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S&C yielding early returns

Rellyrell said:
I definitely think coaching will play a role, but I’ve been preaching 2 yrs for a while. We’ll see guys look better, but honestly, if u’re dedicated to a strict 90 day regimen, it’s amazing what our bodies can & will do. That’s still from a physique standpoint, the body still takes time to adjust from a functional standpoint. If we were playing against dumbbells & barbells, we’ll go undefeated. The fact is, we playing against other strong young men who are moving targets, & pushing back.

Plus, we have the IQ thing to adjust, learning a new playbook, roles, assignments, etc. Just looking at some of the most successful coaches in the history of CFB, unless they walked in to a plush situation, the greater majority took 2-3 yrs to turn around their program. Our guys weren’t under the best infrastructure for quite some time, & unfortunately, a certain mindset will also need to be weeded out. That’s jmo based upon history. That’s y I said, if we don’t win the ACCC this yr, I’m not going to be upset. I fully look fwd to 2023 as a take over.
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Rellyrell said:
This is such b.s bro; functional strength has chit to do w/ how good u r as a football player. It’s called functional strength b/c it’s related to the function of ur workout. Body builders train different than boxers, who train different than MMA fighters, who train different than pure wrestlers, who train different than NBA players, who train different than soccer players, who train different than football players.

It’s much more than just eating & lifting weights. There needs to be a purpose; like I said, I’ve met plenty of guys who look great in a T-shirt or w/ their shirt off, but that don’t mean they can do certain things, or that their training is adequate to play football. U’re adding a square peg to a round hole in this discussion. Talent is one part of the equation, but talent needs to be nurtured & developed. If the infrastructure is not there, it doesn’t matter how talented u r.
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I personally think the way we will practice under Cristobal will make us look stronger and more physical

You cant possibly be either of those things on game days with the way Diaz ran practices(from what Im told, and what is now public knowledge)

Want to be hard-nosed and physical -- you have to be that every day, you can't just turn that on.

But yes, talent absolutely matters
 
Rellyrell said:
Our DL had talent:

Nesta was a 4 star
McCloud was a 4 star
Harvey was a 4 star
Taylor was a 5 star
Roberts was a 4 star
Williams was a 4 star

The 3 stars were, Ford, Hunte, & Miller

On OL was lacking; the only 4 stars were
Donaldson was a 4 star
Reed was a 4 star
Scaife was a 4 star
McLaughlin was a 4 star
Rivers was a 4 star (injured)

The irony is our best OLmen weren’t in this group. Clarke becoming C, and Nelson at LT was our best players along the line.

But all of that is moot, my guy, b/c tangible proof shows we’ve been the most talented team against all of our opponents. There’s a reason I brought up FIU & App St. Would anyone dare argue that FIU or App St is more talented than Miami? Of course not, yet both FIU & App St ran the ball effectively against us in the trenches. It wasn’t just a strength problem, we had a football speed problem as well. Str8 line speed was there, but angle, hips, change of direction, buttered toast my g.

So all of that plays a role; there’s a reason Wisconsin, despite all the 3 stars they recruit along the trenches, they can constantly hang w/ teams that recruit at a higher level. Wisconsin has a stellar S&C program, like legit top notch. Talent is apart of the equation, but I saw poor coaching & a subpar S&C program for yrs.
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Agree with alot of this except Wisconsin. They recruit HIGH level OL....and then still have the ability to shirt those high 4 and 5 star guys.
 
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gogeta4 said:
Agree with alot of this except Wisconsin. They recruit HIGH level OL....and then still have the ability to shirt those high 4 and 5 star guys.
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The reason I threw in Wisconsin is b/c I’ve been enamored at the development of the guys they have been recruiting at OL. Peep this:

Class of ‘16:
2 OL signed: 4* (Top247) / 3* (478th ranked)

Class of ‘17:
3 OL signed: 4* (Top247) / 2-3* (387th/545th ranked)

Class of ‘18:
1 OL signed: 3* (789th ranked)

Class of ‘19:
2 OL signed: 5* (Top247) / 4* (325th ranked)

