SIAP (Scrimmage Tonight?)

[canesstevealum08]

Dude dropped multiple dimes and was running around extending plays . Brinson and especially George had good scrimmages. Wr depth is a strength now.

Stevenson ok cribby?

 

[Cribby]

Stevenson ok cribby?

Hurt his wrist , precautionary tests. Should be good from what I was told

 

[canesstevealum08]

Hurt his wrist , precautionary tests. Should be good from what I was told

thanks!

 

[Torocane]

So because our starting QB who’s been in college fball since the beginning of time throws 60% in each scripted scrimmage our defense is in peril?? Please begin to address the whole post cause this comment didn’t do it…

Ok but do you at least acknowledge that underneath coverage has been an issue with Manny's defense? I mean the evidence of average QB'S carving us up underneath is there...can't really deny it. So why is it unreasonable for someone to be concerned when they see a consistent stat line from our scrimmages that suggest it is still an issue.

 

[Canegrad89]

In addition, King is a winner and a great leader. He brought much-needed maturity, stability and leadership to the QB room. Remember what it was like prior to his arrival?

 

[Torocane]

For Manny's style of defense, scrimmages don't play to the defense's advantage. His defense is predicated on getting to the quarterback and hitting him, causing havoc in the backfield. You can't do that in scrimmages, AND they don't blow these plays dead very aggressively in scrimmages when the QB would have otherwise been hit and sacked. Freaking out about scrimmages is just plain dumb. The only thing that matters about scrimmages is that we come out with no injuries. That's it and that's all.

So what happened to "Manny's style of defense"
during the games when he made all those average QB's look like all Americans.

 

[88]

Hurt his wrist , precautionary tests. Should be good from what I was told

Anything on defensive end?

 

[Torocane]

I agree with Macho. Bringing in TROB should allow Manny to be more aggressive with our CBs. Not only did we bring in TROb but we also brought in TS at CB. Now if it is still a talent issue, what happens in 2022 when we land a bunch of 4 and 5 star kids? Will they be allowed to run press man?

"Bringing in TROB should allow Manny to be more aggressive with our CBs"

Not if Manny doesn't believe in doing that.
hopefully thats not the case...we shall see.

 

[CaneDog66]

I remember last year Macho was exposing chinks in our armor as early as the UAB game and people ****ted on him. The man knows his stuff maybe we should listen.

Maybe we should lobby for him to be our next DC

 

[AllAboutTheU13]

I could give zero ***** about Barry Jackson or his articles. Inday texted me his article was ripping king and his nfl future and our talent from an " nfl exec". Yet we had five scouts at our first practice. Let's talk after next years draft

I was just reading that. Bolden, Mallory and Tyrique Stevenson have no chance to go in the top rounds? What?

 

[Canes1968]

So what happened to "Manny's style of defense"
during the games when he made all those average QB's look like all Americans.

They weren't getting pressure on the QB. You know, the thing this defense is predicated on.

The reality is, there weren't many instances of opposing QB's lighting up Manny's defense. We had the #1 pass defense in the country during Manny's last season as DC.

 

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When is the next scrimmage?

 

[423Hurricane]

As it should be, much is being discussed about Manny calling the D plays this year and we should expect the same results we’ve had when he was the DC. If Manny has shown us anything, it’s that he’s not averse to change.

I would venture to say, TRob will have a lot of input into how the DB’s play. Simpson will no doubt have his guys ready. And there’s an analyst on staff that’s hardly getting a mention - Bob Shoop. Maybe that’s a good thing.

 

[Go Canes!!]

So what happened to "Manny's style of defense"
during the games when he made all those average QB's look like all Americans.

How many is that exactly? All Americans I mean

 

[TemplarCane]

Only completed 6 passes and still destroyed us

Why pass whe you can run for 300+ yards?

 

[DMoney]

 

[Rellyrell]

The pass efficiency defense rankings (much better indicator) look similar. They improved all three years under Diaz the DC. Including first in the nation in 2018. They got worse the two years under Baker.

