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I get having an opinion but man it's ok to be wrong. Walton is the better college back and I'm sure if you factor everything in he's going to go higher in the draft than Scarlett. Jesus most of us were dead wrong on our preference of the two but undeniably I wanted Walton too. It's the other side of the Yearby Cook debate and we won this one. The jack of all trades Walton beats the master of one in Scarlett. Point blank period.
 
bshaw28 said:
Mahoney-Pearson said:
bshaw28 said:
OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
bshaw28 said:
I'd still go all in on Scarlett being better than Walton. It's always been that way, and it's pretty obvious when you watch the 2 play.

This isn't a good thread bump for BigDikCane. He starts by going all in on Walton over Scarlett, then later says Yearby would start over Cook, after their Freshman years in college. Yikes
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The "yikes" is you putting a bust like Scarlett ahead of Walton.

If that's not proof of your delusional hatred, I don't know what is.
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I went through all this with Yearby vs. Cook when Yearby was getting more carries and putting up more yards in HS. When you watched them, the difference was obvious. I never understood what people were watching, only that Yearby was going to Miami.

It's a smaller gap in the Scarlett vs. Walton comparison, but still obvious when you watch them. And I think people have the orange & green blinders on here too.

Walton has Scarlett killed in TD's in receiving, no question. But UF doesn't throw to their RB's, their passing offense has been terrible, and they play a tougher schedule. Despite that, Scarlett only had 228 less yards on 30 less carries. Not sure how that makes Scarlett a "bust".

When you watch them run, Scarlett's superior athleticism, speed, physicality, and running ability is obvious. Time will tell, but I'm pretty confident that Scarlett is the better RB.
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Nah, Scartlett runs too upright, isn't physical, and other than his above average speed doesn't have elite talent or great feel for the position. Walton is a tough RB with elite balance, elusiveness, and good feel for the position, who's been running behind offensive lines degrees worse than UF's and FSU's over the last several years. Despite the gap in Oline talent, Walton's production has been way better than JS and that's credit to Mark's work ethic, ability and determination..

I'm not sure what you're watching...

BTW, I've always thought DC was better than JY but you have to credit FSU's system and talent for Dalvin's production. JS, JY, and MW could have performed similarly to what DC has done at FSU given the opportunity in the same system, IMO.
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I totally understand if people think Walton is better than Scarlett, it's just not my opinion.

For the OL - in the last 2 years in the draft - Florida has had 1 4th rounder, Miami has had 1 5th rounder, and FSU has had 1 5th rounder. Both UF & FSU gave up more sacks than Miami in both 2016 & 2015. UF was dead last, ranked 128th in sacks allowed in 2015. I would say the OL has been pretty even.

I think you're underselling Cook. Yes, FSU definitely had the best system to play in. But Cook was a high 2nd round NFL draft pick while Yearby didn't even get invited to the NFL combine. If Cook had gone to Miami and Yearby & Walton had gone to FSU, we'd be on a 3 game win streak vs. FSU right now. Cook single handedly beat Miami all 3 years he was at FSU.
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I don't think it was incredulous or foolish to think Walton was not as good a RB recruit as Scarlett 2 or 3 years ago. That being said, I am astonished at the inability to change your mind in light of the last two years of on-the-field performance at the collegiate level.

On that note, respect to [MENTION=1165]Dwinstitles[/MENTION] for showing up and admitting you were wrong. You could have ignored the thread or stuck to your guns, but you didn't and I respect that.
 
Canes1087 said:
I get having an opinion but man it's ok to be wrong. Walton is the better college back and I'm sure if you factor everything in he's going to go higher in the draft than Scarlett. Jesus most of us were dead wrong on our preference of the two but undeniably I wanted Walton too. It's the other side of the Yearby Cook debate and we won this one. The jack of all trades Walton beats the master of one in Scarlett. Point blank period.
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I totally agree Walton has been more productive to this point. But I don't think the argument is over between the two yet. I could be dead wrong - but I still project Scarlett to end up as the better RB.

Here's the thing - on this board, I'm an idiot. Outside of this board, my opinion is in the majority.

Example - I googled "nfl draft rb rankings 2018" and here's the first results I got:

10 RB's ranked, Scarlett N/A, Walton N/A - 2018 NFL Draft: Preseason RB rankings | Draft Breakdown
17 RB's ranked, Scarlett N/A, Walton N/A - Top RB Prospects 2018 NFL Draft - | NFL Draft 2018 Running Back Rankings |
10 RB's ranked, Scarlett N/A, Walton N/A - Ranking the top RBs in 2018 NFL Draft for Eagles | Saquon Barkley, Nick Chubb, Derrius Guice | NJ.com
10 RB's ranked, Scarlett N/A, Walton N/A - 2018 NFL Draft Big Board: Matt Miller'''s Way-Too-Early Initial Rankings | Bleacher Report
13 RB's ranked, Scarlett N/A, Walton N/A -NFL Draft - 2018 NFL Draft Prospects - CBSSports.com Football
15 RB's ranked, Scarlett #15 , Walton N/A - http://draftwire.usatoday.com/2017/05/06/2018-nfl-draft-early-watch-list-running-backs/6/
20 RB's ranked, Scarlett #13 , Walton N/A - http://walterfootball.com/draft2018RB.php

I think it's close (to this point), and I totally see people favoring Walton, but I think the argument isn't over yet, and I'm betting on Scarlett. If you said Walton is the better college RB, but Scarlett is the better pro prospect, I wouldn't argue against that.