Class of ‘20:
5 OL signed: 2-4* (Top247) / 3-3* (782nd/857th/954th ranked)

Class of ‘21:
3 OL signed: 1-5* (Top247) / 2-4* (Top247)
*********Best OL recruited class************

Class of ‘22:
2 OL signed: 4* (Top247) / 3* (538th ranked)

So believe it or not, out of 18 OL Wisc has recruited since Richt/Diaz era, 8 were 3* w/ avg ranking of 666th in the nation. The 10 blue chip OL avg rank was 125th in the nation. Overall OL recruiting score avg 396th nationally ranked. The amount of blue chips they’ve gotten now is way different than before, as well. Go look at their history: From 2010-15, out of all the OLmen that came in, only 2 were 4 stars. Every last one of them were 3stars or below & they still dominated the trenches.
 
I think Feeley did as good as he could with limited funding. He made the best of it and we had more good looking bodies last year than we've had in a while. But everything is different now. Now we live in the best timeline where our staff gets everything it wants and there are qualified coaches coming out of the wazoo. Feeley did what he could bulking guys up on Ramen. Feeley's next step is to pair up with a big-time coach at a big-time program... much like Manny should have prior to the over-promotion to HC.
 
Rellyrell said:
The reason I threw in Wisconsin is b/c I’ve been enamored at the development of the guys they have been recruiting at OL. Peep this:

Class of ‘16:
2 OL signed: 4* (Top247) / 3* (478th ranked)

Class of ‘17:
3 OL signed: 4* (Top247) / 2-3* (387th/545th ranked)

Class of ‘18:
1 OL signed: 3* (789th ranked)

Class of ‘19:
2 OL signed: 5* (Top247) / 4* (325th ranked)

Class of ‘20:
5 OL signed: 2-4* (Top247) / 3-3* (782nd/857th/954th ranked)

Class of ‘21:
3 OL signed: 1-5* (Top247) / 2-4* (Top247)
*********Best OL recruited class************

Class of ‘22:
2 OL signed: 4* (Top247) / 3* (538th ranked)

So believe it or not, out of 18 OL Wisc has recruited since Richt/Diaz era, 8 were 3* w/ avg ranking of 666th in the nation. The 10 blue chip OL avg rank was 125th in the nation. Overall OL recruiting score avg 396th nationally ranked. The amount of blue chips they’ve gotten now is way different than before, as well. Go look at their history: From 2010-15, out of all the OLmen that came in, only 2 were 4 stars. Every last one of them were 3stars or below & they still dominated the trenches.
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Its because OL are misranked typically.

Also their recruiting base for that ol is Wisconsin and the Midwest. Guys/Scouting services arent going out there to rank out those guys correctly...also you may have early commitments on some of those with not much CAMP attendance. Its a lil tricky.

They have been doing THE SAME thing for a long time.

I mean just look at our current OL...Zion Nelson a 2 star...has been the best or 1 of the best from the first day he stepped on campus. Meanwhile guys like Scaife,Herbert and company were ranked high because of their work done at camps in front of recruiting services or OFFERS list.
For whatever reason i had Zion Nelson as a steal because he performed well in the SHRINE BOWL or whatever they call it..that is between NC and Sc. I remember clearly thinking he is underrated if he played well there and against NC players..because the state of NC and SC are lowkey TRENCH producers.

OL is difficult to predict,.. an extra year to redshirt is always great for them...and WISCONSIN ALWAYS have the luxury of doing so...they are usually starting upper classmen.

Their current projected LT was a 5 star prospect from class of 2019, and he has been sitting on bench there waiting his turn. He is projected to be backed up by a 5 star.

They cast away a rs sr that likely will be FSU best OL, this year. The 3 stars you speak of are guys from the Midwest with ND and Michigan offers. Its sort of like Denzel Perryman who was a 3 star with FSU, Miami,UF, and USC offers...we all know his ranking wasnt right. lol
 
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gogeta4 said:
Its because OL are misranked typically.

