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Rellyrell said:
Thanks bro, & I knew that’s the angle u were going, & I agree w/ u to a point.

However, I like to think CFB teams to my former line of business, which was flipping homes. Some homes we would get in & out, minimum cost of purchase & rehab, but the return wasn’t great. There was one ambitious project that me & my guys took on; it seemed cool at first, until we found out the f’ing house was leaning & there was termite damage in the roof, & electrical that needed complete replacement. By far the most expensive flip ever, & the most timely, but it was also the biggest pay out we had ever made.

Just looking at all these coaches, here’s the 10 yr history (‘11 - ‘21) of each program they took over:

1. TCU: 88-53 (5 bowl wins (1-NY6), 2 Conf Titles)

2. USC: 87-49 (3 bowl wins (1-NY6), 1 Conf Title, 3 Division Titles)

3. UO: 103-37 (6 bowl wins (4-NY6), 4 Conf Titles, 7 Division Titles)

4. LSU: 104-28 (1 Nat Title, 6 bowl wins (3-NY6, 2 Conf Titles, 2 Division Titles)

5. UW: 85-50 (3 bowl wins, 2 Conf Titles, 4 Division Titles

6. Duke: 65-73 (3 bowl wins, 1 Division Title)

7. WASU: 67-60 (2 bowl wins, 1 Division Title)

8. UF: 87-46 (5 bowl wins (2-NY6, 4 Division Titles)

9. OU: 127-27 (5 bowl wins (3-NY6, 7 Conf Titles)

10. TT: 63-69 (3 bowl wins)

11. ND: 105-36 (4 bowl wins)

12. UM: 79-53 (1 bowl win, 1 Division Title)

13. UVA: 58-76 (1 bowl win, 1 Division Title)

14. VT: 84-59 (4 bowl wins, 2 Division Titles)

So based upon a 10 yr scope:

Teams with the most wins-
1. OU
2. ND
3. LSU
4. UO
5. TCU
T-6. USC
T-6. UF
8. UW
9. VT
10. UM
11. WASU
12. Duke
13. TT
14. UVA

Teams with most draft picks in the 1st 3-rounds:
1. LSU (46)
2. UF (30)
3. ND (29)
4. OU (24)
5. USC (23)
6. Washington (22)
7. UO (15)
8. UM (13)
9. TCU (11)
10. VT (8)
T-11. UVA (4)
T-11. WASU (4)
T-11. TT (4)
14. Duke. (2)

Teams with the most amount of accomplishments-
1. LSU
2. UO (*2 Nat’l Game Appearances)
3. OU (*2 CFP Game Appearances)
4. ND (*1 Nat’l Game, 1 CFP Appearance)
5. UW (*1 CFP Appearance)
6. TCU
7. USC
8. UF
9. VT
10. WASU
11. Duke
12. UM
13. UVA
14. TT

So yeah, we’re paying good money to not just rehab a program, but complete rebuild an old Victorian Home to its original features, b/c it’s been dilapidated over the years compared to other programs with the same cache. The $8m is a long term investment, not microwave results.
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The problem many have is the rebuild includes the Old Victorian offense including waiting on the milk man to drop off the weekly order vs having the refrigerator that can order everything for you through Alexa because the house structure is built Old Victorian but is 5G enabled…


…and the general contractor won’t change even though all the appliances fit the new build…
 
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Rellyrell said:
We should leave Riley out of this. Lol. Riley changed that entire roster, including the main driving force, his QB which was ready made for him. Dykes on the other hand, impressed.
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Cristobal had the same opportunity to flip this roster. Besides, it's not like he didn't try to do that--he brought in five DL transfers and 11 in total. Plus Cristobal's first round QB was already on the roster. Riley didn't have some advantage not afforded to Cristobal.
 
RiDLer80 said:
Cristobal had the same opportunity to flip this roster. Besides, it's not like he didn't try to do that--he brought in five DL transfers and 11 in total. Plus Cristobal's first round QB was already on the roster. Riley didn't have some advantage not afforded to Cristobal.
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Lol.
 
soooo.. Huepel shows its possible to have a rough 1st year and turn it around at year 2 and knock off Bama????!!!!! imagine that... but we suck bro.. Skys falling... fire everyone..
 