Passing Yards Allowed:
2016 - 2017 (Diaz) 47th in the Nation
2017 - 2018 (Diaz) 56th in the Nation
2018 - 2019 (Diaz) 1st in the Nation
2019 - 2020 (Baker) 18th in the Nation
2020 - 2021 (Baker) 65th in the Nation

PY/Completion
2016 - 2017 (Diaz) 6th in the Nation
2017 - 2018 (Diaz) 16th in the Nation
2018 - 2019 (Diaz) 15th in the Nation
2019 - 2020 (Baker) 72nd in the Nation
2020 - 2021 (Baker) 15th in the Nation

Rushing Defense:
2016 - 2017 (Diaz) 26th in the Nation
2017 - 2018 (Diaz) 43rd in the Nation
2018 - 2019 (Diaz) 42nd in the Nation
2019 - 2020 (Baker) 17th in the Nation
2020 - 2021 (Baker) 76th in the Nation

RY/Attempt:
2016 - 2017 (Diaz) 18th in the Nation
2017 - 2018 (Diaz) 23rd in the Nation
2018 - 2019 (Diaz) 23rd in the Nation
2019 - 2020 (Baker) 11th in the Nation
2020 - 2021 (Baker) 81st in the Nation

TFL:
2016 - 2017 (Diaz) 5th in the Nation
2017 - 2018 (Diaz) 4th in the Nation
2018- 2019 (Diaz) 1st in the Nation
2019 - 2020 (Baker) T-4th in the Nation
2020 - 2021 (Baker) 4th in the Nation

Sacks:
2016 - 2017 (Diaz) 22nd in the Nation
2017- 2018 (Diaz) 1st in the Nation
2018 - 2019 (Diaz) 9th in the Nation
2019 - 2020 (Baker) 6th in the Nation
2020 - 2021 (Baker) 32nd in the Nation

Total Def:
2016 - 2017 (Diaz) 20th in the Nation
2017 - 2018 (Diaz) 38th in the Nation
2018 - 2019 (Diaz) 4th in the Nation
2019 - 2020 (Baker) 13th in the Nation
2020 - 2021 (Baker) 67th in the Nation

Take from this what u want; however if u do the avg of both DCs from their 1st two yrs, Diaz has Blake beat in some categories & vise versa. The notion of getting better every yr under Diaz is not true. The outlier, which allowed Diaz to con his way to being HC was yr 3. I broke yr 3 down in another thread, and the level of incompetent offenses we faced in the 2018-2019 season makes The Washington Generals blush.

Both DCs had some set backs as 2nd yr DCs, it’s just that Baker’s step back was greater.

 

[Kansas Cane]

Jesus h Christ

Took the words out of my mouth. Getting Taylor was a big deal, now we are going to see and feel how big of a deal it is. Wow...

 

[Torocane]

They weren't getting pressure on the QB. You know, the thing this defense is predicated on.

The reality is, there weren't many instances of opposing QB's lighting up Manny's defense. We had the #1 pass defense in the country during Manny's last season as DC.

"there weren't many instances of opposing QB's lighting up Manny's defense"

that's debatable I think.


2016
Francois - 20/31 - 2 TDs - 0 int.
Trubisky - 33/46 - 2 TDs - 0 int.
Evans - 21/33 - 2 TDs - 0 int.
Kizer - 21/38 - 2 TDs - 0 int.
Jones - 34/50 - 3 TDs - 0 int.

2017
Woodside - 28/48 -3 TDs - 0 int.
Benkert - 28/37 - 4 TDs - 1 int.
Pickett - 18/29 - 1 TD - 0 int.
Bryant - 23/29 - 1 TD - 0 int.
Hornibrook - 23/34 - 4 TDs - 0 int.

2018
Can't statistically say any QB carved his defense that year

 

[canes732]

Ok but do you at least acknowledge that underneath coverage has been an issue with Manny's defense? I mean the evidence of average QB'S carving us up underneath is there...can't really deny it. So why is it unreasonable for someone to be concerned when they see a consistent stat line from our scrimmages that suggest it is still an issue.

That’s a problem with playing a bend but don’t break defense.