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So, are we really gonna pay the going rate for an elite HC?

SFBay, honestly I'd bet Golden's contract looks pretty similar in terms of structured bonuses, etc. I'm pretty sure there's nothing too extraordinary about the way that Jurich structures things; it's all pretty standard fare.

Again, the main difference is that Jurich seems to know how to pick winners (with the exception of Kragthorpe). But then, UL has a lot more money than UM to play with and to offer some big bucks to folks like Petrino and Pitino, because its booster give big bucks and Papa John is propping things up to boot.

Louisville sports received 28 mil in donations (contributions) last year, largely through the Cardinal Athletic Fund, their booster org.

Take a look at this:

"As you can see contributions make up the largest part of the revenue. These contributions include the donations from individuals, companies, associations, etc. For Louisville, this is mostly involving the university’s Cardinal Athletic Fund that individuals must may into to keep their seats. Initiatives like the CAF are very common, but Louisville is only one of two of the ACC schools listed that lists contributions as its highest source of revenue."


What do you think UM receives in donations from the Hurricane Club? I'm honestly not sure, but I can pretty well guarantee that it's significantly less than 28 mil.
 
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before we fire Al,we need a competent AD.......WE HAVE NOT HAD A TOP NOTCH GUY SINCE SAM DEPARTED
new AD will make decision on coach....
 
Pay Butch $3 million.

Give Butch $2 million to hire two coordinators.

Top talent evaluator, top recruiter, top coordinators = done deal.

And our President won't have to worry about UM success.
 
Yeah, let's be as stupid as O$Uck...Overpaying is what got us into this me$$ with Fataweenie Alfredo
 
MIATL513 said:
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsport...ntract-significantly-closes-pay-gap-on-saban/

The OSU just gave Urban a raise to match Saban and Harbaugh ...

So, that leads me to question how Miami will handle KEEPING the next elite HC will hire ... Assuming that's the goal for the program.

No doubt ... Finding the right guy to replace Golden is a definite priority. But the real question is, "Will we pay to keep him?" ...

I'm not interested in the "can we pay" debate ... This is a "will we pay" thread ...

Whether we pay a guy to leave his current Power 5 job to come to Miami, or hire the next "up and comer" from a mid-major ... If we ain't paying $5MM a season, he's likely gonna leave for a place that will. Then, we start all over ...

Why go that route? Playing "big boy" football means we'll be paying the "big money" to keep our coach, IMO.

So ... Based on that assumptive reality ... I'm guessing we hire an assistant or mid-major guy to replace Golden. Pay him more than his current school, and pay the new salary AFTER he wins.

I really don't think Miami will pay a big salary to get a coach from another Power 5 job. Because doing so means we're paying $5MM BEFORE he's won anything at Miami.

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The only though I have is how u actually have them the honor of calling them "the" Ohio state university. WTF
 
dk72 said:
CaneInHeelCountry said:
One thing to keep in mind: State schools like OSU, Bama, UF, etc depend largely on their athletic boosters and donors to fund their coaches' salaries.

Example: The state of FL caps state-funded coaches salaries at 250k, I believe. That means that FSU and UF in particular pay their coaches the multimillion dollar contract by way of the Seminole Boosters and UF Athletic Association, respectively. Here's the write-up about Jimbo Fisher's new deal, by which he'll get 225k from the state of FL and the bulk of 3-4 million/yr from Seminole Boosters, Inc.

Since UM has a much smaller donor base, UM is left footing the bill for a much larger percentage of coaches' salaries. Which means that it's nearly impossible for us to keep up with the big boys, particularly when it comes to making an initial hire. It becomes easier to justify it when a coach wins over time (that is, it's easier to pay a coach 2 mil now and hope that he wins, which would then increase ticket sales and merchandise, which would then help to fund any raise) than it is when you're talking about forking over 4+mil right out of the gate for an initial salary.
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Exactly. We don't have anywhere near the money to keep up with what the larger schools pay their coaches. Saban's enormous salary is largely paid by boosters and donors. In addition, it was boosters and donors that paid off Saban's multi-million dollar mortgage as well, not the school. UM doesn't have the alumni base and number of booster and donors that the large state schools have. It's not about Miami being "cheap", it's about a completely different level of available funds.
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dk,
What is UM's total endowment? This shows the entire University of Alabama system at $1.235 billion. The is for three universities totally nearly 60K it total student enrollment. And they find a way to pay Nick Satin over $5 million a year. Are you really suggesting that UM cannot afford to put an additional $2 million a year into its football budget???


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colleges_and_universities_in_the_United_States_by_endowment
 
SFbayCane said:
dk72 said:
CaneInHeelCountry said:
One thing to keep in mind: State schools like OSU, Bama, UF, etc depend largely on their athletic boosters and donors to fund their coaches' salaries.

