Scarlett VS Walton

I was wrong about this one ( someone will say your always wrong and the only reason people say it cause i man up and admit it if i see the post on time before a jerk quotes it)
Also the site has turned toxic if u disagree with the flock....always pointing out my disagreement posts but never acknowledging when i give a player or the staff props

So far its Walton right now but if Scarlet does NFL damage then this still can change. Kudos to the non homers who said Walton was better. Thank God its not a Walton over a barkley thread
 
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Funny thing is - I don't even really like Scarlett. He's been disappointing and nothing special really. He's just always projected as a better pro than Walton. But it didn't end up being near as big of a gap between the 2 as I thought it would be in HS. I was definitely wrong on that.

I think Scarlett tip toes way too much instead of hitting the hole, like D$ says he struggles laterally, and he doesn't play as fast as his timed speed. But he's still fast overall, physical, and shown enough that he can be a viable NFL backup.

I had him as similar, but a notch below Alex Collins in HS, and still would make that comp. But I comped Walton to Matt Dayes. I had Scarlett as a 5th/6th round talent, and Walton as a UDFA talent. Neither is great, but one is better.

I also say Dexter Williams is better than Walton, but no one seems to care about that one. Scarlett gets people really hot and bothered though, so I use him as an example.

The point is that Scarlett vs. Walton vs. Williams has always been a legit discussion, and has been since HS. Never at any point has it been a lock it up win for any of them. The point that's always been missed is there were a ton of signs pointing out that Walton wouldn't be successful in the NFL. Sure enough - he wasn't.
 
I'll piggy back on @bshaw28, I thought Scarlett would be much better then Walton. I was more not a fan of Walton then a fan of Scarlett. I never liked Waltons game and thought he was overrated. He does have more heart and was a better RB in college.

However I always had Gus over both of them and he is proving me right, so crown me
 
I liked Scarlett as a back and I think he landed in the right spot in Carolina. As far as his college career, I give him a B. He was never the ELITE back that many thought he'd be for reasons you've named (not the greatest vision, no threat in the passing game, can look stiff and run too upright at times) but he was very good at the things he did well.
 
I liked Scarlett as a back and I think he landed in the right spot in Carolina. As far as his college career, I give him a B. He was never the ELITE back that many thought he'd be for reasons you've named (not the greatest vision, no threat in the passing game, can look stiff and run too upright at times) but he was very good at the things he did well.

he did things well?
 
I'll piggy back on @bshaw28, I thought Scarlett would be much better then Walton. I was more not a fan of Walton then a fan of Scarlett. I never liked Waltons game and thought he was overrated. He does have more heart and was a better RB in college.

However I always had Gus over both of them and he is proving me right, so crown me

Crowned. You always stayed with Gus and were proven right last year. The whole "Walton is a Day 2 pick and Gus should transfer" was always so ridiculous.

I respect your takes. But I still disagree about Walton's college career if you're looking at teams with a pulse.

Walton averaged over 3.5 ypc vs. P5 teams 27% of the time.
These guys averaged 4.0 ypc or more against P5 teams - Gus 48%, Dexter Williams 58%, Scarlett 64%, Homer 73%

I don't care if Walton killed it vs. Bethune Cookman, FAU & Toledo - If I spot you a half yard, and the guys you're being compared to still get there twice as often - I just can't get on board.
 
Crowned. You always stayed with Gus and were proven right last year. The whole "Walton is a Day 2 pick and Gus should transfer" was always so ridiculous.

I respect your takes. But I still disagree about Walton's college career if you're looking at teams with a pulse.

Walton averaged over 3.5 ypc vs. P5 teams 27% of the time.
These guys averaged 4.0 ypc or more against P5 teams - Gus 48%, Dexter Williams 58%, Scarlett 64%, Homer 73%

I don't care if Walton killed it vs. Bethune Cookman, FAU & Toledo - If I spot you a half yard, and the guys you're being compared to still get there twice as often - I just can't get on board.

Those numbers would be different if Walton played more his SR year..
 
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Those numbers would be different if Walton played more his SR year..
Would they be better? Definitely. Would they be good? Possibly...but probably not

I'll put it this way, let's say he doesn't get hurt in 2017 and plays the rest of his Jr & Sr years. That's 19 more P5 games

- If he goes over 4 ypc in 19 out of 19 - His career total would be 61%. He'd have to hit them all just to get in the same group.
- If he goes over 4 ypc in the same ones Homer did (12 out of 19) - his career total would be 44%. He'd still be behind Gus.