If it's so clearly Walton, why would Scarlett show up on 2 of these lists and Walton be on none?
 
bshaw28 said:
Canes1087 said:
I get having an opinion but man it's ok to be wrong. Walton is the better college back and I'm sure if you factor everything in he's going to go higher in the draft than Scarlett. Jesus most of us were dead wrong on our preference of the two but undeniably I wanted Walton too. It's the other side of the Yearby Cook debate and we won this one. The jack of all trades Walton beats the master of one in Scarlett. Point blank period.
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I totally agree Walton has been more productive to this point. But I don't think the argument is over between the two yet. I could be dead wrong - but I still project Scarlett to end up as the better RB.

Here's the thing - on this board, I'm an idiot. Outside of this board, my opinion is in the majority.

Example - I googled "nfl draft rb rankings 2018" and here's the first results I got:

10 RB's ranked, Scarlett N/A, Walton N/A - 2018 NFL Draft: Preseason RB rankings | Draft Breakdown
17 RB's ranked, Scarlett N/A, Walton N/A - Top RB Prospects 2018 NFL Draft - | NFL Draft 2018 Running Back Rankings |
10 RB's ranked, Scarlett N/A, Walton N/A - Ranking the top RBs in 2018 NFL Draft for Eagles | Saquon Barkley, Nick Chubb, Derrius Guice | NJ.com
10 RB's ranked, Scarlett N/A, Walton N/A - 2018 NFL Draft Big Board: Matt Miller'''s Way-Too-Early Initial Rankings | Bleacher Report
13 RB's ranked, Scarlett N/A, Walton N/A -NFL Draft - 2018 NFL Draft Prospects - CBSSports.com Football
15 RB's ranked, Scarlett #15 , Walton N/A - http://draftwire.usatoday.com/2017/05/06/2018-nfl-draft-early-watch-list-running-backs/6/
20 RB's ranked, Scarlett #13 , Walton N/A - http://walterfootball.com/draft2018RB.php

I think it's close (to this point), and I totally see people favoring Walton, but I think the argument isn't over yet, and I'm betting on Scarlett. If you said Walton is the better college RB, but Scarlett is the better pro prospect, I wouldn't argue against that.

If it's so clearly Walton, why would Scarlett show up on 2 of these lists and Walton be on none?
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You must suck gator cack on the regular. That's the only explanation that makes sense to me. Unless Scarlet is your boyfriend.
 
BigDikCane said:
[MENTION=1107]bshaw28[/MENTION] Walton has Leadership... Just watch this next season
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TOTALLY agree with you, and I've never said otherwise.

The way I think of Walton, and the words that are used to describe him, remind me of White basketball players - He's a leader, he's high motor, High IQ, hard worker, versatile, can/will do anything you ask of him, great attitude, he's a gamer, huge heart, has all the intangibles, does everything the right way, out hustles you, gives you 110% effort, no one outworks him, pleasure to coach, etc.

I agree with ALL those things.

What I think he's not, and what you rarely hear the coaches, himself, or people outside of this board say to describe him - great athlete, big, fast, powerful, game-breaker, play-maker, etc.

I totally agree he's a great kid who works hard and is a leader of the team. But that doesn't make him a great player.

He's limited by his size/speed/power/shiftiness/vision IMO. And that makes him a solid RB, but unlikely to make an NFL team, and not the level of talent that a Miami RB getting 200+ carries a season should be.
 
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bshaw28 said:
Mahoney-Pearson said:
bshaw28 said:
OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
The "yikes" is you putting a bust like Scarlett ahead of Walton.

If that's not proof of your delusional hatred, I don't know what is.
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I went through all this with Yearby vs. Cook when Yearby was getting more carries and putting up more yards in HS. When you watched them, the difference was obvious. I never understood what people were watching, only that Yearby was going to Miami.

It's a smaller gap in the Scarlett vs. Walton comparison, but still obvious when you watch them. And I think people have the orange & green blinders on here too.

Walton has Scarlett killed in TD's in receiving, no question. But UF doesn't throw to their RB's, their passing offense has been terrible, and they play a tougher schedule. Despite that, Scarlett only had 228 less yards on 30 less carries. Not sure how that makes Scarlett a "bust".

When you watch them run, Scarlett's superior athleticism, speed, physicality, and running ability is obvious. Time will tell, but I'm pretty confident that Scarlett is the better RB.
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Nah, Scartlett runs too upright, isn't physical, and other than his above average speed doesn't have elite talent or great feel for the position. Walton is a tough RB with elite balance, elusiveness, and good feel for the position, who's been running behind offensive lines degrees worse than UF's and FSU's over the last several years. Despite the gap in Oline talent, Walton's production has been way better than JS and that's credit to Mark's work ethic, ability and determination..