Example: The state of FL caps state-funded coaches salaries at 250k, I believe. That means that FSU and UF in particular pay their coaches the multimillion dollar contract by way of the Seminole Boosters and UF Athletic Association, respectively. Here's the write-up about Jimbo Fisher's new deal, by which he'll get 225k from the state of FL and the bulk of 3-4 million/yr from Seminole Boosters, Inc.

Since UM has a much smaller donor base, UM is left footing the bill for a much larger percentage of coaches' salaries. Which means that it's nearly impossible for us to keep up with the big boys, particularly when it comes to making an initial hire. It becomes easier to justify it when a coach wins over time (that is, it's easier to pay a coach 2 mil now and hope that he wins, which would then increase ticket sales and merchandise, which would then help to fund any raise) than it is when you're talking about forking over 4+mil right out of the gate for an initial salary.
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Exactly. We don't have anywhere near the money to keep up with what the larger schools pay their coaches. Saban's enormous salary is largely paid by boosters and donors. In addition, it was boosters and donors that paid off Saban's multi-million dollar mortgage as well, not the school. UM doesn't have the alumni base and number of booster and donors that the large state schools have. It's not about Miami being "cheap", it's about a completely different level of available funds.
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dk,
What is UM's total endowment? This shows the entire University of Alabama system at $1.235 billion. The is for three universities totally nearly 60K it total student enrollment. And they find a way to pay Nick Satin over $5 million a year. Are you really suggesting that UM cannot afford to put an additional $2 million a year into its football budget???


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colleges_and_universities_in_the_United_States_by_endowment
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As I (and dk) pointed out...Saban's salary is paid almost entirely by Bama boosters--just as Fisher's salary at FSU is paid by FSU boosters and UF's coaches salary is mostly paid by their boosters. So UM is already starting out in a hole, since our boosters don't contribute nearly as much. This means that UM is already paying more of Al's salary than Bama is paying of Saban's. And you're asking that UM fork over another 2 mil/yr.
 
CaneInHeelCountry said:
SFBay, honestly I'd bet Golden's contract looks pretty similar in terms of structured bonuses, etc. I'm pretty sure there's nothing too extraordinary about the way that Jurich structures things; it's all pretty standard fare.

Again, the main difference is that Jurich seems to know how to pick winners (with the exception of Kragthorpe). But then, UL has a lot more money than UM to play with and to offer some big bucks to folks like Petrino and Pitino, because its booster give big bucks and Papa John is propping things up to boot.

Louisville sports received 28 mil in donations (contributions) last year, largely through the Cardinal Athletic Fund, their booster org.

Take a look at this:

"As you can see contributions make up the largest part of the revenue. These contributions include the donations from individuals, companies, associations, etc. For Louisville, this is mostly involving the university’s Cardinal Athletic Fund that individuals must may into to keep their seats. Initiatives like the CAF are very common, but Louisville is only one of two of the ACC schools listed that lists contributions as its highest source of revenue."


What do you think UM receives in donations from the Hurricane Club? I'm honestly not sure, but I can pretty well guarantee that it's significantly less than 28 mil.
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That was supposed to be what donna was good at - bringing in the moolah. What is UM's total endowment? Are you really suggesting that UM cannot afford to put another $2 million into its football budget?

Keep in mind that UM's athletic department gets charged full boat pricing for every athletic scholarship. That is total bull**** IMO. Its a huge part of why the athletic department cannot get its budget together. There is absolutely no reason why the Athletic department should have to pony up $60K per athlete for tuition, housing and meals. THAT is why UM is always at a disadvantage. Yet the bulk of the students at UM are getting some form of financial aid. The university rapes the AD on scholarships.

They have the money but UM has a policy that the athletic department alone must finance all sports. They force football and basketball (the only revenue generating sports) to have to pay for all the title ix nonsense. This is fixable if UM's board of distrustees wanted to fix it.
 
CIHC,
BTW - I thought the Steve Kraigthorpe hire was incredible. He was the hottest name in coaching at the time. I still do not understand why he didn't succeed at Louisville. But again, Jurich was able to lose a coach then immediately pick up the phone and land the hottest coach in CFB at the time. Goes to your point about Jurich's ability to pick winners.

Conversely, our AD once paid Chuck Neinas $80K for him to find us a top shelf replacement for Coker and all he came up with was a guy who was already on campus. That would be funny if it were anyone but UM. Sheesh.
 
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SFbayCane said:
CaneInHeelCountry said:
SFBay, honestly I'd bet Golden's contract looks pretty similar in terms of structured bonuses, etc. I'm pretty sure there's nothing too extraordinary about the way that Jurich structures things; it's all pretty standard fare.