Cane44 said:
soooo.. Huepel shows its possible to have a rough 1st year and turn it around at year 2 and knock off Bama????!!!!! imagine that... but we suck bro.. Skys falling... fire everyone..
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Pruitt was 3-8 in 2020. huepel took over and was 7-6 in 2021. 4 of the 6 losses came to ranked teams at the time. Also lost to Purdue (9-4) and Pitt (11-3). That is not a rough year, it is a much improved year and Now they are cooking
 
Rellyrell said:
Most 1st yr coaches, especially one w pedigree, gets a 1st yr bump. ****, we went 6-7 in 2019 & even Diaz got a bump w/ the 11th ranked class. Golden, under sanctions, going 6-6 got a bump w/ the 10th ranked class. Richt, after a 4 game losing streak in the middle of the season, got a 1st yr bump after a 9-4 season w/ the #12 class.

I’m just saying, most recruits see a failed season at a big school as a means for hope & early playing time. ****, Scott Frost, after going 4-8 had a recruiting bump 1st yr.

I just don’t see a mass exodus coming; I’m pretty sure Mario has made it known how these young men can come in, & make a significant difference w/ PT. We’ll see, bro.
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Just saw this... remember I beez retired and get up late, lol.
I'm gonna take your word on the bump factor since U'r the expert. But still let me bring this up... didn't Manny have a recruiting class ranked in the 30's and might that be a factor to where we are today with talent?
 
gruntking said:
Just saw this... remember I beez retired and get up late, lol.
I'm gonna take your word on the bump factor since U'r the expert. But still let me bring this up... didn't Manny have a recruiting class ranked in the 30's and might that be a factor to where we are today with talent?
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No, he didn’t have a recruiting class ranked in the 30’s, but might as well have been. Lol.

There’s two classes that completely f’d us over during the Richt/Manny era; the classes of ‘18 & ‘19. On paper, those classes were ranked 8th & 17th, respectively.

The class of ‘18 had 23 commits.

We lost the following players via transfer
-Lingard (5 star)
-Hightower (4 star)
-Ezzard (4 star)
-Williams (4 star)
-Reed (4 star)
-Hall (4 star)
-Silvera (4 star - #2 DT)
-Pope (4 star)
-George (3 star - #2 FB)
-Bethel (3 star)
-Baxa (3 star)
-Wiggins (3 star)
-Joyner (3 star)

Out of the 23, we were left w/:
-GR15 (left for the NFL)
-B Jordan (left for the NFL)
-Harris (left early)
-Mallory (4 star)
-Scaife (4 star)
-Frierson (4 star)
-Blades Jr (4 star)
-Ivey (4 star)
-Campbell (3 star)
-Miller (3 star)

From that “vaunted” class of 2018, we had a 15 blue chip recruits w/ a 33% hit ratio. The class of ‘18 would be our RS-Sr class leadership.

Class of ‘19:
Signed 18 players

Transfers:
-Payton (4 star)
-Christian Williams (4 star)
-Cameron Williams (3 star)
-Brooks (3 star)
-Hodges (3 star)
-Holley (3 star)

Retired:
Blissett (4 star)

That left us w/:
-Smith (4 star)
-Huff (4 star)
-Harvey (4 star)
-Couch (4 star)
-JHH (3 star)
-Traore (3 star)
-El Gammal (3 star)
-Nelson (3 star)
-Clark (3 star)
-Matocha (3 star)
-Hedley (3 star)

The class of ‘19 would be our Senior leaders; we signed 7 blue chips, and had a hit ratio of 42%

This is y it’s important to stop looking at 247’s blue chip %, b/c that % is on paper only. If ur roster is 55%, then that ur evals need to be at an Uber elite level. Majority of the time, 1 out of 4 are not going to pan out, so now that 25% deducted from that bottom line. That’s y it’s important to overload ur roster w/ blue chips, b/c if 1 out of 4 don’t pant u still have a plethora of blue chips that make up majority of ur roster.
 
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RiDLer80 said:
Cristobal had the same opportunity to flip this roster. Besides, it's not like he didn't try to do that--he brought in five DL transfers and 11 in total. Plus Cristobal's first round QB was already on the roster. Riley didn't have some advantage not afforded to Cristobal.
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Ehhh, he kinda did.

1. Let’s compare QB situations.
-One QB was entering a system he already knew
-One QB had to learn a new offense

Advantage: Riley

2. Let compare the WR situation
-One coach brought over not one, not two, but three blue chip WRs w/ him. One of said blue chips played for him, the other was bff w/ the QB on the roster, & the other’s God Father is a USC legend

-One coach lost 2 of the teams most productive WRs, & b/c of attrition and lack of recruiting, was left w/ a mess in that room.