I'm not sure what you're watching...

BTW, I've always thought DC was better than JY but you have to credit FSU's system and talent for Dalvin's production. JS, JY, and MW could have performed similarly to what DC has done at FSU given the opportunity in the same system, IMO.
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I totally understand if people think Walton is better than Scarlett, it's just not my opinion.

For the OL - in the last 2 years in the draft - Florida has had 1 4th rounder, Miami has had 1 5th rounder, and FSU has had 1 5th rounder. Both UF & FSU gave up more sacks than Miami in both 2016 & 2015. UF was dead last, ranked 128th in sacks allowed in 2015. I would say the OL has been pretty even.

I think you're underselling Cook. Yes, FSU definitely had the best system to play in. But Cook was a high 2nd round NFL draft pick while Yearby didn't even get invited to the NFL combine. If Cook had gone to Miami and Yearby & Walton had gone to FSU, we'd be on a 3 game win streak vs. FSU right now. Cook single handedly beat Miami all 3 years he was at FSU.
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I don't think it was incredulous or foolish to think Walton was not as good a RB recruit as Scarlett 2 or 3 years ago. That being said, I am astonished at the inability to change your mind in light of the last two years of on-the-field performance at the collegiate level.

On that note, respect to [MENTION=1165]Dwinstitles[/MENTION] for showing up and admitting you were wrong. You could have ignored the thread or stuck to your guns, but you didn't and I respect that.
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gotta keep it real man if im wrongim wrong and Im always hoping im wrong about a target if they dont suit up for the canes......thats being said thanks and fuq scarlett
 
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Mahoney-Pearson said:
Dwinstitles said:
kev13108 said:
BigDikCane said:
Dwinstitles said:
Scarlett and it ain't close, and it brings you Bruce also so Scarlett easily.
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lol
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I can't knock Dwins. I was on the same Scarlett train. Thought he was a stud
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We cant always be right man everything is wait and see until the lights come on we will all be wrong at some point
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It's not about being wrong. It's about being dead-*** wrong and "it ain't even close".
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yea I was dead *** wrong and it wasnt even close
 
bshaw28 said:
TOTALLY agree with you, and I've never said otherwise.

The way I think of Walton, and the words that are used to describe him, remind me of White basketball players - He's a leader, he's high motor, High IQ, hard worker, versatile, can/will do anything you ask of him, great attitude, he's a gamer, huge heart, has all the intangibles, does everything the right way, out hustles you, gives you 110% effort, no one outworks him, pleasure to coach, etc.

I agree with ALL those things.

What I think he's not, and what you rarely hear the coaches, himself, or people outside of this board say to describe him - great athlete, big, fast, powerful, game-breaker, play-maker, etc.

I totally agree he's a great kid who works hard and is a leader of the team. But that doesn't make him a great player.

He's limited by his size/speed/power/shiftiness/vision IMO. And that makes him a solid RB, but unlikely to make an NFL team, and not the level of talent that a Miami RB getting 200+ carries a season should be.
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Nailed it!!
 
Torocane said:
Nailed it!!
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Torocane said:
Nailed it!!
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Haha - I was dead wrong on Walton not making an NFL team. I never thought he'd be a 4th rounder.

But I stand by everything else. I think Walton is a great dude and has great character, but don't think there's anything "special" about him as athletically or as a RB. That's still my opinion, but the NFL obviously feels different - haha.

BUT - like I said earlier in the thread, I don't think Scralett vs. Walton is a argument that's over.

Example - If Scarlett had a good year and was a 3rd round pick in next year's draft, would it be be over that Scarlett's better? If he's a 4th next year, is it a push?
 
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bshaw28 said:
Haha - I was dead wrong on Walton not making an NFL team. I never thought he'd be a 4th rounder.

But I stand by everything else. I think Walton is a great dude and has great character, but don't think there's anything "special" about him as athletically or as a RB. That's still my opinion, but the NFL obviously feels different - haha.

BUT - like I said earlier in the thread, I don't think Scralett vs. Walton is a argument that's over.

Example - If Scarlett had a good year and was a 3rd round pick in next year's draft, would it be be over that Scarlett's better? If he's a 4th next year, is it a push?
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STFU
 
bshaw28 said:
Haha - I was dead wrong on Walton not making an NFL team. I never thought he'd be a 4th rounder.

But I stand by everything else. I think Walton is a great dude and has great character, but don't think there's anything "special" about him as athletically or as a RB. That's still my opinion, but the NFL obviously feels different - haha.

BUT - like I said earlier in the thread, I don't think Scralett vs. Walton is a argument that's over.

Example - If Scarlett had a good year and was a 3rd round pick in next year's draft, would it be be over that Scarlett's better? If he's a 4th next year, is it a push?
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Just take your L and move on. Stop.
 
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