Again, the main difference is that Jurich seems to know how to pick winners (with the exception of Kragthorpe). But then, UL has a lot more money than UM to play with and to offer some big bucks to folks like Petrino and Pitino, because its booster give big bucks and Papa John is propping things up to boot.

Louisville sports received 28 mil in donations (contributions) last year, largely through the Cardinal Athletic Fund, their booster org.

Take a look at this:

"As you can see contributions make up the largest part of the revenue. These contributions include the donations from individuals, companies, associations, etc. For Louisville, this is mostly involving the university’s Cardinal Athletic Fund that individuals must may into to keep their seats. Initiatives like the CAF are very common, but Louisville is only one of two of the ACC schools listed that lists contributions as its highest source of revenue."


What do you think UM receives in donations from the Hurricane Club? I'm honestly not sure, but I can pretty well guarantee that it's significantly less than 28 mil.
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That was supposed to be what donna was good at - bringing in the moolah. What is UM's total endowment? Are you really suggesting that UM cannot afford to put another $2 million into its football budget?

Keep in mind that UM's athletic department gets charged full boat pricing for every athletic scholarship. That is total bull**** IMO. Its a huge part of why the athletic department cannot get its budget together. There is absolutely no reason why the Athletic department should have to pony up $60K per athlete for tuition, housing and meals. THAT is why UM is always at a disadvantage. Yet the bulk of the students at UM are getting some form of financial aid. The university rapes the AD on scholarships.

They have the money but UM has a policy that the athletic department alone must finance all sports. They force football and basketball (the only revenue generating sports) to have to pay for all the title ix nonsense. This is fixable if UM's board of distrustees wanted to fix it.
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And Donna did bring in the Moolah...for the academic side of things. The athletic fundraising and donations for UM is pathetic. Blame lies with all parties--Shalala, the atheltic dept, and the fans. But it's also a simple matter of the fact that we have a small alumni and donor base.

Again, the point is that you're asking for UM to fork over more money for coaching salaries than even Bama or UF or FSU does, since those salaries are paid by their boosters.
 
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We don't have to match Alabama, Michigan and Ohio State. We should try and get in FSU's range (4.1 million) or Georgia's range (3.3 million) or Clemson's range (3.15 million) though.
 
Notsince1985 said:
We don't have to match Alabama, Michigan and Ohio State. We should try and get in FSU's range (4.1 million) or Georgia's range (3.3 million) or Clemson's range (3.15 million) though.
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With what money? Again, the main point is that our donor base is exceedingly small in comparison to virtually every other program, which means that the university is already forking over a larger portion of coaching salaries than virtually every other (public) school. FSU only pays Jimbo 225k, for example...the rest of that 4.1 mil comes from Seminole Boosters. Similar with UGA and Clemson.
 
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CaneInHeelCountry said:
Notsince1985 said:
We don't have to match Alabama, Michigan and Ohio State. We should try and get in FSU's range (4.1 million) or Georgia's range (3.3 million) or Clemson's range (3.15 million) though.
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With what money? Again, the main point is that our donor base is exceedingly small iin comparison to virtually every other program, which means that the university is already forking over a larger portion of coaching salaries than virtually every other (public) school.
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It's a cute correlation you keep trying to make. Other schools that are public universities paying coaches via boosters has NOTHING to do with their or our ability to pay a certain rate. They operate via that method as a pure PR maneuver to avoid backlash from softies like you in their state that would stupidly scream and cry that taxpayer money was somehow going to pay a coach an "outrageous" salary.

Does your (and DK's) back hurt from constantly carrying Donna's water?
 
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Kevin said:
What coach available would you give the "big money" for?
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We had a chance at Patterson once and lowballed him. Me personally now? There's absolutely no reason we shouldn't be in a place to make runs at coaches like Gary Pinkel and other guys his level- ie one step below the Urbies and Satan types.
 
canespimp433 said:
There's absolutely no reason Miami can't match schools like USC, TCU, Baylor, Etc. Salary wise.
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I agree, and I think we do match them.

Keep in mind that TCU didn't start out paying Patterson 4+mil, Baylor didn't hire Briles at 3-4 mil, etc. They hired those guys at fairly low rates and gave them raises as they won. Which is what UM has traditionally done.

UM isn't going to steal Patterson from TCU at 4 mil, they're going to try to find the next Patterson and pay him 1.5 to 2 mil to start and give him raises as he succeeds.

This is exactly what we did with Coker--hired him cheaply and then made him one of the highest-paid coaches at the time (if not the highest paid) when he went to back-to-back NC games.
 
You don't have to worry about a elite coach because cristobal or schiano will be the next coach
 
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