I have no idea what the numbers look like - but give me any Cane RB in the last 20 years. Or give me a couple of them. You'd probably be hard pressed to find one with a % worse than Walton's 27%.
 
Would they be better? Definitely. Would they be good? Possibly...but probably not

I'll put it this way, let's say he doesn't get hurt in 2017 and plays the rest of his Jr & Sr years. That's 19 more P5 games

- If he goes over 4 ypc in 19 out of 19 - His career total would be 61%. He'd have to hit them all just to get in the same group.
- If he goes over 4 ypc in the same ones Homer did (12 out of 19) - his career total would be 44%. He'd still be behind Gus.

I have no idea what the numbers look like - but give me any Cane RB in the last 20 years. Or give me a couple of them. You'd probably be hard pressed to find one with a % worse than Walton's 27%.

I said SR year, but really I meant his last year at Miami. He left as a JR.

2015 he was at 3.5 YPC as a freshman
2016 he was at 5.3 YPC
2017, before he got injured, he was at 7.6 YPC

Majority of the stats you're throwing are from his sophomore and FR year.

Now, Scarlett didn't play in 2017, but in 2016 when UF and Miami both lost to FSU, Walton/Scarlett both had 14 carries. Walton had 39 yards and Scarlett had 53, except Scarlett dropped a swing pass that game while Walton had 3 catches for 42 yards.
Also, here's the kicker. Scarlett as a SR had 2 games where he rushed for 100+ yards (that's including non P-5 opponents). Walton, as a Sophomore, had a 3 game stretch alone (not even counting the rest of the season) where he went for 100+ yards. The 4th game, he only went for 60 rushhing yards, but had 4 catches for 46 yards to supplement it (Scarlett had 5 catches all of his SR year).

Stats really don't tell the whole story. If you're going to talk about stats lets talk the whole package. Walton as a FR had more receptions than Scarlett did his whole career at UF. Infact, to make this even more laughable, Walton, with 5 games played as a JR, had 7 catches. Scarlett had 11....total...for his whole career.
 
I said SR year, but really I meant his last year at Miami. He left as a JR.

2015 he was at 3.5 YPC as a freshman
2016 he was at 5.3 YPC
2017, before he got injured, he was at 7.6 YPC

Majority of the stats you're throwing are from his sophomore and FR year.

Now, Scarlett didn't play in 2017, but in 2016 when UF and Miami both lost to FSU, Walton/Scarlett both had 14 carries. Walton had 39 yards and Scarlett had 53, except Scarlett dropped a swing pass that game while Walton had 3 catches for 42 yards.
Also, here's the kicker. Scarlett as a SR had 2 games where he rushed for 100+ yards (that's including non P-5 opponents). Walton, as a Sophomore, had a 3 game stretch alone (not even counting the rest of the season) where he went for 100+ yards. The 4th game, he only went for 60 rushhing yards, but had 4 catches for 46 yards to supplement it (Scarlett had 5 catches all of his SR year).

Stats really don't tell the whole story. If you're going to talk about stats lets talk the whole package. Walton as a FR had more receptions than Scarlett did his whole career at UF. Infact, to make this even more laughable, Walton, with 5 games played as a JR, had 7 catches. Scarlett had 11....total...for his whole career.

Agreed - stats don't tell the whole story. But they can paint a pretty clear picture at times, and it wouldn't be smart to dismiss them.

That's an excellent point about Walton's receiving. Walton crushes Scarlett here.

If we had used Walton as a 3rd down pass catching back, that would've been perfect. Unfortunately we used him as 200+ carry workhorse back. I can't fault Walton for being used wrong, that falls on Richt.

I'll compare Walton's Rushing & Receiving vs. just Scarlett's rushing - is that fair?

But first the YPC:

Walton

2015 - 3.5 YPC, 3.1 P5
2016 - 5.3 YPC, 4.4 P5
2017 - 7.6 YPC, 2.6 P5 (4 games)

Scarlett
2015 - 5.3 YPC, 5.8 P5
2016 - 5.0 YPC, 4.9 P5
2018 - 5.9 YPC, 5.8 P5

Scarlett's 5.4 YPC against P5 teams is better than Walton's 5.1 YPC against everyone. Walton in his best P5 year was a half yard behind Scarlett in his worst P5 year.