Advantage: Riley

3. DL room
This is where we have a clear advantage, & the stats verify. Our sacks & sack per play ratio just using the front 4 has been very good, & we’re T-7th in sacks, 14th in rushing defense, 16th in TFLs, & 28th in scoring defense, all of which are significant improvements w/ the exception of TFLs as we were 8th last season & that’s Diaz’s bread & butter.

So the transfer portal on def was to our advantage, but come on, u’re talking about a coach who is an offensive mastermind, bringing over guys from his old spot, familiar w/ the system, along w/ cherry picking commits from his old spot to flip, & some portal indiscretions to shore up the team’s O.

Quite frankly, Riley had a monopoly on the portal from an offensive side, & everyone knew that. We had no shot w/ Gibbs who was already a Bama guy prior to GT. Burton was a kid committed to us yrs ago b4 flipping to UGA, but he was about that $EC life. So who did we realistically have a shot at on offense?
 
Angry Ibis said:
The problem many have is the rebuild includes the Old Victorian offense including waiting on the milk man to drop off the weekly order vs having the refrigerator that can order everything for you through Alexa because the house structure is built Old Victorian but is 5G enabled…


…and the general contractor won’t change even though all the appliances fit the new build…
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Well, b4 I criticize the contractor, imma wait til the parts come in.

WR1 - out
WR2 - out
RB 1 - out
RB 2 - out
OL - ooof, injuries & talent
TE 2 - out & now
TE 1 - out

That makes for a very tough build.
 
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Rellyrell said:
No, he didn’t have a recruiting class ranked in the 30’s, but might as well been. Lol.

There’s two classes that completely f’d us over during the Richt/Manny era; the classes of ‘18 & ‘19. On paper, those classes were ranked 8th & 17th, respectively.

The class of ‘18 had 23 commits.

We lost the following players via transfer
-Lingard (5 star)
-Hightower (4 star)
-Ezzard (4 star)
-Williams (4 star)
-Reed (4 star)
-Hall (4 star)
-Silvera (4 star - #2 DT)
-Pope (4 star)
-George (3 star - #2 FB)
-Bethel (3 star)
-Baxa (3 star)
-Wiggins (3 star)
-Joyner (3 star)

Out of the 23, we were left w/:
-GR15 (left for the NFL)
-B Jordan (left for the NFL)
-Harris (left early)
-Mallory (4 star)
-Scaife (4 star)
-Frierson (4 star)
-Blades Jr (4 star)
-Ivey (4 star)
-Campbell (3 star)
-Miller (3 star)

From that “vaunted” class of 2018, we had a 15 blue chip recruits w/ a 33% hit ratio. The class of ‘18 would be our RS-Sr class leadership.

Class of ‘19:
Signed 18 players

Transfers:
-Payton (4 star)
-Christian Williams (4 star)
-Cameron Williams (3 star)
-Brooks (3 star)
-Hodges (3 star)
-Holley (3 star)

Retired:
Blissett (4 star)

That left us w/:
-Smith (4 star)
-Huff (4 star)
-Harvey (4 star)
-Couch (4 star)
-JHH (3 star)
-Traore (3 star)
-El Gammal (3 star)
-Nelson (3 star)
-Clark (3 star)
-Matocha (3 star)
-Hedley (3 star)

The class of ‘19 would be our Senior leaders; we signed 7 blue chips, and had a hit ratio of 42%

This is y it’s important to stop looking at 247’s blue chip %, b/c that % is on paper only. If ur roster is 55%, then that ur evals need to be at an Uber elite level. Majority of the time, 1 out of 4 are not going to pan out, so now that 25% deducted from that bottom line. That’s y it’s important to overload ur roster w/ blue chips, b/c if 1 out of 4 don’t pant u still have a plethora of blue chips that make up majority of ur roster.
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I'm basing the 30ish recruiting ranking on something that OriginalGatorHater said/posted a couple of years ago, and I remember looking it up at the time and he was correct. LOL, OGH was a major Manny hater and he always tried to supply us with proof why he felt that way.
Regardless... thanks for all the fine info you post Mr. WikiRellyrell.
 
gruntking said:
I'm basing the 30ish recruiting ranking on something that OriginalGatorHater said/posted a couple of years ago, and I remember looking it up at the time and he was correct. LOL, OGH was a major Manny hater and he always tried to supply us with proof why he felt that way.
Regardless... thanks for all the fine info you post Mr. WikiRellyrell.
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Yeah, we shared that in common. Lol. My biggest problems w/ Manny was his propensity of thinking he was the smartest in the room, coming from a failed regime that had locker room issues, his subtle jabs at Richt upon taking the job (but now it’s come to light that Richt didn’t choose him vs. forced upon him), & his entirely lazy recruiting process.
 
