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Scarlett VS Walton

OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
Don’t waste your time, months ago, I was twenty posts in to a back and forth with this gentleman, all facts based, and it was like running head first into a brick wall.

The only thing that explains it is he’s family.
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Read my post above. I've given you a laundry list of facts (again).

Look - I can present facts all day long about how the Earth isn't flat, or that climate change exists.

In the end - you can believe whatever you choose to believe. That's your right
 
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bshaw28 said:
But there are facts to support that. You just dismiss them every time I've ever posted them.

We've been through this 1,000 times - but let's just do it one more time

And if you read all this....can you maybe....just maybe.....acknowledge that if Scarlett ends up better than Walton, there may be at least something in these stats that gave some kind of indication?

High School

Walton Senior Year - 203 att - 1,473 yds - 7.2 ypc - 22 TD's
Scarlett Senior Year - 114 att - 1,014 yds - 8.9 ypc - 22 TD's

Walton 247 Ranking - #83 overall, #10 RB
Scarlett 247 Ranking - #117 overall, #12 RB

- Walton gained more yards, but I'd say Scarlett had the better year. The difference in their ranking was minimal
- All good South Florida RB's in the last 15 years average around 8.0 ypc their last season.


College

Overall
Walton - 395 att - 1,995 yds - 5.1 ypc - 26 TD's
Scarlett - 344 att - 1,846 yds - 5.4 ypc - 12 TD's

VS. Non-P5
Walton - 111 att - 914 yds - 8.2 ypc - 15 TD's
Scarlett - 44 att - 222 yds - 5.0 ypc - 2 TD's

VS. P5
Walton - 284 att - 1,081 yds - 3.8 ypc - 11 TD's
Scarlett - 300 att - 1,624 yds - 5.4 ypc - 10 TD's

VS. P5 (Just Sophomore year)
Walton - 161 att - 716 yds - 4.4 ypc - 7 TD's
Scarlett - 155 att - 757 yds - 4.9 ypc - 5 TD's

- It's very obvious that Walton beat up on bad teams, and was not very good against good ones. Scarlett was much better against P5
- The Walton scores more TD's isn't valid if you look at P5 competiton
- Walton's ypc vs. P5 teams is the worst of any P5 RB drafted in the last 15 years. Don't believe me? Tell me who's worse
- Yearby, Homer, Gus, Scarlett, Dexter Williams - all average more ypc vs. P5
- Even just their Soph year vs P5 - Scarlett averaged a half yard more per carry, Walton had 2 more TD's. You can call this a push - but for whatever reason after this year Walton became "one of the best RB's in the country" while Scarlet was "a bum". It never made any sense.
- Against P5 teams - Walton averaged over 4 ypc in 6 out of 22 games (27%) and 4 out of 10 (40%) in his Soph year
- Against P5 teams - Scarlett averaged over 4 ypc in 18 out of 28 games (64%) and 7 out of 11 (64%) in his Soph year
- Against P5 teams - Walton averaged under 3 ypc in 8 out of 22 games (36%). Scarlett did in 3 out of 28 games (11%)


NFL

Preseason - 22 att - 21 yds - 1.0 ypc
Regular Season - 14 att - 34 yds - 2.4 ypc
Total - 36 att - 55 yds - 1.5 ypc

- This was a historically bad rookie season
- PFF ranked him 28th out of 28 rookie RB's
- 10 UDFA RB's got an NFL carry last year. 7 ran for more yds than Walton. All averaged 3.8+ ypc when Walton averaged 2.4 ypc
- Walton was a 4th rounder, Scarlett was a 5th. The difference is minimal
- Of the 28 RB's drafted in the 5th round in the last 10 years, 26 (93%) rushed for more than Walton in their rookie seasons.
- Walton was arrested 3 times in the span of 2 months this offseason

So with all this above - why would an NFL pick up Walton? What good film is there of him at the NFL level? The chances of a team taking him is extremely slim.

