S&C yielding early returns

[Rellyrell]

@Rellyrell @AlexCane ... are you including the "C" portion of S&C in functional strength? By that I mean, how quick a DB can backpeddle and flip his hips, or short area burst, or hands placement and body moves? You mention boxing and MMA.

I have to believe agility is just as important as strength. But I'm not expert enough to know how our S&C program trains the kids up along all those dimensions. No agenda, really interested in your opinions here.

Bro, I’m including the nutritional side of things, the functional side of things, which includes what u just mentioned.

 

[puertorricane]

This is such b.s bro; functional strength has chit to do w/ how good u r as a football player. It’s called functional strength b/c it’s related to the function of ur workout. Body builders train different than boxers, who train different than MMA fighters, who train different than pure wrestlers, who train different than NBA players, who train different than soccer players, who train different than football players.

It’s much more than just eating & lifting weights. There needs to be a purpose; like I said, I’ve met plenty of guys who look great in a T-shirt or w/ their shirt off, but that don’t mean they can do certain things, or that their training is adequate to play football. U’re adding a square peg to a round hole in this discussion. Talent is one part of the equation, but talent needs to be nurtured & developed. If the infrastructure is not there, it doesn’t matter how talented u r.

So what are the exercises/routines the players are doing now that helps them with football that they weren't doing before?

I just don't buy it that there's a secret formula that only certain s&c coaches know over every one else.

 

[Rellyrell]

With that being said and with better coaching do you think we should push around smaller ACC teams or even be able to blow teams out that shouldn’t be able to hang with us in the first place. How long do you think with the new training ig should actually pay dividends?

I definitely think coaching will play a role, but I’ve been preaching 2 yrs for a while. We’ll see guys look better, but honestly, if u’re dedicated to a strict 90 day regimen, it’s amazing what our bodies can & will do. That’s still from a physique standpoint, the body still takes time to adjust from a functional standpoint. If we were playing against dumbbells & barbells, we’ll go undefeated. The fact is, we playing against other strong young men who are moving targets, & pushing back.

Plus, we have the IQ thing to adjust, learning a new playbook, roles, assignments, etc. Just looking at some of the most successful coaches in the history of CFB, unless they walked in to a plush situation, the greater majority took 2-3 yrs to turn around their program. Our guys weren’t under the best infrastructure for quite some time, & unfortunately, a certain mindset will also need to be weeded out. That’s jmo based upon history. That’s y I said, if we don’t win the ACCC this yr, I’m not going to be upset. I fully look fwd to 2023 as a take over.

 

[GhostRecon_Cane]

 

[BentSteelCane]

This is all nutrition. You cant become elite in the gym if you dont put in the right fuel.

As the saying goes - you can't out-train a ****ty diet.

 

[Damiencane86]

So what are the exercises/routines the players are doing now that helps them with football that they weren't doing before?

I just don't buy it that there's a secret formula that only certain s&c coaches know over every one else.

Proper programming is the most important thing overall for S & C. Goals being broken down short, intermediate, and long term all broken down within position groups. Having this new Director of Sports Performance will help Feld get this perfect by advising against movements that aren't translating to the field and maximizing movements that help the athletes develop and bring us W's in the fall.

 

[Rellyrell]

So what are the exercises/routines the players are doing now that helps them with football that they weren't doing before?

I just don't buy it that there's a secret formula that only certain s&c coaches know over every one else.

In all honesty, y would u?

Look, I kept going back n forth in my head to entertain this, but I was like f it, I’m in a good mood.

Just like all coaches aren’t the same, S&C coaches aren’t the same. Just b/c u’re a personal trainer, doesn’t mean u’re qualified to train a boxer. Just b/c u’re techniques as a S&C coach was adequate at a FCS level, doesn’t mean u’re qualified to run a P5 program. Just like u would like to a poach a HC from an established P5 pedigree, the same hold true for a S&C coach.

Just let me furnish u w/ an example: Glute strength

Glute strength is completely different than quad strength (squats). Glute strength controls explosiveness & foundation. So were we incorporating plyometrics which engages the entire core & glutes? Were we doing Oklahoma drills (variations of it) to simulate football contact? Were we engaging glutes by tractor tire flips? Were we improving reflexes by speed boxing drills or see the ball, attack the ball?