Also their recruiting base for that ol is Wisconsin and the Midwest. Guys/Scouting services arent going out there to rank out those guys correctly...also you may have early commitments on some of those with not much CAMP attendance. Its a lil tricky.

They have been doing THE SAME thing for a long time.

I mean just look at our current OL...Zion Nelson a 2 star...has been the best or 1 of the best from the first day he stepped on campus. Meanwhile guys like Scaife,Herbert and company were ranked high because of their work done at camps in front of recruiting services or OFFERS list.
For whatever reason i had Zion Nelson as a steal because he performed well in the SHRINE BOWL or whatever they call it..that is between NC and Sc. I remember clearly thinking he is underrated if he played well there and against NC players..because the state of NC and SC are lowkey TRENCH producers.

OL is difficult to predict,.. an extra year to redshirt is always great for them...and WISCONSIN ALWAYS have the luxury of doing so...they are usually starting upper classmen.

Their current projected LT was a 5 star prospect from class of 2019, and he has been sitting on bench there waiting his turn. He is projected to be backed up by a 5 star.

They cast away a rs sr that likely will be FSU best OL, this year. The 3 stars you speak of are guys from the Midwest with ND and Michigan offers. Its sort of like Denzel Perryman who was a 3 star with FSU, Miami,UF, and USC offers...we all know his ranking wasnt right. lol
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Well our Midwest recruit in Dykstra sucked mucho cheeks. Lol.

But no, I agree w/ u; they’ve had a system for yrs that’s been passed down, & they know exactly what they r looking for, stars be damned. My post was in gist about recruiting & development; the fact is, none of those guys would be considered blue chip players, but the tools they have, including size, footwork, & length of hands, they coach up & get every ounce out of them.

Their OL scouting is top notch, & I’ve always said Iowa & Wisconsin have some of the best eye for OL talent as opposed to just going off of Nat’l rankings.
 
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Dude said:
I think Feeley did as good as he could with limited funding. He made the best of it and we had more good looking bodies last year than we've had in a while. But everything is different now. Now we live in the best timeline where our staff gets everything it wants and there are qualified coaches coming out of the wazoo. Feeley did what he could bulking guys up on Ramen. Feeley's next step is to pair up with a big-time coach at a big-time program... much like Manny should have prior to the over-promotion to HC.
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I'm also gonna defend Feeley here and say the issue for me is that it was pretty evident Manny was micromanaging the S&C program, which is actually extremely common in the sports world. The S&C coach should have way more autonomy in how they do things, but ultimately they're at the mercy of the head coach, and if the head coach wants you to make the team run 5 miles for punishment (just a hypothetical example) then that's what you do, or else he'll find someone else who will.

Mario seems to be a better CEO and trusts Feld to do his thing. I'm optimistic about it all.
 
The trenches are a grown man's game. To truly be elite along both lines, you need to be in a position where you can shirt a few 'chips per season, and not just the "projects."
 
chipcane said:
Can't explain the pic of Huff muscled up in '20. I've seen him look straight skinny in photos since. Sometimes guys that are all muscle/extremely-low fat look that way in t-shirts. Too, after months of practicing in extreme heat there's probably weight loss, possibly significant for some.
At any rate, with some guys it just takes time to physically mature, AND credit the new program as well. Guys can't just quietly come around after 2-3 years in the program with the microscope the highly touted one's are under in the day we live. Hopefully we get a handful of surprises from guys we've written off too soon.
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"Football weight / muscle" gained by lifting regimens must be maintained BY those regimens. Your body can be TOTALLY changed in a 10-12 week period. I was a power lifter in college ... lightweight 143 pounder but was dead lifting 500, squatting 500 and benching 225+. Also did a lot of running. Very low body fat and a powerful build (most people thought I weighed 175 or so ... 5'9"). Went to OCS (officer candidate school) the summer of my junior year ... at NAS Pensacola. June, July, August in the Florida heat ... no lifting ... A LOT of PT (running obstacle courses, cross country running in sand, PT, climbing ropes etc. I was in outstanding condition but lost most of my lifting muscle. Got back home, went to the gym and the lifters said "man what happened to you?".
 
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