NOW THROW ALL OF THAT OUT. NONE OF IT MATTERS

All you had to do in the first place was look at Walton's combine numbers. He's 202 and runs a 4.6. Scarlett is 208 and runs a 4.4

Here's a list of all the drafted RB's under 210 lbs who ran a 4.6 40 at the combine in the last 20 years:

2nd Round - Ameer Abdallah
3rd Round - Devin Singletary
4th Round - Mark Walton, Ka'Deem Carrey, Travis Stephens, Mewelde Moore, Alvin Peerman
5th Round - Marques Hagans, Joe Randle
6th Round - Andre Ellington, Theo Riddick, Marion Grice, Mike Hart, Kelvin Taylor
7th Round - Storm Johnson, Jawan Jamison, Marcus Murphy, Justin Forsett, Shyrone Stith

@DMoney - who in that list above do you think has had as good or better a career than Duke Johnson, like you said Mark Walton would?

Hype up Walton's receiving, special teams, blocking, character, etc. all you want. None of it matters if you're a Running Back who can't RUN.
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So in summary, Walton ran for more yards in high school and was ranked higher. Walton ran for more yards in college and was drafted higher. Therefore, he was better in high school and college.

I laud your conviction and passion. But when you have to type that much and parse up stats like that to prove your point, it should tell you something.
 
DMoney said:
So in summary, Walton ran for more yards in high school and was ranked higher. Walton ran for more yards in college and was drafted higher. Therefore, he was better in high school and college.

I laud your conviction and passion. But when you have to type that much and parse up stats like that to prove your point, it should tell you something.
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If that's your take away - so be it. But I gave you facts when you said there were none. Lots of them.

I can tell by how quickly you responded, you probably didn't read my facts, and definitely didn't give them any thought.

I encourage you to do both.

But I also admire, given the their situations as it stands today, that you're still convinced Walton will come out on top of this one. I do acknowledge that's still a possibility.
 
bshaw28 said:
But I also admire, given the their situations as it stands today, that you're still convinced Walton will come out on top of this one. I do acknowledge that's still a possibility.
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He already came out on top in high school and college. That story has been written.

We will see in the pros. It depends on Walton staying clean. Jordan Scarlett’s best case scenario to me is a poor man’s Matt Jones.
 
DMoney said:
He already came out on top in high school and college. That story has been written.

We will see in the pros. It depends on Walton staying clean. Jordan Scarlett’s best case scenario to me is a poor man’s Matt Jones.
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is walton even getting another chance? he was awful last year and has been a mess off the field since. i also don't see anything special in JS whether in the pros or at UF. he just seemed very meh
 
bshaw28 said:
But there are facts to support that. You just dismiss them every time I've ever posted them.

We've been through this 1,000 times - but let's just do it one more time

And if you read all this....can you maybe....just maybe.....acknowledge that if Scarlett ends up better than Walton, there may be at least something in these stats that gave some kind of indication?

High School

Walton Senior Year - 203 att - 1,473 yds - 7.2 ypc - 22 TD's
Scarlett Senior Year - 114 att - 1,014 yds - 8.9 ypc - 22 TD's

Walton 247 Ranking - #83 overall, #10 RB
Scarlett 247 Ranking - #117 overall, #12 RB

- Walton gained more yards, but I'd say Scarlett had the better year. The difference in their ranking was minimal
- All good South Florida RB's in the last 15 years average around 8.0 ypc their last season.


College

Overall
Walton - 395 att - 1,995 yds - 5.1 ypc - 26 TD's
Scarlett - 344 att - 1,846 yds - 5.4 ypc - 12 TD's

VS. Non-P5
Walton - 111 att - 914 yds - 8.2 ypc - 15 TD's
Scarlett - 44 att - 222 yds - 5.0 ypc - 2 TD's

VS. P5
Walton - 284 att - 1,081 yds - 3.8 ypc - 11 TD's
Scarlett - 300 att - 1,624 yds - 5.4 ypc - 10 TD's

VS. P5 (Just Sophomore year)
Walton - 161 att - 716 yds - 4.4 ypc - 7 TD's
Scarlett - 155 att - 757 yds - 4.9 ypc - 5 TD's