Rellyrell said:
Oh I know; but I will continue to be a beacon of light & just stick to the facts w/o emotions.

The narrative of the ACC being this suck *** conference is wild; our TV deal should be a lucrative one. We’re literally the arch nemesis to the SEC in **** near every sport, both revenue & non revenue generating.

Also, there’s a helluva log jam at the 3 loss column for 1st yr coaches, & u’ll find that same log jam for those 1st yr coaches from last season.
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this is CIS.

experience, evidence, and knowledge are not important.

agendas and narratives are.
 
RiDLer80 said:
Cristobal had the same opportunity to flip this roster. Besides, it's not like he didn't try to do that--he brought in five DL transfers and 11 in total. Plus Cristobal's first round QB was already on the roster. Riley didn't have some advantage not afforded to Cristobal.
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He didn’t? He brought a first round QB who had already been in his system with him. That’s a massive advantage.
 
Rellyrell said:
Ehhh, he kinda did.

1. Let’s compare QB situations.
-One QB was entering a system he already knew
-One QB had to learn a new offense

Advantage: Riley

2. Let compare the WR situation
-One coach brought over not one, not two, but three blue chip WRs w/ him. One of said blue chips played for him, the other was bff w/ the QB on the roster, & the other’s God Father is a USC legend

-One coach lost 2 of the teams most productive WRs, & b/c of attrition and lack of recruiting, was left w/ a mess in that room.

Advantage: Riley

3. DL room
This is where we have a clear advantage, & the stats verify. Our sacks & sack per play ratio just using the front 4 has been very good, & we’re T-7th in sacks, 14th in rushing defense, 16th in TFLs, & 28th in scoring defense, all of which are significant improvements w/ the exception of TFLs as we were 8th last season & that’s Diaz’s bread & butter.

So the transfer portal on def was to our advantage, but come on, u’re talking about a coach who is an offensive mastermind, bringing over guys from his old spot, familiar w/ the system, along w/ cherry picking commits from his old spot to flip, & some portal indiscretions to shore up the team’s O.

Quite frankly, Riley had a monopoly on the portal from an offensive side, & everyone knew that. We had no shot w/ Gibbs who was already a Bama guy prior to GT. Burton was a kid committed to us yrs ago b4 flipping to UGA, but he was about that $EC life. So who did we realistically have a shot at on offense?
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I'll give you that Williams already knows the system so that helps him. I won't give you that Riley has an advantage because of the WRs.

You know why Mario Williams and Addison transferred into USC, because Riley has a system that WRs want to play in. Cristobal had a WR transfer out of Oregon when he left, but instead of choosing to follow Cristobal to Miami, he went to FSU because Cristobal runs a dog**** system.

Also, there other portal WRs available, granted not as good as Williams or Addison, but still WRs available. Still, none worth a **** chose to come here despite Miami having the most visible NIL program in the country. Cristobal gets no sympathy because he couldn't land an impact portal-WR. He's an ace recruiter, right? That's what he does, but he didn't get the job done there.
 
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Rellyrell said:
Well, b4 I criticize the contractor, imma wait til the parts come in.

WR1 - out
WR2 - out
RB 1 - out
RB 2 - out
OL - ooof, injuries & talent
TE 2 - out & now
TE 1 - out

That makes for a very tough build.
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In fairness,

- Parrish and Rooster have been here, and Chaney and Citizen have been out long enough to adjust away from ground and pound
- Mallory has been here and Arroyo just went out
- X is a big loss
- George didn’t play enough to be a loss
- WR — took 5 weeks to get Ladson and Young moving

Some of that is parts, some of it is contractor.

The contractor chose to use an electrician to fix the plumbing for 4 weeks…

The contractor also seemed just happy to be able to get a permit in College Station vs finishing the build…

We have all the resources now to build a modern estate. Let’s make it easy on ourselves and use the parts we have while the supply chain issues are fixed.
 
Angry Ibis said:
In fairness,

- Parrish and Rooster have been here, and Chaney and Citizen have been out long enough to adjust away from ground and pound
- Mallory has been here and Arroyo just went out
- X is a big loss
- George didn’t play enough to be a loss
- WR — took 5 weeks to get Ladson and Young moving
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Definitely doesn’t absolve the coaches but the way this affects depth and gameplanning generally also shouldn’t be undersold.
 
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