I mean there’s a litany of drills, exercises, regimens that I can list, but it’s too exhaustive. ****, we didn’t even have a sport science dept, which maximizes data to show improvements, declines in endurance, growth, muscle strength, etc.

So no, all S&C r not the same, including what fuel is used to help muscle growth, endurance, & strength, including when & what time the diet regimen is prescribed to maximize muscle function.

 

[puertorricane]

In all honesty, y would u?

Look, I kept going back n forth in my head to entertain this, but I was like f it, I’m in a good mood.

Just like all coaches aren’t the same, S&C coaches aren’t the same. Just b/c u’re a personal trainer, doesn’t mean u’re qualified to train a boxer. Just b/c u’re techniques as a S&C coach was adequate at a FCS level, doesn’t mean u’re qualified to run a P5 program. Just like u would like to a poach a HC from an established P5 pedigree, the same hold true for a S&C coach.

Just let me furnish u w/ an example: Glute strength

Glute strength is completely different than quad strength (squats). Glute strength controls explosiveness & foundation. So were we incorporating plyometrics which engages the entire core & glutes? Were we doing Oklahoma drills (variations of it) to simulate football contact? Were we engaging glutes by tractor tire flips? Were we improving reflexes by speed boxing drills or see the ball, attack the ball?

I mean there’s a litany of drills, exercises, regimens that I can list, but it’s too exhaustive. ****, we didn’t even have a sport science dept, which maximizes data to show improvements, declines in endurance, growth, muscle strength, etc.

So no, all S&C r the same, including what fuel is used to help muscle growth, endurance, & strength, including when & what time the diet regimen is prescribed to maximize muscle function.

I agree that not every coach is the same. Just like every doctor doesn't know everything about health.

But again evrytime we change s&c coaches there's a lot of optimism on the board.
My question is what's the basis for the optimism now, what has the new coach done that is different.

 

[Cryptical Envelopment]

Let me chime in here.

I still use the UM gym. I bump into the kids all the time. Last year's team was physically impressive. In fact, it was likely one of the more impressive teams physically I've seen here in a long time. I attribute that to a fairly veteran roster, particularly with various super-seniors. I was pretty excited about the squad (preseason), although I remember posting that looking like a bodybuilder doesn't necessarily mean a kid can play or can't. Like some have said here, what makes an S&C coach look good is a talented roster but more importantly competent coaching. You think Bama's guy would be a household name if he was anywhere else? All of these reports are great but the roster is largely the same as last year so temper your enthusiasm. We still have weaknesses and S&C isn't going to change that (OL/DL/LB). That said, I have no doubt that we're going to play better and the perception may be that this S&C staff is better than the prior which is truly a difficult assessment for any fan to make.

 

[423Hurricane]

I agree that not every coach is the same. Just like every doctor doesn't know everything about health.

But again evrytime we change s&c coaches there's a lot of optimism on the board.
My question is what's the basis for the optimism now, what has the new coach done that is different.

That’s a fair question and although we have some very knowledgeable people on this board, the only people that could really answer your question would be the players themselves. Surely the new staff has asked players what they’ve done in the past, but to get true barometer of the differences from the previous staff to the new one, the players would be the ultimate source.

 

[Pearson704]

I agree that not every coach is the same. Just like every doctor doesn't know everything about health.

But again evrytime we change s&c coaches there's a lot of optimism on the board.
My question is what's the basis for the optimism now, what has the new coach done that is different.

It's in the film. Watch the way Oregon competed throughout the year, physically and mentally. They were superior to what Miami has been putting on film over the last several years.

 

[Rellyrell]

I agree that not every coach is the same. Just like every doctor doesn't know everything about health.

But again evrytime we change s&c coaches there's a lot of optimism on the board.
My question is what's the basis for the optimism now, what has the new coach done that is different.

Agreed, & u’re right. However, there were reasons for optimism.

1. While we started off well under Swasey, our S&C took a precipitous fall. For goodness sake, bro wasn’t even certified to be in the bldg, & under Golden’s guidance, we had guys bulking up on junk food. Hence, our guys were gassed as the game waned along.

2. Gus was an upgrade over Swasey, but Gus was also sus af. Our guys started to look better, but by many accounts, Gus was lazy, unaccountable, & was on his own “bulk” diet.

