he'll get 225k from the state of FL and the bulk of 3-4 million/yr from Seminole Boosters, Inc.

Since UM has a much smaller donor base, UM is left footing the bill for a much larger percentage of coaches' salaries. Which means that it's nearly impossible for us to keep up with the big boys, particularly when it comes to making an initial hire. It becomes easier to justify it when a coach wins over time (that is, it's easier to pay a coach 2 mil now and hope that he wins, which would then increase ticket sales and merchandise, which would then help to fund any raise) than it is when you're talking about forking over 4+mil right out of the gate for an initial salary.

While the part about the donor base is true, I've had a powerful BOT member tell me that we could afford Nick Saban if we wanted to. The complication is that we do not allocate the necessary resources for a big time coach
 
We don't have to match Alabama, Michigan and Ohio State. We should try and get in FSU's range (4.1 million) or Georgia's range (3.3 million) or Clemson's range (3.15 million) though.

With what money? Again, the main point is that our donor base is exceedingly small in comparison to virtually every other program, which means that the university is already forking over a larger portion of coaching salaries than virtually every other (public) school. FSU only pays Jimbo 225k, for example...the rest of that 4.1 mil comes from Seminole Boosters. Similar with UGA and Clemson.

When the university is working with a billion dollar endowment, you're really making silly arguments at this point. Particular as it relates to the ESPN deal (which each school is netting close to $20 million) and the new Addidas contract which pays out a couple mil more per year. Miami probably needs to allocation another $2.5-$3 mil per year on salaries, which is definitely doable.
 
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