Let's look at the 7.6 YPC his Junior year

Here's our Top 3 leading rushers through 4 games in those years:

2015

Yearby - 58 att - 423 yds - 7.3 ypc - 4 TD
Walton - 46 att - 184 yds - 4.0 ypc - 5 TD
Gray - 16 att - 118 yds - 7.4 ypc - 1 TD

2016
Walton - 63 att - 445 yds - 7.1 ypc - 8 TD
Yearby - 44 att - 323 yds - 7.3 ypc - 5 TD
Gus - 13 att - 127 yds - 9.8 ypc - 1 TD

2017
Walton - 56 att - 428 yds - 7.6 ypc - 3 TD
Homer - 25 att - 307 yds - 8.3 ypc - 3 TD
Gray - 4 att - 34 yds - 8.5 ypc - 0 TD

Walton had the 3rd best YPC in all 3 years. He's the only one not to average over 7 YPC in through the first 4 games.

If you're looking at just the first 4 games, you're doing it wrong. We could've used anyone in these games - they'd have put up big numbers.

Yearby wasn't great in 2015 because he had 7.3 YPC. Walton wasn't great in 2016 with 7.1 YPC. Walton wasn't great in 2017 with 7.6 YPC.

If you want to make a point about Walton's 7.6 YPC in 2017, just be aware, those numbers are almost identical to Yearby in 2015.

Now let's look at Walton's Rushing & Receiving vs. Scarlett's rushing

VS. P5
Walton
- 284 att - 1,081 yds - 3.8 ypc - 11 TD & 45 rec - 553 yds - 12.3 avg - 2 TD
Walton Total - 329 touches - 1,634 yds - 5.0 avg - 13 TD
Scarlett - 300 att - 1,624 yds - 5.4 ypc - 10 TD


So even if Scarlett never catches a pass, he gives you the same yardage as Walton does rushing + receiving, and averages about a half yard more per touch.

Scarlett averaged 4+ YPC in 17 games (64%). Walton averaged over 4+ yards per touch in 13 (59%).
Scarlett had 50+ yds rushing in 15 games, and 100+ in 5. Walton had 50+ total yds rushing in 15 games, and 100+ in 6
Scarlett had 10+ att in 15 of 27 games. Walton had 10+ total touches in 20 of 22 games.

Walton needs his receiving to pull about even - but I'll give Walton the edge here. It's pretty clear Walton sucks at running the ball, and Scarlett sucks at catching it.

Best 3 game stretch

Walton - (Pitt, UVA, NC St)
- 49 att - 356 yds - 7.3 ypc - 5 TD & 6 rec - 54 yds
Scarlett - (USC, FSU, Michigan) - 47 att - 306 yds - 6.5 ypc - 2 TD

Walton wins here - no question. If you're making the case for Walton - there it is. It's look at these 3 games, throw out the other 19. Boom!

When you look OUTSIDE of their best 3 game streak, it becomes a bit more problematic for Walton. And unfortunately that's 86% of his games

Walton (19 games):
3 100 total yd games
0 100 yd rushing games
1 rushing game over 60 yards
0 games over 3.5 ypc against teams not named Duke or UVA
16 out of 19 games with 3.5 ypc or less (84%)
9 straight games with 3.5 ypc or less leading up to the 3 game streak
3 out of 4 games with 3.5 ypc or less after the 3 game streak
Looking at both ends of that streak - he had 3.5 ypc or less in 12 out of 13 games.

Scarlett (24 games):
4 100 yd rushing games
13 games over 4.5 ypc - including games against Georgia (twice) and LSU (twice)
7 out of 24 games with 3.5 ypc or less (29%)
4 straight games with 4.5 ypc or more leading up to the 3 game streak
3 out of 5 games with 7+ ypc or more leading up to the 3 game streak (Walton had 7+ ypc in 1 game in his career)


Did you think of any Cane RB's to compare Walton to?
 
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Real talk... Does UF even have a running back in the NFL? Is Percy Harvin and Rainey still playing?

Nope - Florida RB's have been ridiculously bad. Here's their drafted RB's in the last 20 years:

Jordan Scarlett
Kelvin Taylor
Matt Jones
Mike Gillislee
Chris Rainey
Deshawn Wynn
Ciatrick Faison

That's embarrassing
 
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