3. Feeley was an upgrade over Gus, but Bellamy, who was our nutritionist, had no previous experience. So u had the combo of Feeley coming from a low G5 program w/ a pedigree that’s subpar + a nutritionist w/ no experience running the joint. Guys looked better, physique wise, but we heard too many of our guys still not being “physically” ready to play ball.

4. Feld has a great pedigree; coming from a winning program & he himself looks like he’s on that needle. Lol Also, our nutritionist is coming from a winning program. Just like I don’t want my coaches from a failed regime, I don’t want guys/gals who r heading one of the most important aspects of a program, S&C, from a failed regime.

I think from the few photos & clips I’ve seen, I saw glute-engaged exercises, and seeing guys like TAC & Huff visibly bigger, already, when that chit wasn’t happening under the previous regime r positives.

 

[KANE]

We do this every time a new S&C coach arrives.

Exactly

 

[PBJFanatic]

He looks almost the same as last year. Just a tad bigger maybe. But that picture must have been taken by a Nokia 5300.

 

[Silver King]

I definitely think coaching will play a role, but I’ve been preaching 2 yrs for a while. We’ll see guys look better, but honestly, if u’re dedicated to a strict 90 day regimen, it’s amazing what our bodies can & will do. That’s still from a physique standpoint, the body still takes time to adjust from a functional standpoint. If we were playing against dumbbells & barbells, we’ll go undefeated.

Us under sized guys on our OL in college used to say, all that bulk and muscle doesn't do you much good if you can't get to the point of impact when you need to be at the point of impact.

 

[Billy D Williams]

I find it absolutely beyond belief that there is a discussion about the merits of Mario/Feld S&C training techniques! For all you Blokes who so non expertly discuss Football training seem to forget that Mario worked for years absorbing the training techniques while at the best to do it-Alabaga. To question what CMC and Staff are doing is as ridiculous as ketchup on a well done Kobe steak. All you so called experts should go prove your techniques at a local college or stop questioning the new staff.

 

[ST26]

I have loved what I have seen from the workout videos posted on the Canes Instagram page. These players are seriously putting in the work. They aren't doing *** mat drills, tug a war or team building relay races like they did under Manny. They are doing simple strength and conditioning drills, nothing complicated. These are the type of hardcore drills I used to do in high school, and let me tell you, they were extremely difficult. It is about time we had an effective strength and conditioning program that wasn't complex. The intensity and speed also seems very high.

 

[GhostRecon_Cane]

In all honesty, y would u?

Look, I kept going back n forth in my head to entertain this, but I was like f it, I’m in a good mood.

Just like all coaches aren’t the same, S&C coaches aren’t the same. Just b/c u’re a personal trainer, doesn’t mean u’re qualified to train a boxer. Just b/c u’re techniques as a S&C coach was adequate at a FCS level, doesn’t mean u’re qualified to run a P5 program. Just like u would like to a poach a HC from an established P5 pedigree, the same hold true for a S&C coach.

Just let me furnish u w/ an example: Glute strength

Glute strength is completely different than quad strength (squats). Glute strength controls explosiveness & foundation. So were we incorporating plyometrics which engages the entire core & glutes? Were we doing Oklahoma drills (variations of it) to simulate football contact? Were we engaging glutes by tractor tire flips? Were we improving reflexes by speed boxing drills or see the ball, attack the ball?

I mean there’s a litany of drills, exercises, regimens that I can list, but it’s too exhaustive. ****, we didn’t even have a sport science dept, which maximizes data to show improvements, declines in endurance, growth, muscle strength, etc.

So no, all S&C r the same, including what fuel is used to help muscle growth, endurance, & strength, including when & what time the diet regimen is prescribed to maximize muscle function.

Very well worded. Str8 facts.

 

[rsa coral gables]

all of these questions will be answered, for the most part, mid november.

 

[We the Boss]

I don’t think S&C was a problem under Manny personally

The people that vilify the entire S&C program based on us not converting 3rd and 1s are idiots

We just gotta recruit better athletes across the board

I am encouraged by the emphasis on nutrition though but we will see. It’s not an overnight thing.

Agree. Tough to judge an SC program when the first full class under the coach was sophomores.