- It's very obvious that Walton beat up on bad teams, and was not very good against good ones. Scarlett was much better against P5
- The Walton scores more TD's isn't valid if you look at P5 competiton
- Walton's ypc vs. P5 teams is the worst of any P5 RB drafted in the last 15 years. Don't believe me? Tell me who's worse
- Yearby, Homer, Gus, Scarlett, Dexter Williams - all average more ypc vs. P5
- Even just their Soph year vs P5 - Scarlett averaged a half yard more per carry, Walton had 2 more TD's. You can call this a push - but for whatever reason after this year Walton became "one of the best RB's in the country" while Scarlet was "a bum". It never made any sense.
- Against P5 teams - Walton averaged over 4 ypc in 6 out of 22 games (27%) and 4 out of 10 (40%) in his Soph year
- Against P5 teams - Scarlett averaged over 4 ypc in 18 out of 28 games (64%) and 7 out of 11 (64%) in his Soph year
- Against P5 teams - Walton averaged under 3 ypc in 8 out of 22 games (36%). Scarlett did in 3 out of 28 games (11%)


NFL

Preseason - 22 att - 21 yds - 1.0 ypc
Regular Season - 14 att - 34 yds - 2.4 ypc
Total - 36 att - 55 yds - 1.5 ypc

- This was a historically bad rookie season
- PFF ranked him 28th out of 28 rookie RB's
- 10 UDFA RB's got an NFL carry last year. 7 ran for more yds than Walton. All averaged 3.8+ ypc when Walton averaged 2.4 ypc
- Walton was a 4th rounder, Scarlett was a 5th. The difference is minimal
- Of the 28 RB's drafted in the 5th round in the last 10 years, 26 (93%) rushed for more than Walton in their rookie seasons.
- Walton was arrested 3 times in the span of 2 months this offseason

So with all this above - why would an NFL pick up Walton? What good film is there of him at the NFL level? The chances of a team taking him is extremely slim.

NOW THROW ALL OF THAT OUT. NONE OF IT MATTERS

All you had to do in the first place was look at Walton's combine numbers. He's 202 and runs a 4.6. Scarlett is 208 and runs a 4.4

Here's a list of all the drafted RB's under 210 lbs who ran a 4.6 40 at the combine in the last 20 years:

2nd Round - Ameer Abdallah
3rd Round - Devin Singletary
4th Round - Mark Walton, Ka'Deem Carrey, Travis Stephens, Mewelde Moore, Alvin Peerman
5th Round - Marques Hagans, Joe Randle
6th Round - Andre Ellington, Theo Riddick, Marion Grice, Mike Hart, Kelvin Taylor
7th Round - Storm Johnson, Jawan Jamison, Marcus Murphy, Justin Forsett, Shyrone Stith

@DMoney - who in that list above do you think has had as good or better a career than Duke Johnson, like you said Mark Walton would?

Hype up Walton's receiving, special teams, blocking, character, etc. all you want. None of it matters if you're a Running Back who can't RUN.
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This is the saddest thing I’ve ever seen posted on this site.
 
DMoney said:
He already came out on top in high school and college. That story has been written.

We will see in the pros. It depends on Walton staying clean. Jordan Scarlett’s best case scenario to me is a poor man’s Matt Jones.
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Quick questions for you:

Career High School stats

Walton - 354 att - 2,734 yds - 7.7 ypc - 45 TD's
Scarlett - 471 att - 4,020 yds - 8.5 ypc - 74 TD's

1) Can you explain why Scarlett doesn't come out on top?

Walton's future career isn't dependent on him staying clean. It's dependent on him getting another chance from an NFL that will have no vested interest in him. He's not on a 4 year scholarship. You produce, or the NFL moves on.

2) Given the way he produced his rookie season and his legal troubles - what makes you so sure the NFL hasn't already moved on?

Career YPC's

HS Career - Scarlett 8.5, Walton 7.7
HS Senior - Scarlett 8.9, Walton 7.2
College Career - Scarlett 5.4, Walton 5.1
College vs. P5 - Scarlett 5.4, Walton 3.8
NFL - Scarlett ???, Walton 2.4

3) What do you think Scarlett's NFL ypc will be?
 
Even Scarlett thinks bshaw’s getting kinda weird

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bshaw28 said:
Quick questions for you:

Career High School stats

Walton - 354 att - 2,734 yds - 7.7 ypc - 45 TD's
Scarlett - 471 att - 4,020 yds - 8.5 ypc - 74 TD's

1) Can you explain why Scarlett doesn't come out on top?

Walton's future career isn't dependent on him staying clean. It's dependent on him getting another chance from an NFL that will have no vested interest in him. He's not on a 4 year scholarship. You produce, or the NFL moves on.

2) Given the way he produced his rookie season and his legal troubles - what makes you so sure the NFL hasn't already moved on?

Career YPC's

HS Career - Scarlett 8.5, Walton 7.7
HS Senior - Scarlett 8.9, Walton 7.2
College Career - Scarlett 5.4, Walton 5.1
College vs. P5 - Scarlett 5.4, Walton 3.8
NFL - Scarlett ???, Walton 2.4

3) What do you think Scarlett's NFL ypc will be?
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Go get a job where you can make some bread crunching this ****, weirdo.
 
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bshaw28 said:
I'm amazed your still holding on to this DMoney - especially after Walton's terrible Rookie year AND legal troubles.

There are so many things at this point showing Scarlett was better at the HS & College levels - and will be at the Pro (projected) levels

Walton was great in the NC St. game, but at some point you have to you've got to let that go. You can't base Walton's career on that 1 game.

And to clarify - I'm not saying Scarlett is some great RB, he's just an ok NFL prospect. He's just better than Walton.
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Did you just say Scarlett was better than Walton in HS??.....Holy ****.....smfh
 
bshaw28 said:
Read my post above. I've given you a laundry list of facts (again).

Look - I can present facts all day long about how the Earth isn't flat, or that climate change exists.

In the end - you can believe whatever you choose to believe. That's your right
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The only Facts you spew are eased outta your mouth on the Wings of Anal Flatulence
 
bshaw28 said:
If that's your take away - so be it. But I gave you facts when you said there were none. Lots of them.

I can tell by how quickly you responded, you probably didn't read my facts, and definitely didn't give them any thought.

I encourage you to do both.

But I also admire, given the their situations as it stands today, that you're still convinced Walton will come out on top of this one. I do acknowledge that's still a possibility.
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Where overjoyed with your acknowledgement....for a while we all were sweating it.....
 
bshaw28 said:
Quick questions for you:

Career High School stats

Walton - 354 att - 2,734 yds - 7.7 ypc - 45 TD's
Scarlett - 471 att - 4,020 yds - 8.5 ypc - 74 TD's

1) Can you explain why Scarlett doesn't come out on top?

Walton's future career isn't dependent on him staying clean. It's dependent on him getting another chance from an NFL that will have no vested interest in him. He's not on a 4 year scholarship. You produce, or the NFL moves on.

2) Given the way he produced his rookie season and his legal troubles - what makes you so sure the NFL hasn't already moved on?

Career YPC's

HS Career - Scarlett 8.5, Walton 7.7
HS Senior - Scarlett 8.9, Walton 7.2
College Career - Scarlett 5.4, Walton 5.1
College vs. P5 - Scarlett 5.4, Walton 3.8
NFL - Scarlett ???, Walton 2.4

3) What do you think Scarlett's NFL ypc will be?
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Uh uh if you carry the 9 multiply by seven and then do PEMDAS Scarlett has .1 higher yard per carry
 
bshaw28 said:
Quick questions for you:

Career High School stats

Walton - 354 att - 2,734 yds - 7.7 ypc - 45 TD's
Scarlett - 471 att - 4,020 yds - 8.5 ypc - 74 TD's

1) Can you explain why Scarlett doesn't come out on top?

Walton's future career isn't dependent on him staying clean. It's dependent on him getting another chance from an NFL that will have no vested interest in him. He's not on a 4 year scholarship. You produce, or the NFL moves on.

2) Given the way he produced his rookie season and his legal troubles - what makes you so sure the NFL hasn't already moved on?

Career YPC's

HS Career - Scarlett 8.5, Walton 7.7
HS Senior - Scarlett 8.9, Walton 7.2
College Career - Scarlett 5.4, Walton 5.1
College vs. P5 - Scarlett 5.4, Walton 3.8
NFL - Scarlett ???, Walton 2.4

3) What do you think Scarlett's NFL ypc will be?
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Serious question. What do you do for a living?
 
Tony Perps said:
Take my advice. Take your L and stop.
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There ya are Perps! You gonna man up and answer my question?

Or ya going do like the rest of these fools - attack me personally, fail to acknowledge facts, and avoid all questions?

Pretty sure I already know the answer....
 
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